Around the League - 2022 Off Season Edition

[Dekes For Days]

Players and teams have historically gone for the long-term option in UFA for a reason, and there's absolutely zero reason to think that will change with Matthews. It's mutually beneficial.

 

[andora]

Would you give Tavares a raise after this season? Because that's a comp.

A 32 year old player will be on the downside, and all teams know it. Teams won't pay for what he did, they will pay for he is currently doing or will do.

I think the comparison is in age only

And if the dollars are higher but the cap hit % is equal or lower is that a raise in the complete sense within this structure?

 

[kb]

I think the comparison is in age only

And if the dollars are higher but the cap hit % is equal or lower is that a raise in the complete sense within this structure?

The comp is as close as you can realistically get.

I'm just wondering why MacKinnon didn't go for this if it's a great idea? I mean....he could have gone 5 years too. And it's still a flat cap.

Nor has any other player - the max out as his age because 5 or 8 years.....you are on the decline.

 

[andora]

The comp is as close as you can realistically get.

I wonder why MacKinnon didn't go for this if it's a great idea?

I dont know, ask mackinnon

I didnt say it was a great idea, was simply giving some reasoning behind my thought.

Is it a raise if the cap hit % is equal or less but dollars are more within this cap framework?

 

[kb]

I dont know, ask mackinnon

I didnt say it was a great idea, was simply giving some reasoning behind my thought.

Is it a raise if the cap hit % is equal or less but dollars are more within this cap framework?

Well......according to this board, any extra $$$ at all is a raise no matter what the cap is, no matter what year. That's been the argument as to why the MVP and 2 time first team all-star RW are considered vastly overpaid (they aren't), even though they are at the top of their positions. (I agree with you on cap hit % as the measure of salary between players).

While I understand all of what you are saying - in this era, it's doubtful team is paying big money/cap hit for a player's going into his 14th season. Players know this now. Plus Matthews already has a rather significant injury history (Broken leg, shoulder surgery, wrist surgery), so it's not like he's an ironman.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Couple things to take away from that Mac contract.

1) his talk about giving his team a friendly deal a couple seasons ago was obviously BS
2) Matthews will have the highest aav in the league when it's signed. Though it may not end up as a major jump - can see it potentially starting with a 13

 

[Nineteen67]

Matty is no doubt the guy you want to stay but if it looks like he does not want to sign any deal, you can't afford to let him walk like we saw Gaudreau and Ratchuck do this summer.

Tkachuk didnt walk. He did the right thing and told Calgary he wasnt signing there so they arranged a sign and trade.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Mackinnon said he’d take a discount to help the team get a cup. Well, he and they got one. Don’t really blame him to go after the money now. It’s what everyone else does. ESPECIALLY leaf star players.

 

[zeke]

Mackinnon said he’d take a discount to help the team get a cup. Well, he and they got one. Don’t really blame him to go after the money now. It’s what everyone else does. ESPECIALLY leaf star players.

Do his teammates know he's given up on winning any more cups?

 

[ACC1224]

Couple things to take away from that Mac contract.

1) his talk about giving his team a friendly deal a couple seasons ago was obviously BS
2) Matthews will have the highest aav in the league when it's signed. Though it may not end up as a major jump - can see it potentially starting with a 13

I'm sure he meant it at the time. Some of his friends, family, teammates most likely helped him see sense and get what's owed.

 

[Legion34]

Hahahahahaha remember when leafs players needed to learn from mackinnon. Because of a hypothetical discount he said he would take.

Now the highest paid player in the league.

Whoops

Mackinnon said he’d take a discount to help the team get a cup. Well, he and they got one. Don’t really blame him to go after the money now. It’s what everyone else does. ESPECIALLY leaf star players.

lol. I thought he was going to take a discount.

Be psychotically consistent

 

[andora]

Well......according to this board, any extra $$$ at all is a raise no matter what the cap is, no matter what year. That's been the argument as to why the MVP and 2 time first team all-star RW are considered vastly overpaid (they aren't), even though they are at the top of their positions. (I agree with you on cap hit % as the measure of salary between players).

While I understand all of what you are saying - in this era, it's doubtful team is paying big money/cap hit for a player's going into his 14th season. Players know this now. Plus Matthews already has a rather significant injury history (Broken leg, shoulder surgery, wrist surgery), so it's not like he's an ironman.

Ok

 

[justashadowof]

So it turns out that Nathan MacKinnon was just a liar dishing out some cope for his modest second deal. I hope no one in Colorado took a discount as a result of his words. Makar and Landeskog, I'm looking at you.

Do his teammates know he's given up on winning any more cups?

I think I know how they feel.

 

[Fogelhund]

I read somewhere today that PK only wanted to play for two teams this year. Montreal to finish where he started and Toronto to have one final chance at the cup. But there was no interest from either team.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Hahahahahaha remember when leafs players needed to learn from mackinnon. Because of a hypothetical discount he said he would take.

Now the highest paid player in the league.

Whoops



lol. I thought he was going to take a discount.

Be psychotically consistent

Context matters.

Became highest paid player in the league by only going 100K higher than current highest paid player. If Matthews does exact same as mackinnon he becomes a steal at 12.7 because most would give him 13+ or a blank cheque including myself (What I mean here is I would overpay for matthews if that's what it took to get him to sign in the end). So you can still say our players need to learn from mackinnon on their next contracts. I fully support Matthews becoming highest paid in the league but I hope it shouldn't be by million and higher.

You should hope marner especially does the same as Mackinnon (take only what he's worth at the time of signing and nothing more, like mackinnon did when he was only worth 6 mil over long term at the time of signing) because as it stand right now mack after his new deal and rantanen are still cheaper cap hit combine than matthews and marner right now, and they have a stanley cup to go with it too. That differ in expense will only increase after matthews and marner and rantanen next contracts and the differ might be too much if our guys want even more money, like if marner thinks he should get close to matthews money.

 

[hotpaws]

Couple things to take away from that Mac contract.

1) his talk about giving his team a friendly deal a couple seasons ago was obviously BS
2) Matthews will have the highest aav in the league when it's signed. Though it may not end up as a major jump - can see it potentially starting with a 13

why isn't it a team friendly deal ?

if we're to believe JT was offered 13 plus years ago i'm sure they would have been teams willing to offer Mac (who's a much better player) 15m plus as a ufa

 

[CapspaceKiller]

Not surprised mckinnon was full of it. They all are.

 

[LeafEgo]

Bit surprised at some of the reactions - what were people expecting?

If you used Matty's contract as a comparison, factor in term, cap, cup, you're getting about 13.5-14M AAV for Mack. Feels like it was a mutual negotiation and the organization thought make him rightfully the highest paid player in the league but for as cheap as possible given his disposition.

It was a small discount and he signed as soon as he could with no fuss. Seems about what he said he was going to do and pretty impressive given the discount he has been playing at for years.

Good on him.

 

[IPS]

Matthews' next deal is starting at $15M and I would bet my life on it.

Avs got Mackinnon on a steal, good grief.

 

[ToneDog]

Matthews' next deal is starting at $15M and I would bet my life on it.

Avs got Mackinnon on a steal, good grief.

What does Mac get if he lowered the AAV to 5 years ?? Probably in the same neighbourhood as what Matty asked for a would have gotten if Dubas could fit that number in. We'd be lucky if Matty accepts $100K more than Mac after winning a cup.

 

[IPS]

What does Mac get if he lowered the AAV to 5 years ?? Probably in the same neighbourhood as what Matty asked for a would have gotten if Dubas could fit that number in. We'd be lucky if Matty accepts $100K more than Mac after winning a cup.

There's no conceivable way in hell we are getting Matthews under $14M, let alone $13M.

There is 1000% going to be several teams offering him $15M+ on the open market and we're going to have to match that.

Why are people still expecting discounts from these kids. Have they not learned yet?

 

[ToneDog]

There's no conceivable way in hell we are getting Matthews under $14M, let alone $13M.

There is 1000% going to be several teams offering him $15M+ on the open market and we're going to have to match that.

Why are people still expecting discounts from these kids. Have they not learned yet?

He pretty much got that number on an 8 year deal but the Leafs lowered it to a 5 year deal to lower the AAV. Logic definitely says he gets more.

The good thing is any team willing to offer $15m will be challenged to fit that under their cap. The VGK are 0 for 1 after acquiring $10m Eichel. Once Tavares is off the books we can pretty much afford to pay Matty whatever he wants but I would tread carefully.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

There's no conceivable way in hell we are getting Matthews under $14M, let alone $13M.

There is 1000% going to be several teams offering him $15M+ on the open market and we're going to have to match that.

Why are people still expecting discounts from these kids. Have they not learned yet?

You don’t think Mac could have gotten 15 mil on open market?

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Hahahahahaha remember when leafs players needed to learn from mackinnon. Because of a hypothetical discount he said he would take.

Now the highest paid player in the league.

Whoops



lol. I thought he was going to take a discount.

Be psychotically consistent

Well, the rational fans are consistent about the unprecedented dramatic overpayments. Every one of us said players like Towes and Kane won CUPS before getting their paydays. If Matthews leads us to a cup this year or next, I say give him league max x 8 for all I care

Mackinnon said he would take a discount to try and win a cup with this group. And they just did. So, in remaining consistent, he went for the payday. And as other have pointed out, he assuredly could have gotten more on the open market anyways.

 

[Legion34]

Well, the rational fans are consistent about the unprecedented dramatic overpayments. Every one of us said players like Towes and Kane won CUPS before getting their paydays. If Matthews leads us to a cup this year or next, I say give him league max x 8 for all I care

Mackinnon said he would take a discount to try and win a cup with this group. And they just did. So, in remaining consistent, he went for the payday. And as other have pointed out, he assuredly could have gotten more on the open market anyways.

Nope. He said he took a discount before and he will do it again. He never at any point said he would take a cheap deal if they don’t win but will cash in if they win

That’s not true at all. You are making it up.

Regardless. You hated the Tavares contract which was less money less AAV with less term when he was also a 2 time hart finalist top 2 scorer.

You ignored that Tavares actually had 13 million dollar offers and assume mack gets 15 with no proof

If a team offered mack 15? Then. Matthews and Marner were on steals and should be more than 15 right?

Be psychotically consistent.