Around the League - 2022-23 season thread part I

[NjDevsRR]

A lot of delusional Rags fans on that Trouba main board’s thread. They literally think Trouba didn’t leave his feet against Nico and AA after I provided them with this lmao

 

[Its Always Sundstrom]

A lot of delusional Rags fans on that Trouba main board’s thread. They literally think Trouba didn’t leave his feet against Nico and AA after I provided them with this lmao






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[Guttersniped]

Also, a lot of these debates get bogged down when in meaningless semantics. His elbow hits people in the head and concusses them. The NHL can be harsher about head shots if they want to, it’s that simple.

It should be illegal because the league can’t have guys do that, we know enough about CTE that players should AVOID launching themselves into someone’s head.

To me the league is playing chicken with lawsuits. It’s not even like a ton of players are doing it. Trouba is gaming the system in my eyes. In the end it’s just a bunch of fans not wanting to lose their precious borderline hits.

 

[NjDevsRR]

Also, a lot of these debates get bogged down when in meaningless semantics. His elbow hits people in the head and concusses them. The NHL can be harsher about head shots if they want to, it’s that simple.

It should be illegal because the league can’t have guys do that, we know enough about CTE that players should AVOID launching themselves into someone’s head.

To me the league is playing chicken with lawsuits. It’s not even like a ton of players are doing it. Trouba is gaming the system in my eyes. In the end it’s just a bunch of fans not wanting to lose their precious borderline hits.

The fact they dont call players who have one foot off the ice before the hit is absurd. Its putting the entire load on the player getting hit.

 

[MasterofGrond]

If a dude hits a guy in the head, sometimes it’s an accident

When a dude hits somebody in the head with an elbow once a week he’s a dirty f***ing rat trying to injure people on purpose

No place for it in the game. It’s 20 f***ing 22

 

[MartyOwns]

 

[Lou is God]

If a dude hits a guy in the head, sometimes it’s an accident

When a dude hits somebody in the head with an elbow once a week he’s a dirty f***ing rat trying to injure people on purpose

No place for it in the game. It’s 20 f***ing 22

I think you're going to start seeing the young stars and players of this game start taking a stand against dirty play in NHL, hard legal hits are one thing, but dirty players continually getting a slap on the wrist, the game is evolving away from that.

 

[Camille the Eel]

I think you're going to start seeing the young stars and players of this game start taking a stand against dirty play in NHL, hard legal hits are one thing, but dirty players continually getting a slap on the wrist, the game is evolving away from that.

I hope so but I will believe it when I see the league actually issue some formal guidance to the officials and players and start to enforce the rules differently. It will take a huge culture change that’s long long overdue. The game has become so much faster on these small surfaces that something has to give.

 

[Rhodes 81]

I think you're going to start seeing the young stars and players of this game start taking a stand against dirty play in NHL, hard legal hits are one thing, but dirty players continually getting a slap on the wrist, the game is evolving away from that.

Honestly, how many players under 25 even go looking for open ice hits these days? Sure most D will line a guy up every 10 games or so, but it's mostly contact along the boards now. Everyone realized 10 years ago that an open-ice hit is just as likely to take yourself out of the play as the puck carrier. That attempt on Nico could have easily been a goal if he had been able to maintain better control of the puck.

I think the dirty guys stick out more these days because they're the only ones really doing it. Everyone else is trying to play a good positional game and not leave game equity on the table by getting walked around on a miss.

 

[JrFischer54]

Also, a lot of these debates get bogged down when in meaningless semantics. His elbow hits people in the head and concusses them. The NHL can be harsher about head shots if they want to, it’s that simple.

It should be illegal because the league can’t have guys do that, we know enough about CTE that players should AVOID launching themselves into someone’s head.

To me the league is playing chicken with lawsuits. It’s not even like a ton of players are doing it. Trouba is gaming the system in my eyes. In the end it’s just a bunch of fans not wanting to lose their precious borderline hits.

Again until the PLAYERS themselves call out their teammates for these cheap shots then the league can only do so much. Sure suspend away but it’s not going to stop it until the leaders in locker rooms call teammates out for their dirty hits.

 

[Guttersniped]

Honestly, how many players under 25 even go looking for open ice hits these days? Sure most D will line a guy up every 10 games or so, but it's mostly contact along the boards now. Everyone realized 10 years ago that an open-ice hit is just as likely to take yourself out of the play as the puck carrier. That attempt on Nico could have easily been a goal if he had been able to maintain better control of the puck.

I think the dirty guys stick out more these days because they're the only ones really doing it. Everyone else is trying to play a good positional game and not leave game equity on the table by getting walked around on a miss.

If other leagues do more to prevent guys from being concussed it becomes a bit silly to say players should “keep their head-up” for head hunting.

It’s not the easiest line to draw but so don’t know how Trouba hasn’t been suspended since 2016-17. You think taking out Crosby in the Playoffs would put more of a focus on him.

I don’t even hate the guy or anything, it’s just the defense, and even fawning over, him and his elbow is ridiculous. Lindgren is actually an example of an old school defensive defenseman “warrior” on that team.

He’s playing injured and desperate to “inspire his team” so he’s really going to be running around even more. A suspension would get him to calm the f*** down. That’s what those punishments are for, deterrents for future behavior.

 

[Camille the Eel]

Again until the PLAYERS themselves call out their teammates for these cheap shots then the league can only do so much. Sure suspend away but it’s not going to stop it until the leaders in locker rooms call teammates out for their dirty hits.

If the suspension for attempting a Trouba leave your feet headshot was 25 games, or season long, or whatever, it would stop. I’m not advocating a specific amount. But at some point the player doesn’t want to risk it. What they do now is window dressing and PR and a wink and a nod towards eliminating this stuff. The violence and fighting are popular and part of the identity of the game and I think the league wants as much of it as it can get away with. But in my view it cheapens a great sport that doesn’t need to be like pro wrestling or roller derby - if roller derby still even exists these days.

 

[Guttersniped]

If the suspension for attempting a Trouba leave your feet headshot was 25 games, or season long, or whatever, it would stop. I’m not advocating a specific amount. But at some point the player doesn’t want to risk it. What they do now is window dressing and PR and a wink and a nod towards eliminating this stuff. The violence and fighting are popular and part of the identity of the game and I think the league wants as much of it as it can get away with. But in my view it cheapens a great sport that doesn’t need to be like pro wrestling or roller derby - if roller derby still even exists these days.

They aren’t suspending him that many games right off the bat but another suspension means that future suspensions could cost him quite a few games.

I think one of Trouba’s hits since his 2 game suspension in 2016-17 should have gotten him another unpaid vacation and it would have put the fear of god in him a little.

The post-Shanaban DoPS is pretty spineless for sure though. It’s definitely frustrating.

 

[ChicksDigTheTrap]

 

[JrFischer54]

If the suspension for attempting a Trouba leave your feet headshot was 25 games, or season long, or whatever, it would stop. I’m not advocating a specific amount. But at some point the player doesn’t want to risk it. What they do now is window dressing and PR and a wink and a nod towards eliminating this stuff. The violence and fighting are popular and part of the identity of the game and I think the league wants as much of it as it can get away with. But in my view it cheapens a great sport that doesn’t need to be like pro wrestling or roller derby - if roller derby still even exists these days.

Why do you even need the league to step in if the players just man the f up and stop their teammates from being dirty. Serious question? I mean players unintentionally will leave their feet for hits so they should all get 25 games with no Ill intent? Put the blame where this is with players willingly allowing their union brothers hurting each other. It’s like not even just hockey but all sports. I get you have the league to enforce rules and stuff happens now and then but when a player continually is a dirty player why don’t reporters ask uh you guys cool with this guy in your room doing this? Want to tell him to knock it off?

 

[TrufleShufle]

Why do you even need the league to step in if the players just man the f up and stop their teammates from being dirty. Serious question? I mean players unintentionally will leave their feet for hits so they should all get 25 games with no Ill intent? Put the blame where this is with players willingly allowing their union brothers hurting each other. It’s like not even just hockey but all sports. I get you have the league to enforce rules and stuff happens now and then but when a player continually is a dirty player why don’t reporters ask uh you guys cool with this guy in your room doing this? Want to tell him to knock it off?

That's one of those things that sound good on paper, but just look how black and white calls and dirty plays are judged by fans just here on forums. Jump back between team threads right after something borderline happens. Very few posters from either group will be disagreeing with each other and thinking their team is in the right, or at least not wrong.

Expand that to guys who spend almost every day together and go to metaphorical battle together 3 times a week..... It would be a rare occurrence if these guys called each other out.

 

[FascinationStreet]

was that from being pushed into the boards???

 

[JrFischer54]

That's one of those things that sound good on paper, but just look how black and white calls and dirty plays are judged by fans just here on forums. Jump back between team threads right after something borderline happens. Very few posters from either group will be disagreeing with each other and thinking their team is in the right, or at least not wrong.

Expand that to guys who spend almost every day together and go to metaphorical battle together 3 times a week..... It would be a rare occurrence if these guys called each other out.

If they want to get serious about cte and head shots and all that then they are the only ones that can really have an impact on limiting it. Having the league hold them responsible is a cop out and someone to blame

 

[ChicksDigTheTrap]

was that from being pushed into the boards???

They showed a picture of him feeling his ribs on the bench bench before he left. Everyone keeps showing him getting pushed into the boards so that seems to be the best guess where he was hurt. Shockingly Bednar had no update after the game.

 

[ChicksDigTheTrap]

Masisiak just posted this. Terry has had an excellent season and a quarter, A late bloomer and a good reason not to give up on young players too early.

 

[Goptor]

I went to check out how the tanking teams were doing and there sits Anaheim and Chicago at the bottom of the standings. Each of them has won 1 game in their last 10.

Both teams have gotten their 1 win against the Rangers.

 

[Blackjack]

If they want to get serious about cte and head shots and all that then they are the only ones that can really have an impact on limiting it. Having the league hold them responsible is a cop out and someone to blame

There is zero precedence for this. Players calling out their own teammates is not how things change. They change by the enactment or enforcing of rules. It's that simple. The NHL is 100% to blame for this.

 

[Triumph]

One of the minor disappointing things about the crazy great start is all the weirdos disappearing from here, like the guy from Canada who kept insisting that Arturri Lekhonen is a 4th liner and all the pie charts are wrong, meanwhile we're a year later and he's playing 21 minutes a game for the defending Cup champions

 

[MartyOwns]

who saw this coming from matt murray? great pickup by the leafs

 

[Saugus]

One of the minor disappointing things about the crazy great start is all the weirdos disappearing from here, like the guy from Canada who kept insisting that Arturri Lekhonen is a 4th liner and all the pie charts are wrong, meanwhile we're a year later and he's playing 21 minutes a game for the defending Cup champions

I mean, that's mostly due to the crazy number of injuries the Avs have piled up, but I take your point. Definitely some posters MIA during the hot start.