Around the League - 2022-23 Season Edition

[Field of Dreams]

its not analytics. they put a lineup together with absolutely no defense........
Its shocking how they think a lineup with ceci, barrie, kulak, featuring in there top 4/5 guys will work . ...
news flash it wont ,

I was being a little more tongue and cheek than serious. I totally agree though, their defence is the largest flaw. I don't know how they can address it either. They aren't deep enough up front to move a forward to address defence.

 

[2 Slick]

I harped on Kyle Dubas for staying status quo, but looking at how dreadful Jack Campbell is doing in Edmonton, I'm glad he didn't overpay to keep him.

Thankfully Campbell was dog water for 80% of last season and fell off a cliff December onward, else he may still be here.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

I harped on Kyle Dubas for staying status quo, but looking at how dreadful Jack Campbell is doing in Edmonton, I'm glad he didn't overpay to keep him.

Thankfully Campbell was dog water for 80% of last season and fell off a cliff December onward, else he may still be here.

Remember the early season media hysteria about whether or not the Leafs could afford to keep Campbell? What a difference a year makes.

 

[BertCorbeau]

I'm not a big fan of the Murray trade but I preferred that to signing Campbell to that contract. Credit to Dubas for avoiding that.

 

[Field of Dreams]

I'm not a big fan of the Murray trade but I preferred that to signing Campbell to that contract. Credit to Dubas for avoiding that.

So many of our managers of the past would have signed him to that egregious contract out of fear for fan backlash.

Dubas got raked over the coals all summer, but he absolutely made the right call.

 

[notDatsyuk]

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Roughly half of those goals were scored from outside the "high danger area", which is part of why I'm not overly fond of that, or related, stats.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Roughly half of those goals were scored from outside the "high danger area", which is part of why I'm not overly fond of that, or related, stats.

I think that’s just a good example of applying context in any stat. Stats are rules of average to develop expectations. Ovi is an outlier because he is one of the best shooters in the game. So he’s able to score more goals from the non danger areas than anyone. It shouldn’t dismiss the value of shooting from a determined “high danger area” when looking at a more average player

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

Campbell ain’t good, but on a few of those goals the Oilers defense was nonexistent. Svech 3rd goal he had all day, untouched to put the puck where ever he wanted…..he did hand them the PAT

Campbell lost them the game in the 2nd period. Oilers just cut the lead in half and then he allowed an awful goal to Svech. The dagger was the buzzer beater by Staal. Those goals can't go in.

They seem to be having some shitty luck. Markstrom looks like he's still broken from the Edmonton series but otherwise they've been largely outplaying and outshooting most of their opponents but haven't been getting the puck luck or goaltending has been blowing it for them. I think they'll turn it around

Eh I'm not sure about that. Maybe they deserved a better fate vs SEA and NYI on this losing streak, but they haven't been great overall.

One thing to note about the Flames is everything went right for them last year. A ton of players had career years and they had zero impactful injuries. This year, Tanev, Kylington, Stone, and now Huberdeau have missed time, and a guy like Mangiapane doesn't have horseshoes up his ass.

 

[Peasy]

I told Edmonton fans the way they describe koskinen was the way leaf fans described Campbell. It they didn't wanna listen and thought there was no way in hell that could be true...

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Eichel absolutely dunked on Buffalo in his first game back.

That had a Leafy feel to it.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Some pretty ugly goaltending out there.

People shit on Dubas for his Value Village goaltending strategy, but take a look at the top paid goalies....so many of them are underperforming their contracts:

 

[Warden of the North]

Feel bad for Jack in Edmonton.

Having Ceci and Barrie in your top 4 is a recipe for disaster.

 

[Stephen]

All Edmonton has to do now is trade for Muzzin and Holl.

 

[stickty111]

I'm not a big fan of the Murray trade but I preferred that to signing Campbell to that contract. Credit to Dubas for avoiding that.

Both are bad and still don't get the Murray trade, but at least Murray is only 2 years.

 

[ACC1224]

So many of our managers of the past would have signed him to that egregious contract out of fear for fan backlash.

Dubas got raked over the coals all summer, but he absolutely made the right call.

He did?

 

[Field of Dreams]

He did?

Yes, he did.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Some pretty ugly goaltending out there.
People shit on Dubas for his Value Village goaltending strategy, but take a look at the top paid goalies....so many of them are underperforming their contracts:

Yep. There are 24 goalies with cap hits greater than 4m, and only 6 of them have a positive GSAx this season so far.

 

[Jojalu]

Now Isles fall to the Coyotes after a string of comeback wins. Not sure what to think of this season. Unexpected

Coyotes 6-6-1. How?

 

[ULF_55]

ohhh he had help

I think almost everyone who's ever played hockey could have scored that.

Campbell was just laying there and no one was close to doing anything to stop it.

That's sad, but sad to the point it was comical. Everyone except one person drop their joysticks and watched.

 

[ULF_55]

I think that’s just a good example of applying context in any stat. Stats are rules of average to develop expectations. Ovi is an outlier because he is one of the best shooters in the game. So he’s able to score more goals from the non danger areas than anyone. It shouldn’t dismiss the value of shooting from a determined “high danger area” when looking at a more average player

Yeah, I really have not devoted any time to the stats.
They must include a confounding fact do they not?
Shooter A <> Shooter B

 

[Stephen]

He did?

I feel like letting Campbell go was take it or leave, happy to let him walk but status quo would have been an acceptable solution, but the real heat was the Murray trade since it was an even longer Hail Mary than Campbell was originally.

 

[ACC1224]

Yes, he did.

I must have missed it. By whom?

 

[Dekes For Days]

I think that’s just a good example of applying context in any stat. Stats are rules of average to develop expectations. Ovi is an outlier because he is one of the best shooters in the game. So he’s able to score more goals from the non danger areas than anyone. It shouldn’t dismiss the value of shooting from a determined “high danger area” when looking at a more average player

It should also be noted that even aside from it being Ovechkin, and even aside from it being a PP scenario, it's also only showing goals. It's not showing how many attempts it took to score those goals from those areas.

It's not that shots from high danger areas are the only goals that go in. It's that shots from high danger areas go in at a greater rate, and nothing about that image disputes that.

 

[ACC1224]

I feel like letting Campbell go was take it or leave, happy to let him walk but status quo would have been an acceptable solution, but the real heat was the Murray trade since it was an even longer Hail Mary than Campbell was originally.

He deserved it for Murray but I don't recall anyone caring that he let Campbell walk at that price.

 

[ToneDog]

I feel like letting Campbell go was take it or leave, happy to let him walk but status quo would have been an acceptable solution, but the real heat was the Murray trade since it was an even longer Hail Mary than Campbell was originally.

Dubas dodged a bullet by letting Soup walk but he may have walked in front of a bullet by trading for Murray and not get enough of a sweetener to boot. It could work out but if he goes down soon after returning, it won't be a good look.

As much as some hate the dino Lou, the Isles beat Calgary and NYR on back to back nights with Sorokin and Varly. Kyle wants to win the SC with Murray, Sammy, Woll, Kally and Petruzelli. Can you tell which GM can't get out of round #1??