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I can't figure out if Carolina is good or not. There is the 20-6-6 record, but then the goal differential that's worse than the 16-14-2 Sabres. That's an insane record for a +14 differential. Apparently, they win a lot of close ones, and when they lose they do it in style, not unlike the Kings.
Second best xGF% in the league (per Moneypuck) with a slightly low shooting percentage. They're controlling the run of play but not scoring as much as they probably should. I wonder if that turns a bit when Pacioretty comes back (if it doesn't before then).
 
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Yeah, because trading Kopitar and Doughty isn't brought up every day. For years, and years, and years. So no, a little hyperbole in this case isn't sycophantic. Just highlighting the kinds of moves made around the league.
There's a wide range between trading Kopitar/Doughty and making room for a prospect who is outperforming below-replacement players.

Especially since for most of the years, the people advocating trading Kopitar and Doughty have received a lot of pushback until recently, when they're shadows of their former self.

So hyperbolizing an extreme case when the majority have mostly discussed moving a player like Walker seems disingenuous. Or you just wanted to pick a random fight. Or you think this reinforces your point that minor trades are most common this time of year. Nobody's disputed that. Bigger trades usually happen at the deadline. That doesn't mean:
- Bigger trades are impossible
- Trading a meh player like Walker is "too big to trade" this time of year
- Trading is Blake's only recourse of action
- Blake has zero takers

I'll be honest, it's frustrating discussing these issues with you because in my experience, you have a tendency to shoot down any reasonable if unpleasant action. For example, burying Walker and Petersen's gross contracts in the AHL while they are underperforming. They're viable. And yes, GMs don't WANT to do that. But you don't discuss the viability in that move even if Blake is unlikely to do it. You take the hard stance of GMs don't like to do this so they won't. And they won't do this either. And they won't do this other thing you suggested.

We all have that one friend who is going through a lot in life. Lost his job. Crappy car. Crappy relationships. Then you try to help that friend get a job. "But I don't have a car." So you help your friend look for a car. "But I don't have any money, because I'm unemployed." Then someone suggests he finds a sugar mama. "But I don't have a car or a job, so nobody will go out with me." It's this perpetual cycle of "I know these things need to be fixed but none of the suggestions work."

When the Kings are struggling, and even though you seem to agree that changes seem to be made organizationally, you sound like the friend making the above excuses for him.

So, jumping up at the slightest trade to use as affirmation for excuse-making highlights to me (and maybe others) your agenda and unwillingness to have an honest discussion, and that you would prefer to troll while chest thumping over every minor trade. Basically becoming the people who annoy you when they jump on every trade and say "Rob Blake asleep at the wheel!"

Blake is in this situation because six years of his management with the Kings have brought him to this moment. Whether or not you see this situation as good or bad is up to you. You can choose to believes he planned it this way, he's flying by the seat of his pants, or somewhere in between. But if you DO believe that changes need to be made, then I think you'd have a more fruitful discussion if you cared more about the "how" than the "why not."

Or, who knows, maybe you feel the only thing Blake needs to do is wait so he can ship off a player closer to the trade deadline, and hopefully Blake never makes a sequence of decisions like this so he's in this same situation again. If you feel that's the best choice for Blake, I'd grudgingly accept that, even if I think Blake should be moving something sooner.
 
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EDM gave Skinner 3 x 2.6 with about the same resume as Peterseive when he signed
 
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Second best xGF% in the league (per Moneypuck) with a slightly low shooting percentage. They're controlling the run of play but not scoring as much as they probably should. I wonder if that turns a bit when Pacioretty comes back (if it doesn't before then).

Yeah it's just weird. I was really impressed with them with how they played against the Kings, I just expected their differential to be better. It's really out of place.

The xGF numbers are slightly lower on NST, but yeah they are right at the top of the league. The Kings are top-10, so maybe they are similar in the respect as the Kings have a weird differential for a winning team as well.

The Kings are also in the top half of the league in xGA, man the goaltending has been bad. We get down on this team but all stats point to them being better than their record.
 
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The Kings are also in the top half of the league in xGA, man the goaltending has been bad. We get down on this team but all stats point to them being better than their record.
Petersen has cost us 6 points, we'd be tied with VGK for 1st right now.
 
I can't figure out if Carolina is good or not. There is the 20-6-6 record, but then the goal differential that's worse than the 16-14-2 Sabres. That's an insane record for a +14 differential. Apparently, they win a lot of close ones, and when they lose they do it in style, not unlike the Kings.

I go by the record in regulation. They're 15-6-11 in the first 60min of a game. They're 3-6 in OT, and 2-0 in the shootout. They don't lose much during actual legit play, but come OT they kinda suck. Which is why I don't count OT/SO in regards to how a team is doing. It's too random. The Ducks are 4-1 in OT, yet the Ducks are also terrible at the same time.

You’re a prolific gatekeeper.

I guess. Over the last 8+ years, since the winning stopped, we've all talked a lot about trades. I suppose I'm a wet blanket. Trades get proposed, and I ask well why would X, Y, or Z do the deal. I'm looking for the path from A to Z for the trade, instead of discussing the hypothetical trade itself.

There's a wide range between trading Kopitar/Doughty and making room for a prospect who is outperforming below-replacement players.

Especially since for most of the years, the people advocating trading Kopitar and Doughty have received a lot of pushback until recently, when they're shadows of their former self.

So hyperbolizing an extreme case when the majority have mostly discussed moving a player like Walker seems disingenuous. Or you just wanted to pick a random fight. Or you think this reinforces your point that minor trades are most common this time of year. Nobody's disputed that. Bigger trades usually happen at the deadline. That doesn't mean:
- Bigger trades are impossible
- Trading a meh player like Walker is "too big to trade" this time of year
- Trading is Blake's only recourse of action
- Blake has zero takers

I'll be honest, it's frustrating discussing these issues with you because in my experience, you have a tendency to shoot down any reasonable if unpleasant action. For example, burying Walker and Petersen's gross contracts in the AHL while they are underperforming. They're viable. And yes, GMs don't WANT to do that. But you don't discuss the viability in that move even if Blake is unlikely to do it. You take the hard stance of GMs don't like to do this so they won't. And they won't do this either. And they won't do this other thing you suggested.

We all have that one friend who is going through a lot in life. Lost his job. Crappy car. Crappy relationships. Then you try to help that friend get a job. "But I don't have a car." So you help your friend look for a car. "But I don't have any money, because I'm unemployed." Then someone suggests he finds a sugar mama. "But I don't have a car or a job, so nobody will go out with me." It's this perpetual cycle of "I know these things need to be fixed but none of the suggestions work."

When the Kings are struggling, and even though you seem to agree that changes seem to be made organizationally, you sound like the friend making the above excuses for him.

So, jumping up at the slightest trade to use as affirmation for excuse-making highlights to me (and maybe others) your agenda and unwillingness to have an honest discussion, and that you would prefer to troll while chest thumping over every minor trade. Basically becoming the people who annoy you when they jump on every trade and say "Rob Blake asleep at the wheel!"

Blake is in this situation because six years of his management with the Kings have brought him to this moment. Whether or not you see this situation as good or bad is up to you. You can choose to believes he planned it this way, he's flying by the seat of his pants, or somewhere in between. But if you DO believe that changes need to be made, then I think you'd have a more fruitful discussion if you cared more about the "how" than the "why not."

Or, who knows, maybe you feel the only thing Blake needs to do is wait so he can ship off a player closer to the trade deadline, and hopefully Blake never makes a sequence of decisions like this so he's in this same situation again. If you feel that's the best choice for Blake, I'd grudgingly accept that, even if I think Blake should be moving something sooner.

But I do care about the how. That's what my stance on Walker and Petersen going.to Ontario is all about. If 1 way contracts in the AHL are on the rare side, that's a how is it going to happen situation. Should Petersen have been in Ontario sooner? Of course, but I get why he wasn't. I get why Walker isn't there yet, or hasn't been dealt fir a 7th rd pick. I'm more interested in why people think another team wants Walker, and his contract, when we all think he sucks, instead of imagining the trade that gets him out if here.

The first thing I look at when talking about player movement are the roadblocks in place. Structurally, and from an individual team perspective. Anything can happen. A player with a NMC can still be traded. A big contract can still be buried in the AHL. But if the roadblocks are significant enough, I'm trying to figure out the reason this or that move is talked about as a solution.

As I've said before, I don't care about Blake. If he was fired today, I could see the reason for it, but that won't change the roadblocks in place. Is the roster not ideally constructed? Yeah, probably, but when looking at the offseason trades, there weren't many Sean Walker's traded. We also don't know if Bkake didn't want to move him to open up a spot. Blake could easily be in over his head. Give me some evidence that Walker was or was not discussed in trades, and I can give a better take than, well, look what else happened around the league.

However, as long as Blake is here, I'm willing to give whatever his idea is a shot, because other than not watching, what's the other option as a fan? I can't make TM play Kopitar less(which i would, and figured that was the point of Danault), so I'll watch Kopitar play his 20min a night, and see where the chips fall. If the Kings miss the playoffs as a result, and Blake and TM are both gone, ok. On to the next duo.
 
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I think they go hand in hand. Goalies should be able to make some key saves to help the D, but the D should be giving up good scoring chances.
Yeah, they all feed off each other, hard to place blame in exactly one place, and it's certainly stupid to say "we'd have this many more points if not for this one player."
Like the Pittsburgh game, they dominated, Cal let in a softy, then the entire team completely collapsed. That's not entirely on Cal for the way the team responded. If every win is a team win then every loss is a team loss.
 
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I think they go hand in hand. Goalies should be able to make some key saves to help the D, but the D should be giving up good scoring chances.

And in the Kings case, those "D" problems also have to include the issues your team has to expect by icing almost entirely offensive wingers who botch their assignments, take unnecessary risks in the neutral zone and really struggle with winning battles along the wall and getting loose pucks out of the zone.

But yeah, Cal cost the team 6 points... that's kiddie table thinking.
 
Yeah it's just weird. I was really impressed with them with how they played against the Kings, I just expected their differential to be better. It's really out of place.

The xGF numbers are slightly lower on NST, but yeah they are right at the top of the league. The Kings are top-10, so maybe they are similar in the respect as the Kings have a weird differential for a winning team as well.

The Kings are also in the top half of the league in xGA, man the goaltending has been bad. We get down on this team but all stats point to them being better than their record.

The problem is the xGF% stuff vs. actual results goes back to last year, as well. It's like how the team shooting % was low for the entire 2010s--at some point, even though there's a discrepancy in the stats, that's just who you are, especially if there's no change.

Kings might be underperforming vs. expected but the 'why' is what we discuss here damn near every day!
 
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ARI beats TOR, 6-4 last night?! I'm sure TOR must of had a bunch of key injuries...
And they came from behind twice in the game. Four 3rd period goals.

Coyotes are now 6-1-1 at home in December. With wins over Kings, Avs, Bruins and Maple Leafs.

Chychrun is averaging a point per game and is +11.

Going into this season, I thought they would rally around playing in that small arena. And I think that's what's happened. Mullet is a tough place to play for opponents.
 
And they came from behind twice in the game. Four 3rd period goals.

Coyotes are now 6-1-1 at home in December. With wins over Kings, Avs, Bruins and Maple Leafs.

Chychrun is averaging a point per game and is +11.

Going into this season, I thought they would rally around playing in that small arena. And I think that's what's happened. Mullet is a tough place to play for opponents.

Interesting that Chychrun is PPG - his price tag keeps going up... but you know scoring is up in the league when Zach Hyman is > PPG... could use that as a counter argument during negotiations.
 
Tager the rager 3+1 / OT winner tonite ... How do u explode age 25? I need an explanation

 
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