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Ziggy Stardust said:
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Beniers looks like a Toews clone. I have to admit, after his freshman season I thought “elite 2C” more than potential 1C but he was at another level last season as a sophomore playing a dominant 200 foot game and has seamlessly stepped into the NHL and been star. He has scored in all but one of his NHL games so far and has one of those prime Mike Richards type motors.

Seattle may have their building block centers locked up already after 2 drafts.
 
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Herby said:
Beniers looks like a Toews clone. I have to admit, after his freshman season I thought “elite 2C” more than potential 1C but he was at another level last season as a sophomore playing a dominant 200 foot game and has seamlessly stepped into the NHL and been star. He has scored in all but one of his NHL games so far and has one of those prime Mike Richards type motors.

Seattle may have their building block centers locked up already after 2 drafts.
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Beniers is going to be a stud. If Wright pans out they are set for years to come.
 
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kilowatt said:
McDavid has 701 points in 488 games. He's so good at hockey. Ovechkin didn't even have 650 in his first 500 games. Crosby had 706 and Lemieux had a mind-boggling 971.

...but Gretzky had 1,186 points through his first 500 games. Dude was on a different astral plane. Unreal.
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And lots more clutching and interference back then compared to now.
 
he'll get the raffi torres treatment before long, a fine gets him on the list at least

i'd probably be lying if i said i didn't want a line-crosser like him on the kings, but as long as he's on another team, he's a f***in rat..
 
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KingsFan7824 said:
Muzzin traded for Durzi. Back to back nights with turnovers in the last 30 sec to cost their teams. One a lefty, one a righty.

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Durzi may have started with the turnover , they still had 4 guys back defending and still got scored on. Watching Roy cover the wrong guy allowing Stone wide open, then having the puck go off his stick and in was just comical.:laugh:

With us, it's Thursday, and all but forgotten. In Toronto, the media is in meltdown mode already.
 
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kingsfan28 said:
Durzi may have started with the turnover , they still had 4 guys back defending and still got scored on. Watching Roy cover the wrong guy allowing Stone wide open, then having the puck go off his stick and in was just comical.:laugh:

With us, it's Thursday, and all but forgotten. In Toronto, the media is in meltdown mode already.
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Durzi covered the wrong guy. Danault had the guy going to the net and Durzi still decided to cover the guy going to the net, leaving Stone open.
 
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Ziggy Stardust said:
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How did Guhle play? I was excited abot him as a prospect. Looks like a future stud.

Herby said:
Beniers looks like a Toews clone. I have to admit, after his freshman season I thought “elite 2C” more than potential 1C but he was at another level last season as a sophomore playing a dominant 200 foot game and has seamlessly stepped into the NHL and been star. He has scored in all but one of his NHL games so far and has one of those prime Mike Richards type motors.

Seattle may have their building block centers locked up already after 2 drafts.
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100% with you. It's like the scouting reports for Turcotte and Beniers flip flopped really. Turcotte was supposed to be the Toews/Richards motor, Beniers was supposed to be the low-ceiling safe Kesler guy.

I'm still high on Turc which goes without saying but it's crazy how much more punch Beniers' offensive side has had immediately in the NHL.


ru4reals said:
Beniers is going to be a stud. If Wright pans out they are set for years to come.
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*when Wright pans out

MTL got caught overthinking there and the media got too cute trying to knock down a long-term #1 pick as they do every year.
 
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Chazz Reinhold said:
Durzi covered the wrong guy. Danault had the guy going to the net and Durzi still decided to cover the guy going to the net, leaving Stone open.
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I don't disagree, plenty of blame to go around, but @kingsfan28 specifically mentioned Roy...watch 45 seconds of Roy right there. He may as well not be on the rink :laugh:

That's why I think Durzi gets a fair blame share here but we can't ignore everyone else, that was a huge mental fart by the entire team.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
I don't disagree, plenty of blame to go around, but @kingsfan28 specifically mentioned Roy...watch 45 seconds of Roy right there. He may as well not be on the rink :laugh:

That's why I think Durzi gets a fair blame share here but we can't ignore everyone else, that was a huge mental fart by the entire team.
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Roy was at least on the wing where Stephenson was carrying the puck. Could he have had a better gap on Stephenson? Sure. But Durzi was in the middle with no one immediately next to him, looked to his right as Danault was stepping into Howden driving the net, yet still decided to go cover Howden despite Stone being in the middle with no one on him.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
How did Guhle play? I was excited abot him as a prospect. Looks like a future stud.



100% with you. It's like the scouting reports for Turcotte and Beniers flip flopped really. Turcotte was supposed to be the Toews/Richards motor, Beniers was supposed to be the low-ceiling safe Kesler guy.

I'm still high on Turc which goes without saying but it's crazy how much more punch Beniers' offensive side has had immediately in the NHL.




*when Wright pans out

MTL got caught overthinking there and the media got too cute trying to knock down a long-term #1 pick as they do every year.
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Guhle looked good. I thought the best of their young defenders.

Beniers got the second year in college, it makes a huge amount of difference for offensive ceiling. I'm not saying Beniers wouldn't be a good player, but no way is he this dominant if he was pulled out after freshman year. Turcotte unfortunately was not given that chance and we will never know how much more his offensive ceiling would have grown.

I think time will tell on the whether Montreal made the right pick. My guess is they weren't convinced Wright is a locked in 1C for the future and that they are going to target getting that player in this years (much stronger draft). If they can get Bedard or even a guy like Fantilli you suddenly have a really solid core forwards with Suzuki, Slafkovsky, Caufield and this years pick.
 
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Chazz Reinhold said:
Roy was at least on the wing where Stephenson was carrying the puck. Could he have had a better gap on Stephenson? Sure. But Durzi was in the middle with no one immediately next to him, looked to his right as Danault was stepping into Howden driving the net, yet still decided to go cover Howden despite Stone being in the middle with no one on him.
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I mean ultimately the whole thing is precipitated by Durzi, but as I said plenty of blame to go around and Roy moved a grand total of 10 feet in a minute of play. Moore flew the zone, Arvidsson took himself out of the play being a pouty little bitch after Durzi didn't give him the puck, Roy decided to not play any more hockey after being caught on the rink too long.

My point is only that we're overlooking that the other players were not mentally in the moment either, a bad look for game 1.
 
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Roy was at least on the wing where Stephenson was carrying the puck. Could he have had a better gap on Stephenson? Sure. But Durzi was in the middle with no one immediately next to him, looked to his right as Danault was stepping into Howden driving the net, yet still decided to go cover Howden despite Stone being in the middle with no one on him.
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Right, people don't make me break down this play again like I did earlier for my coworker on another post haha. As soon as the turnover happens Danault takes Howden. Durzi should have taken Stone. He did not, he decided that he should double team Howden. That left Roy to sit in between both Stone and Stephenson. It's a tough decision to decide to just close in on Stone and allow Stephenson to go one-on-one with Quick from the wing. It's the obvious decision in hindsight, but Roy's left to choose between two and so he tries to basically take up space because Durzi has made it a two-on-one and hope that they screw up the pass or that Stephenson shoots a bad angle shot.

Don't get me wrong, Roy was dog s*** all night. Just about every defenseman but Doughty was. But Durzi took the wrong man, especially when Phil is on top of Howden. Phil is a better defender as a center than Durzi is as a defenseman. I trust Phil to wrap up his man
 
cyclones22 said:
Right, people don't make me break down this play again like I did earlier for my coworker on another post haha. As soon as the turnover happens Danault takes Howden. Durzi should have taken Stone. He did not, he decided that he should double team Howden. That left Roy to sit in between both Stone and Stephenson. It's a tough decision to decide to just close in on Stone and allow Stephenson to go one-on-one with Quick from the wing. It's the obvious decision in hindsight, but Roy's left to choose between two and so he tries to basically take up space because Durzi has made it a two-on-one and hope that they screw up the pass or that Stephenson shoots a bad angle shot.

Don't get me wrong, Roy was dog s*** all night. Just about every defenseman but Doughty was. But Durzi took the wrong man, especially when Phil is on top of Howden. Phil is a better defender as a center than Durzi is as a defenseman. I trust Phil to wrap up his man
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I'm not even microfocused on the ending of that play, everyone seems intent on defending Roy to me for some reason. I'm talking about everything leading up to it. He did nothing that entire two minute shift but turn the puck over and get hemmed in the zone and then stand around not being either a passing option or covering anyone. When it comes to the end of the play you make it sound like he made a decision to eat ice for the essentially 2-on-1...I don't think he even did that on purpose, he was just already there doing nothing when the play came to him.

Regardless again I'm not trying to defend durzi and as you point out there was enough dog shit on D all night and at the end especially but I don't like Sean being the lightning rod for the entire night. Big, game impacting play that lost the game in the end, absolutely. But there were still 51 shots against, plenty of odd man breaks, and a lot systematically gone wrong.

I know no one here is doing this but it feels like this haha



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It's the last time I'll comment on this because we are on to the next game. But let me ask people, did Matt Ryan have a good game in the Super Bowl? He actually did if you break down his performance play by play. But you know what people remember? The fact that all they had to do was run the ball and kick a field goal and they win the Super Bowl. But instead he drops back and doesn't throw the ball away gets sacked out of field goal range and they eventually lose the Super Bowl. That's what people remember. Game losing plays at the end of a game.
 
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