Around the League - 2022-23 Season Edition

[Warden of the North]

Either their GM is an idiot or their ownership is meddling for change without thinking about the bigger picture.

I know Alvin is the GM but Rutherford is pretty clearly calling the shots there, and I don't think he's that dumb or would feel any pressure from Lou.

I think it's ownership.

 

[Menzinger]

Lou will be banking that Bo be able to maintain his current 21% sh% on the offensively muted Isles (7% higher than his career average).

He will face little competition for the puck among their limited forward group, but that also means he wont have much help outside of Barzal.

 

[Gabriel426]

I really wonder would the reaction still be the same if Bo went to another team like Nashville or some place instead of Lou and Islanders.

I understand Islanders should have just tank not bc of where they are in the current season-3pts back of a WC spot, but rather their team (aging players) is going nowhere and tanking this year make sense esp if they can get Bedard. But what they gave up to get Bo is really not bad at all. Beauviller is a roster spot. Raty, a good prospect but he is playing in the AHL instead of NHL, he could not make an offence starving team like the Islanders, and I will leave it as that. Then there is the 1st. Which could be no better than 13th this year. Even Nucks fans I know didn't buy into the crap that Alvin said about Bo got them THREE 1st rounders.

Lou will be banking that Bo be able to maintain his current 21% sh% on the offensively muted Isles (7% higher than his career average).

He will face little competition for the puck among their limited forward group, but that also means he wont have much help outside of Barzal.

Bo's been cherry picking this season and his goals will come down. Pretty sure he wills till finish the season with 40goals or more esp since he will most likely be the trigger man on the PP now.

 

[BertCorbeau]

I actually think in a vacuum the Isles did well to get a legit top 6 centre rental at the deadline. But circumstantially where the Isles are, it’s what makes it a very risky move just to get into the playoffs.

 

[Nineteen67]

I actually think in a vacuum the Isles did well to get a legit top 6 centre rental at the deadline. But circumstantially where the Isles are, it’s what makes it a very risky move just to get into the playoffs.

If they get a first round matchup with Carolina they could very well win that series.

 

[Mess]

I actually think in a vacuum the Isles did well to get a legit top 6 centre rental at the deadline. But circumstantially where the Isles are, it’s what makes it a very risky move just to get into the playoffs.

Because its a month before the trade deadline it gives them plenty of time to get a new extension done if they want and that no longer makes them Horvat a rental but a long-term investment at only age 27.

Also this helps Isles in their pursuit of a playoff spot by his addition, but there is also nothing stopping the Isles from trading him again at the trade deadline March 3rd, if NY is not out of the playoff race or if then haven't come to terms on a new deal.

There is potential here to get even more in return for Horvat at the TD then the NYI's surrendered. Every one knows what they paid so their ask will likely be equal if not greater.

This could be a win for them.

 

[Stephen]

Lou will be banking that Bo be able to maintain his current 21% sh% on the offensively muted Isles (7% higher than his career average).

He will face little competition for the puck among their limited forward group, but that also means he wont have much help outside of Barzal.

I'm expecting Horvat's offense to dry up. He's never been this productive before and the Islanders are not an offense friendly team.

 

[Stephen]

I actually think in a vacuum the Isles did well to get a legit top 6 centre rental at the deadline. But circumstantially where the Isles are, it’s what makes it a very risky move just to get into the playoffs.

I think it's a bad trade for both teams. Bad for the Islanders as it's not a fit for purpose deal where they stand. For the Canucks, they're rebuilding and dealt their first big trade chip in a package where the biggest piece coming back is a UFA after next year and is only 2 years younger than Horvat. They basically downgraded on Horvat, got a mid first rounder and Raty.

 

[Nineteen67]

Great comeback by the Canes.

 

[Stephen]

I know Alvin is the GM but Rutherford is pretty clearly calling the shots there, and I don't think he's that dumb or would feel any pressure from Lou.

I think it's ownership.

I've been following Rutherford since the Hartford days - I think he's terrible - and this is classic Rutherford.

Rutherford is a classic 80s-90s trader who is willing to consistently lose a bit of value on lateral deals but keeps things moving along until something gains traction. No foresight, no planning. Just follow the Pronger-Shanahan-Primeau-Brind'Amour trade tree and it's like a downgrade on downgrade on downgrade until something sticks.

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

What a comeback by the Canes. Not sure if I would blame Andersen on any of the goals, but they could've used a save in the first two periods

 

[BallardEra]

I've been following Rutherford since the Hartford days - I think he's terrible - and this is classic Rutherford.

Rutherford is a classic 80s-90s trader who is willing to consistently lose a bit of value on lateral deals but keeps things moving along until something gains traction. No foresight, no planning. Just follow the Pronger-Shanahan-Primeau-Brind'Amour trade tree and it's like a downgrade on downgrade on downgrade until something sticks.

The dude is 73. Just retire already. I believe in people being happy and enjoying what they do but let's get serious.

This guy should have been put out to pasture ages ago.

 

[Gallagbi]

What a comeback by the Canes. Not sure if I would blame Andersen on any of the goals, but they could've used a save in the first two periods

I didnt love the Kempe goal, felt like he was sleeping and could have played it

 

[BertCorbeau]

I think it's a bad trade for both teams. Bad for the Islanders as it's not a fit for purpose deal where they stand. For the Canucks, they're rebuilding and dealt their first big trade chip in a package where the biggest piece coming back is a UFA after next year and is only 2 years younger than Horvat. They basically downgraded on Horvat, got a mid first rounder and Raty.

When I say in a vacuum I mean in pure asset value I think the Isles won .. but that doesn't count for where they stand as you said

 

[Stephen]

When I say in a vacuum I mean in pure asset value I think the Isles won .. but that doesn't count for where they stand as you said

Also, if he walks as a UFA, even if the Isles got decent value it becomes a completely pointless trade.

 

[Stephen]

The dude is 73. Just retire already. I believe in people being happy and enjoying what they do but let's get serious.

This guy should have been put out to pasture ages ago.

Well, he was 73 when he was a member of the Leafs. He's 80 now...

 

[Gallagbi]

I think it's a bad trade for both teams. Bad for the Islanders as it's not a fit for purpose deal where they stand. For the Canucks, they're rebuilding and dealt their first big trade chip in a package where the biggest piece coming back is a UFA after next year and is only 2 years younger than Horvat. They basically downgraded on Horvat, got a mid first rounder and Raty.

A mid first is likely a piece they couldnt get in any other move. I think thats the big one for them

 

[PromisedLand]

I know someone around here would like to "blame the fans"

 

[Stephen]

A mid first is likely a piece they couldnt get in any other move. I think thats the big one for them

The Isles first would be more valuable than what they could expect from a typical contender, true. But the return on personnel is not that impressive. Unless they go and flip Beauvillier for more stuff at a later date.

On the other hand, Horvat is an inflated asset at the moment.

 

[Gabriel426]

Also, if he walks as a UFA, even if the Isles got decent value it becomes a completely pointless trade.

I think that depends if the Islanders makes the playoffs or not.
It is clear their goal is the make the playoffs this season.

 

[Gallagbi]

The Isles first would be more valuable than what they could expect from a typical contender, true. But the return on personnel is not that impressive. Unless they go and flip Beauvillier for more stuff at a later date.

On the other hand, Horvat is an inflated asset at the moment.

I dont see any contender giving up a good current asset, so Beau doesnt move the needle either way for me. Raty isnt a "special" prospect, but i dont think anyone is giving one up for Horvat either. At the end of the day its a pretty typical return with a better than expected pick

 

[Nineteen67]

What a comeback by the Canes. Not sure if I would blame Andersen on any of the goals, but they could've used a save in the first two periods

Two or three in row where they’ve played terrible for long stretches and then came back. They need a break.

Great team, but isAndersen, Raanta and Kochetkov good enough to get them to the Cup Final? Wouldn't be if they had to play TB,Tor, and Bos. to get there, but maybe coming out of tge Metro.

 

[ULF_55]

The Isles first would be more valuable than what they could expect from a typical contender, true. But the return on personnel is not that impressive. Unless they go and flip Beauvillier for more stuff at a later date.

On the other hand, Horvat is an inflated asset at the moment.

Horvat had 31 last year, and is top 50 for GPG since the 2015-2016 season for players who have played over 300 games, but yeah his career high is 31. Which he had last year and has so far this year.

Funny thing he has been in the playoffs twice (once as a kid) and then in 2019-2020, in 17 games scored 10 goals. Be nice to have someone get hot in the playoffs ...

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

Two or three in row where they’ve played terrible for long stretches and then came back. They need a break.

Great team, but isAndersen, Raanta and Kochetkov good enough to get them to the Cup Final? Wouldn't be if they had to play TB,Tor, and Bos. to get there, but maybe coming out of tge Metro.

Certainly not ideal, but they can get by given the way they play. Kochetkov was pretty good before he got sent down and I'm sure he'll be up again when Andersen inevitably gets injured.

Losing Pacioretty was a huge blow, though. They definitely need to add a scoring winger (Meier) at the deadline

 

[Mess]

Horvat had 31 last year, and is top 50 for GPG since the 2015-2016 season for players who have played over 300 games, but yeah his career high is 31. Which he had last year and has so far this year.

Funny thing he has been in the playoffs twice (once as a kid) and then in 2019-2020, in 17 games scored 10 goals. Be nice to have someone get hot in the playoffs ...

Bo Horvat playoff goal scoring to Maple Leafs comparison.

Horvat 10 goals in 17 games.
vs
Nylander 10 goals in last 19 playoff games.
Matthews 7 goals in last 19 playoff games.
Tavares 7 goals in last 20 playoff games.
Marner 2 goals in last 19 playoff games.