Around the League - 2022-23 Season Edition

[IPS]

Why does it always happen to us? Serious question...why? Do you not think there could be something about the way we play that allows us to get goalied EVERY SINGLE YEAR since Dubas took over?

Because he'll never admit that his idol Dubas constructed a blatantly flawed team. Game 3 with the season on the line and the core shows up the way they do and you still have these people making excuses for this team. This team makes life so easy for opposing goalies yet these folks are just so baffled why we keep getting "goalie'd"

 

[Nineteen67]

Cassidy has been a great fit for Vegas, but I'm sure inheriting a team of players that will go through the wall to get the job done must be nice. Hard to win when players are afraid of their own shadows.

The misfits learned how to play under Gallant and Cassidy got them to buy in again. iIt also doesn’t hurt to add a #1 D that’s already won a Cup. Winning in the playoffs is very hard, as it should be.

 

[BallardEra]

Bobrovsky rocking a 5.55 GAA and .826 SV% after the first two games against Vegas.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

Through the first 2 games of their series against Florida...

Leafs vs. Florida: 131 shot attempts, 73 shots, 75 scoring chances, 43 scoring chance shots, 36 high danger chances, 25 high danger shots, 2 rush attempts, 9 rebound attempts,... 9.92 xGF generated, 28.73 ft average shot distance, 10.75 ft average goal distance
Vegas vs Florida: 115 shot attempts, 61 shots, 61 scoring chances, 35 scoring chance shots, 34 high danger chances, 21 high danger shots, 2 rush attempts, 6 rebound attempts,... 6.87 xGF generated, 31.69 ft average shot distance, 22.64 ft average goal distance

So Leafs, through the first 2 games of their series, got more shot attempts, shots, scoring chances, scoring chance shots, high danger chances, high danger shots, rebound attempts, expected goals, and both shot pucks and scored goals from closer to the net.
Vegas wasn't better in anything - only tying with the Leafs in rush attempts.

And this despite Vegas getting 4 more PPs than us, and being pretty healthy.

The difference?

Florida goaltending through first 2 games vs. Leafs: +5.92 GSAx
Florida goaltending through first 2 games vs. Vegas: -4.13 GSAx

It's pretty amazing how much some people have their perception of team play skewed by goaltending.

At some point, it's time to put the calculators away.

Rask, Holtby, Korpisalo, Price, Vasi, and now Bob.

They even get to play the villain in Ayre's upcoming Disney movie due to this lame excuse.

Getting outgoalied by the entire league and their mothers is not a reasonable defense. Teams are lifting Stanley cups while we are lifting calculators above our heads passing them from one analyst to the next.

 

[Superstar]

The misfits learned how to play under Gallant and Cassidy got them to buy in again. iIt also doesn’t hurt to add a #1 D that’s already won a Cup. Winning in the playoffs is very hard, as it should be.

The real misfits were Dubas and the Leaf roster he's responsible for...core 4 with a bunch of merry-go-round misfits, from bottom 6, d to goalie...the funhouse mirror and revolving door it seems every year...it's odd how many folks think Dubas is the genius (Toronto media suck-ups especially) when McPhee built the VGKs to 2 Cup Finals in 6 years, and 2 games away from winning it all.

 

[MilkofthePoppy]

Wait they are making a Disney movie about Ayres?

 

[Trapper]

Wait they are making a Disney movie about Ayres?

Jason Statham will play Ayers and Mickey,Minnie and Donald will play the Leafs core.

 

[Dreakmur]

The real misfits were Dubas and the Leaf roster he's responsible for...core 4 with a bunch of merry-go-round misfits, from bottom 6, d to goalie...the funhouse mirror and revolving door it seems every year...it's odd how many folks think Dubas is the genius (Toronto media suck-ups especially) when McPhee built the VGKs to 2 Cup Finals in 6 years, and 2 games away from winning it all.

Looking at what remains after his departure, this roster reveals the effect Dubas had. Almost all our best assets were brought in prior to Dubas, and almost all of our problems were brought in after.

Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Rielly, Liljegren, and Woll all preceded Dubas’ time at GM.

Dubas acquired Tavares, Jarnkrok, Lafferty, Knies, Brodie, McCabe, Giordano, and Samsonov.

 

[Stephen]

Because he'll never admit that his idol Dubas constructed a blatantly flawed team. Game 3 with the season on the line and the core shows up the way they do and you still have these people making excuses for this team. This team makes life so easy for opposing goalies yet these folks are just so baffled why we keep getting "goalie'd"

I think you could distill the entire Leafs playoffs dysfunction in this Keefe era into two games basically.

Facing elimination with 3 minutes to go in Game 4 vs Columbus they managed to come back from 3-0 to win in OT on pure offensive explosion after no showing for the first 56 minutes.



And Game 5 where they didn't come back.

 

[IPS]

I think you could distill the entire Leafs playoffs dysfunction in this Keefe era into two games basically.

Facing elimination with 3 minutes to go in Game 4 vs Columbus they managed to come back from 3-0 to win in OT on pure offensive explosion after no showing for the first 56 minutes.



And Game 5 where they didn't come back.

I remember those games quite well. Game 5 is when I started to seriously question Dubas and the core.

 

[Gallagbi]

At some point, it's time to put the calculators away.

Rask, Holtby, Korpisalo, Price, Vasi, and now Bob.

They even get to play the villain in Ayre's upcoming Disney movie due to this lame excuse.

Getting outgoalied by the entire league and their mothers is not a reasonable defense. Teams are lifting Stanley cups while we are lifting calculators above our heads passing them from one analyst to the next.

I dont think many believe Rask, Holtby or even Vasi "goalie'd us". They may have outplayed our starter, but it wasnt an incredible performance by any of them

 

[Nineteen67]

The real misfits were Dubas and the Leaf roster he's responsible for...core 4 with a bunch of merry-go-round misfits, from bottom 6, d to goalie...the funhouse mirror and revolving door it seems every year...it's odd how many folks think Dubas is the genius (Toronto media suck-ups especially) when McPhee built the VGKs to 2 Cup Finals in 6 years, and 2 games away from winning it all.

Usually misfits are odd balls with a few flaws that step up, pull together, and do the unexpected. The Leafs are a case of bad management and a core that’s not talented enough.

 

[fahad203]

Jason Statham will play Ayers and Mickey,Minnie and Donald will play the Leafs core.

Donald Duck actually a very fiesty character. In many episodes he has shown to get into fights even with bigger opponents

I have yet to see Leafs core fight the cold

 

[ACC1224]

Jason Statham will play Ayers and Mickey,Minnie and Donald will play the Leafs core.

Special guest appearance by Goofy in the role of Justin Holl.

 

[3blizzard4]

Special guest appearance by Goofy in the role of Justin Holl.

 

[Guinnes66]

Why does it always happen to us? Serious question...why? Do you not think there could be something about the way we play that allows us to get goalied EVERY SINGLE YEAR since Dubas took over?

We dont get goalied every year. I think the common theme you could point to though is that we have not gotten good enough goaltending of our own and have yet to have one of our goalies go on a hot run of their own.

The way i see it is there's two categories of teams in the playoffs:

1) Elite teams like tampa that have elite goalie, elite offense, elite defence - they are able to overcome all kinds of things in the playoffs (like bad puck luck, bad calls going against them, etc) to win more often then not

2) Parity teams - the rest of the teams are simply good to very good but in a parity league there is not much to separate these teams. These teams are so close that things like goalie performance, officiating, and luck play a huge factor here. In order for these teams to go all the way to the finals they almost always require their goalie to go on an insane hot streak. This is why every year its a different team going on these runs. It relies on a hot streak that is difficult to replicate.

So when it comes to the leafs, unfortuntely we are a very good team but i would not consider us in the elite category as we have not had a goalie that is able to reliably perform at a high level in the playoffs and even our offense and defense are close to elite but fall a bit short. So like the rest of the teams we are going to need our goalie to get hot and going to need to rely on some favourable luck and penalty calls to advance all the way. Or we need to find a way to get into the elite category of teams by improving our offense, defence, and goaltending so that we dont have to rely on these other factors that are hard to control.

Sure you can nitpick lots of other reasons as to why we have not had much playoff success but usually those same reasons for failure can be applied to other teams that do get success. The difference boils down to luck and goalie's more than people want to admit. As one of the posters above said all you can do sometimes is just give your team the most number of kicks at the can to break through.

 

[BallardEra]

Donald Duck actually a very fiesty character. In many episodes he has shown to get into fights even with bigger opponents

I have yet to see Leafs core fight the cold

Would love to see the ghost of Harold Ballard played by Scrooge McDuck.

 

[Trapper]

Would love to see the ghost of Harold Ballard played by Scrooge McDuck.

He will appear as Uncle Scrooge McPuckless and the movie will be called Space Jelly because there is no jam here.

 

[horner]

Jonny hockey has to deal with Babs to funny

 

[IPS]

I dont think many velieve Rask, Holtby or even Vasi "goalie'd us". They may have outplayed our starter, but it wasnt an incredible performance by any of them

But you'd think even with us getting "goalie'd" as much as we do we'd maybe sink a bit more cap into goaltending since it seems to effective?

Dubas has actually allocated the least cap to goaltending out of basically every contender over the last 4-5 years. He instead opted to invest most of it in the core-4, who the same crowd makes excuses for every year when they underperform in the playoffs via getting "goalie'd"

Can't see the forest for the trees.

 

[Fogelhund]

But you'd think even with us getting "goalie'd" as much as we do we'd maybe sink a bit more cap into goaltending since it seems to effective?

Dubas has actually allocated the least cap to goaltending out of basically every contender over the last 4-5 years. He instead opted to invest most of it in the core-4, who the same crowd makes excuses for every year when they underperform in the playoffs via getting "goalie'd"

Can't see the forest for the trees.

Adin Hill is going to be the Stanley Cup winning goalie. $2.175 mil cap hit.

I'm not sure spending big money on goalies is all that effective at all.

 

[Guinnes66]

But you'd think even with us getting "goalie'd" as much as we do we'd maybe sink a bit more cap into goaltending since it seems to effective?

Dubas has actually allocated the least cap to goaltending out of basically every contender over the last 4-5 years. He instead opted to invest most of it in the core-4, who the same crowd makes excuses for every year when they underperform in the playoffs via getting "goalie'd"

Can't see the forest for the trees.

There are only a few elite goalies that seem to be able to constantly and reliably perform at a high end. The rest are a crapshoot. Just need a solid goalie that has top end skill that is capable of going on a long run. Dont think its wise to invest too much in non-elite goalies.

 

[kb]

Welcome to the least watch SCF in the history of NHL

how much cap implications do you guys think we've had so far with teh shit ass playoffs

As far as I know, playoff revenue is not shared, so if that's the case there will be zero implications on the cap.

 

[uncleben]

Adin Hill is going to be the Stanley Cup winning goalie. $2.175 mil cap hit.

I'm not sure spending big money on goalies is all that effective at all.

Goalies are such voodoo.
There's no secret recipe to them, I stand by that.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Adin Hill is going to be the Stanley Cup winning goalie. $2.175 mil cap hit.

I'm not sure spending big money on goalies is all that effective at all.

Only one goalie above 10%: Vasilevsky

A couple in the 8-9 range, but some also came after the cap rose a little bit.

At this point, it is pretty much 50/50. Don't go in with a guy who is not that good and hope he works out, if possible, but spending big money on a good goalie is usually less effective than paying it on a forward (especially) and then a defenseman.