Around the League - 2022-23 season thread part I

[devilsblood]

In my opinion it doesn't matter, if he joined a team with a retired number and put it in his contract he wanted that number and strong armed the team into bringing it out of retirement, absolutely. But he didn't. He joined a team, his number was fine and then one night they said, here now where this colored jersey with a different logo, and he said, "alright."

If he knew and took the time to go to someone and say "hey listen, out of respect for...." and got a different jersey number just for that night, it would have been a cool thing. But I'm not bothered in the slightest that a hockey player got thrown yet another different style jersey and was told that's what they were wearing that night, threw it on and didn't give it another though.

I don't even lay it on Hamilton. He may not have know it at all.

But someone should have known that number was retired.

Could merely be a lack of awareness all around.

 

[Slew Footed by Holik]

They're opening up space for Blackwood

 

[MadDevil]

I don't even lay it on Hamilton. He may not have know it at all.

But someone should have known that number was retired.

Could merely be a lack of awareness all around.

More likely they wanted to sell jerseys with the same number he wore regularly for the
Canes and didn't think some jackass announcer was going to be butthurt because a guy who once played for the Bruins was "slighted" in his eyes.

 

[devilsblood]

More likely they wanted to sell jerseys with the same number he wore regularly for the
Canes and didn't think some jackass announcer was going to be butthurt because a guy who once played for the Bruins was "slighted" in his eyes.

The beginning of your post seemed like you were about to side with the "jackass announcer". Then came the quick pivot.

But it is a slight imo. A faux pas for sure.

 

[Blackjack]

Aside from the dig at Hamilton at the end, is Edwards wrong here?

"Pieface, or Pie, was one of the greatest guys you'd ever want to meet," Edwards said "Every time you met him, you went away feeling better and usually chuckling to yourself. What a wonderful man he was. Hamilton was traded from Calgary to Carolina about two weeks after McKenzie died last June, and they gave him No. 19. And other players have worn it between the time that Hartford had moved to Carolina. But a lot of New Englanders who were hardcore John McKenzie fans, and a few New Englanders who were dear friends of the man, take great umbrage that even for a day or two, because this Carolina team will wear these sweaters in Boston later this season, would have a number that is retired, which used to be a sacred thing, worn by another player, and a much lesser one at that. It shows the disconnect between the Carolina marketing department and hockey history. I doubt we'll ever see anyone wear No. 4 on the ice for the Boston Bruins again. [The Hurricanes] didn't unretire Ron Francis' number, they didn't unretire Gordie Howe's number, they didn't unretire Glen Wesley's number."

So basically the opposite of you, Jack. An announcer so insufferable that fans of opposing teams, lacking access to their own team's broadcast feed, almost invariably mute you. You will not be remembered fondly by anyone. In the unlikely event you have any legacy at all, it will be youtube clips passed around by fans laughing at your inane bombastic style.

To use the memory of a beloved man... a man that, by Jack's own account would have handled this situation with grace and humor, to hide behind HIM and take a gratuitous dig at a player; that's so f***ing low. Hamilton is ten times the man that Edwards is.

Say NJ was to move and on retro night 30 years from now Quebec City was to wear the 1995 Dev's jersey and some guy rolled out in #4. Would folks here not be upset by that?

John McKenzie played 189 games for the Whalers. Edwards was using his memory to shit on a player that he was mad at for leaving his precious Bruins, and a market that doesn't merit his snobbish New England regard. He's a piece of shit, he embodies the worst stereotypes of New Englanders. Let's not waste a single moment defending anything he says.

 

[TheUnseenHand]

They're opening up space for Blackwood

Hopefully.

 

[Guttersniped]

"Pieface, or Pie, was one of the greatest guys you'd ever want to meet," Edwards said "Every time you met him, you went away feeling better and usually chuckling to yourself. What a wonderful man he was. Hamilton was traded from Calgary to Carolina about two weeks after McKenzie died last June, and they gave him No. 19. And other players have worn it between the time that Hartford had moved to Carolina. But a lot of New Englanders who were hardcore John McKenzie fans, and a few New Englanders who were dear friends of the man, take great umbrage that even for a day or two, because this Carolina team will wear these sweaters in Boston later this season, would have a number that is retired, which used to be a sacred thing, worn by another player, and a much lesser one at that. It shows the disconnect between the Carolina marketing department and hockey history. I doubt we'll ever see anyone wear No. 4 on the ice for the Boston Bruins again. [The Hurricanes] didn't unretire Ron Francis' number, they didn't unretire Gordie Howe's number, they didn't unretire Glen Wesley's number."

So basically the opposite of you, Jack. An announcer so insufferable that fans of opposing teams, lacking access to their own team's broadcast feed, almost invariably mute you. You will not be remembered fondly by anyone. In the unlikely event you have any legacy at all, it will be youtube clips passed around by fans laughing at your inane bombastic style.

To use the memory of a beloved man... a man that, by Jack's own account would have handled this situation with grace and humor, to hide behind HIM and take a gratuitous dig at a player; that's so f***ing low. Hamilton is ten times the man that Edwards is.



John McKenzie played 189 games for the Whalers. Edwards was using his memory to shit on a player that he was mad at for leaving his precious Bruins, and a market that doesn't merit his snobbish New England regard. He's a piece of shit, he embodies the worst stereotypes of New Englanders. Let's not waste a single moment defending anything he says.

This basically.

I mean he compares the move to the Bruins giving a current player a #4 jersey to wear even though Bobby Orr is super famous, basically only played for the Bruins who are the actual team who retired his jersey number, and he’s also not even dead. So it’s actually not the same at all in any way, but congrats to the Bruins for being a super classy org Jack.

I don’t “hate” Edwards because I never have to listen to him but my heart swells with pained empathy when out-of-market folks here who mention they are stuck with the Boston only broadcast of BOS vs NJD game because Edwards is an impossibly insufferable sanctimonious windbag.

Every time I’ve heard a clip of him taking some sort of stand it’s bad: he’s wrong or off in some way, it’s a mountain out of a molehill for no reason whatsoever, it takes homerism to unheard-of new heights, the logics of the argument are extremely torturous, etc.

But it’s his sanctimonious air of superiority, where he views the world as “us” vs “them” and he needs to rant about how the “them” part did something grossly wrong yet again.

I’m watching f***ing hockey to be entertained, I don’t need a judgy asshole tsk tsking everyone but his team and acceptable people all the time.

If I met someone who was an avowed fan of Jack Edwards part of me would doubt if I could get along them lol. The other part of me knows that we’re stuck with the local tv announcers our home teams have and that might be the Stockholm Syndrome talking.

There isn’t another sports announcer who remotely invokes the same reaction from me either.

Edwards seems to ape Bob Costas’ delivery but Costas always came across as nerdy and earnest to me, very try hard and “please think I’m smart”. I was always pretty neutral to him though that… slow… delivery… can…. seem to melt time itself. Spit it out guys we aren’t getting any younger. (I guess we can blame Howard Cosell? I don’t know sportscaster cadence history that well I guess, but I got sidetracked here.)

 

[Guttersniped]

This is just an example of Edwards’ plain ole homerism but it’s still funny to me.

 

[NJDevs26]

Nothing quite like Jack Edwards is sanctimonious lecture to no one in particular/ angry screed mode.

LOL nine f***ing guys have worn 19 for the Hurricanes...and McKenzie didn't even play in the NHL fwiw, he played with the Whalers when they were still a WHA team.

 

[Ripshot 43]

This is just an example of Edwards’ plain ole homerism but it’s still funny to me.

What a vicious butt end. No place in the game for that. Actually so much so, that it didn’t even exist on this play

 

[OmNomNom]

the funny thing is the Bruins indirectly pay Edwards.

they may be good, but they've f***ed up twice this year w the Mitch Miller fiasco, and now this. I'll bet you Jack Edwards sticks around, and he probably gives some half-assed apology next time

 

[Guttersniped]

I dabbled in the main board thread on Edwards, because that’s where I’m at in life apparently thanks to insomnia, and, man, for some reason the Bruins fanbase always seems… dumber.

It just does. You’d think it would be the opposite since Boston is a city teeming with colleges, but nope. More than their fair share of dopes.

 

[MadDevil]

As much as I poke fun at our announcing crew I am grateful we don't have dipshits like Edwards or Tyson Nash to deal with on a regular basis. Or just annoying guys like the Ducks announcers or Rimer in Columbus who sounds like a 90 year old calling games. I'm trying to think of anybody else that annoys me. Luckily I usually have the choice to listen to our guys so I dont often listen to other crews. Although I do kind of have a sick want to hear those annoying crews when we beat them.

 

[Bleedred]

As much as I poke fun at our announcing crew I am grateful we don't have dipshits like Edwards or Tyson Nash to deal with on a regular basis. Or just annoying guys like the Ducks announcers or Rimer in Columbus who sounds like a 90 year old calling games. I'm trying to think of anybody else that annoys me. Luckily I usually have the choice to listen to our guys so I dont often listen to other crews. Although I do kind of have a sick want to hear those annoying crews when we beat them.

Am I the only one that thinks Rimer sounds like Martin Sheen?

 

[glenwo2]

Am I the only one that thinks Rimer sounds like Martin Sheen?

Is Rimer "Winning"?

 

[sabremike]

LOL nine f***ing guys have worn 19 for the Hurricanes...and McKenzie didn't even play in the NHL fwiw, he played with the Whalers when they were still a WHA team.

As a Whalers fan I can tell you retiring that number came to be viewed as a mistake (and it was).

As for Edwards: Ranting about him would be like ranting about a ridiculously over the top one eyed babyface pro wrestling announcer (think Gorilla Monsoon) because that's essentially what he is. Note in his rant he didn't note that along with the rags nobody in the sport was more overjoyed over the murder of the Whalers than "Mr Jacobs" and the brooooooooinz.

 

[AfroThunder396]

It's not even the fat comments that get me about Edwards, it's him sounding like a doddering old drunk man with Alzheimer's that takes 50 seconds to deliver a "fat guy eat pizza" joke.

We've always know he's a blowhard and a jackass, but now he's senile as well.

 

[Clam Jensen]

It's not even the fat comments that get me about Edwards, it's him sounding like a doddering old drunk man with Alzheimer's that takes 50 seconds to deliver a "fat guy eat pizza" joke.

We've always know he's a blowhard and a jackass, but now he's senile as well.

The set up for his “jokes” is longer than his hair.

 

[glenwo2]

They're opening up space for Blackwood

Space for what?

Space in the Cannon so he can be launched into the sun?

 

[JrFischer54]

Aside from the dig at Hamilton at the end, is Edwards wrong here?

Say NJ was to move and on retro night 30 years from now Quebec City was to wear the 1995 Dev's jersey and some guy rolled out in #4. Would folks here not be upset by that?

i think them wearing whalers and avs were nord jerseys is absolutely trash and shouldn't be allowed. that being said edwards does have a point (which he went overboard with) i think the players should've wore different numbers if the numbers were retired. honestly without him mentioning it i would've assumed that they checked and did just that. like a cane fan is going to know whos number is retired by the whalers unless they have them hanging in the rafters in carolina? maybe they do?


someone else pointed out howe and #9 and i agree if it was a more unique number im sure the league retires it. i'm actually surprised they haven't with how much they built him up and marketed him in the past.

so Vezina finalists if the season ended today?

Probably Ullmark, Sorokin, and Vanecek right?

bet him on the books he was 70-1 last week 60-1 monday and 50-1 now

 

[Mr Bojanglez]

It just does. You’d think it would be the opposite since Boston is a city teeming with colleges, but nope. More than their fair share of dopes.

That's cause the locals don't go to college, and the Boston colleges are filled with out of state fans of other teams

 

[MasterofGrond]

Like 20% of my hs class went to college in boston, and then most of them never left

we're not sending our best, folks

 

[GameSeven]

so Vezina finalists if the season ended today?

Probably Ullmark, Sorokin, and Vanecek right?

I think Hellebuyck would probably round out the top 3, with Vanecek knocking on the door?

Admittedly, it's stats based, but 3 SO and his SV% and GSAA puts him squarely in the top with Ullmark and Sorokin.

 

[Bleedred]

They're opening up space for Blackwood

Good

There's a whole lot of room out there for him.

 

[MasterofGrond]

Aside from the dig at Hamilton at the end, is Edwards wrong here?

Say NJ was to move and on retro night 30 years from now Quebec City was to wear the 1995 Dev's jersey and some guy rolled out in #4. Would folks here not be upset by that?

No that wouldn’t really bother me. It’s a single night throwback. The honor comes from the decision, the ceremony, and the continued existence of the team honoring it. If the devils disappear or move and choose not to keep that number retired I don’t expect a non-devils organization to honor them in perpetuity simply because we did.