It’s only different to me iis the setting. Marchand displays sociopathic actions on the ice as does Wilson. Sociopathy is sociopathy. The fact that the league chooses to allow it is on them.
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Inclined to wonder if now's an opportune time to enquire about Quinn but equally inclined to wonder if we truly need him given our fully refurbed blueline and what's in the pipeline ...
They're hurting bad and must be considering all contingencies.
As a wild hypothetical, do they blink if we dangle Nemec + Holtz?
What price a box score that reads Hughes, from Hughes and Hughes.
They're hurting bad and must be considering all contingencies.
As a wild hypothetical, do they blink if we dangle Nemec + Holtz?
What price a box score that reads Hughes, from Hughes and Hughes.
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Calgary pulled the exact same thing against the Isles they did with us - up 2 and give up two goals in a minute to tie, lose in OT.
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Agreed. Marchand is a great player, but steps over the line time and time. Pretty sure a few players are going to struggle with CTE cause of him, which will affect them for the rest of their lives. Just because he acts a certain way off the ice doesn't mean we shouldn't hold him accountable for what he does on the ice. He's reckless and doesn't give a shit about anyone playing against him.
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Love the brothers connection idea but it’s just not a fit in many ways. Team/Cap construction being just the beginning. Holtz and Nemec being added to the team over the next few years will help extend our teams window. With the way our D is currently constructed, adding almost 8 million a year for Quinn would be unnecessary and I think we would be better off spending the cap elsewhere.Inclined to wonder if now's an opportune time to enquire about Quinn but equally inclined to wonder if we truly need him given our fully refurbed blueline and what's in the pipeline ...
They're hurting bad and must be considering all contingencies.
As a wild hypothetical, do they blink if we dangle Nemec + Holtz?
What price a box score that reads Hughes, from Hughes and Hughes.
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I just don't know how we make it work, One of Siegs, Hamilton, and Nemec would have to go.Inclined to wonder if now's an opportune time to enquire about Quinn but equally inclined to wonder if we truly need him given our fully refurbed blueline and what's in the pipeline ...
They're hurting bad and must be considering all contingencies.
As a wild hypothetical, do they blink if we dangle Nemec + Holtz?
What price a box score that reads Hughes, from Hughes and Hughes.
If its Hamilton or Nemec I guess the Devils would have to be okay with playing Luke on the Right side. Siegs would have to go if You want both of them to play on their natural side.
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Give up the dream. He's literally the last person on that team they would trade.Inclined to wonder if now's an opportune time to enquire about Quinn but equally inclined to wonder if we truly need him given our fully refurbed blueline and what's in the pipeline ...
They're hurting bad and must be considering all contingencies.
As a wild hypothetical, do they blink if we dangle Nemec + Holtz?
What price a box score that reads Hughes, from Hughes and Hughes.
Boeser, Garland and maybe a Horvat rental. That's what would make sense for them to be listening on.
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Demko . But they have said he is part of their long term plans so can’t see him going anywhere
I'm wondering how long it will take before Habs fans stop worshipping their GM Kent Hughes. Took us about two years to finally realise Fitz was human.
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If we ever bring in Quinn, I think it will be UFA. He'll still be a good skater and with Dougie done or gone, it will make sense to bring him in.
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its not even the league its really the players in the dressing room that seem to be fine with it.
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unless something major changes imo they have hughes for another 4 years after this season. i think it would take something massive for him to pass up on a chance to play with both brothers at their peak. who knows whats going to happen but being realistic now is the time when they would get the most value for hughes the longer they wait the less they will get. what they would get for him now as opposed to 2 years from now will be pretty significant.
Literally no one is saying he shouldn't be held accountable for his on-ice actions. I certainly think he should have faced lengthier suspensions in his career.
But there is a considerable difference between making questionable hits in the contact of a physical sport, and physically and emotionally abusing a disabled child for years. These aren't comparable situations at all. It's ridiculous to conflate them.
The league could start suspending guys for dirty play for more than a game or two. Suspend repeat offenders for a much longer time and you'd see that sort of thing drop off dramatically. Take away half a season and maybe also the first round of the playoffs for a guy like Wilson and/or Marchand they'd clean up their act. It's not hard to avoid the cheap shots. Let them fight and hit guys legally all they want. They don't really do much of either that is noteworthy. My guess is the league doesn't really care and the NHLPA doesn't either. You'd think the NHLPA would care since the victims are also members but they don't ever take a public stance that I've seen. I'm sure the players in the room want to be good teammates and look the other way. I doubt any NJ players have said squat to McLeod about anything for example. But I am surprised nobody has really just absolutely gone after Marchand or Wilson. Like really go after them. The entire team. Every single shift. Maybe lose the game but beat the crap out of them. Multiple instigators. Multiple cheap shots in the run of play. Bring up your minor leaguers to do it. Just show those guys being on the receiving end isn't fun. If a few teams did that they'd learn, but nobody ever does. Not once. No concerted effort and so those guys just do their thing.
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Luke Schenn sucks.
I don't know much about Burroughs, but I'm pretty sure he isn't any good.
I don't think either would be an improvement over Smith.
Smith is supposed to be in the press box I'm guessing. The slow start and booing spooked Ruff and the hot streak has him on cruise control but my guess a more normal start and some typical ups and downs that allow for some lineup changes would have seen Bahl start to play some more games. I don't doubt that using him in those 11-7 lineups was to give him some sort of shot but now Ruff is thinking if his job is at stake he gets to make all the lineup calls and he's going with vets as much as possible which is typical of any coach in his position. Until Bahl can easily outplay Smith he's sticking with the vet. My guess is Fitz would rather see Bahl get some more games but he can't dictate the lineup and then blame Ruff if they don't win.
You'd be mistaken.
Schenn has been quietly very solid for Vancouver. His defensive impacts are actually...really good. He's been their best RD for the past season and start of this season (although that is not saying much considering their blueline). -6% opposition scoring chance reduction per HockeyViz's Isolated Impact, and Schenn is in the top 30% of EH's RAPM xG defensive impact over the past 3 seasons.
Burroughs has also been pretty solid to start the season and has both-sides versatility. Extremely low cap hit is a plus.
They're both upgrades on Smith.
More so, but they'll be doing some cap dancing if/when Bernier and Palat are healthy.
No need to think about Wedgewood and how will he survive after his Hockey stint.
Professional pirate sounds like a great gig after retirement.
Professional pirate sounds like a great gig after retirement.
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The first thing they need to do is get rid of that idiot general manager Pierre Dorion.
I will never take him seriously and he's been quite suspect since being promoted when Bryan Murray stepped down and eventually passed away within a year.
Ever since saying how a handful of the vets came up and shook his hand for the Burrows trade and one even tried to hug him, that's just beyond ridiculous.
I wonder what players do to the GM when they actually acquire GOOD players that actually help your team and not 2017 Alexander Burrows? Who is one of the worst players you could acquire. Maybe I don't wanna find out......?
He’s made smart draft picks and they’ve done a good job signing their young players. They just suffer from Shero disease which makes you blind to needing a competent NHL defenseThe first thing they need to do is get rid of that idiot general manager Pierre Dorion.
I will never take him seriously and he's been quite suspect since being promoted when Bryan Murray stepped down and eventually passed away within a year.
Ever since saying how a handful of the vets came up and shook his hand for the Burrows trade and one even tried to hug him, that's just beyond ridiculous.
I wonder what players do to the GM when they actually acquire GOOD players that actually help your team and not 2017 Alexander Burrows? Maybe I don't wanna find out......?
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