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Only 2 teams to beat them during this stretch is us and the Bruins
Flyers have become a wagon lol. Destined to ruin their chance at Bedard
BertCorbeau
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Yikes that’s basically the rest of the season . Might as well have him shut it down and focus on getting healthy for a hard off season of training
Who knew that simply not wearing a piece of clothing means you're COMPLETELY AGAINST the LGBT community and was such a 'hate crime'? Doesn't matter if you support them in having equal rights with everyone else and it doesn't matter if you're tolerant and support living and let living with LGBT and anyone else in society, somehow by simply not wearing a jersey means all that doesn't matter and now you're seen as 'anti-LGBT'? OK.
And again if Provorov said the exact same thing, but that he happened to be Muslim or Jewish, even if he were criticised by people I 1000% believe the criticism that some people are laying on him would be much, MUCH less because there are certain things and certain people that are largely off limits of sorts from serious criticism and the above two religions are part of it.
And lets be real if there was a gay hockey player that decided not to participate in an on ice event that went against his beliefs, NO ONE would be criticising him for doing so and probably would instead be completely supportive his decision.
Provorov's background has nothing to do with anything. It's his actions and choices that are being criticized, and anybody else would be criticized the same.
I notice you didn't answer the question. If he believes in all of that stuff, why would he abandon his team and refuse to wear a jersey in warmup that represents all of that stuff?
I think he made his beliefs pretty clear, and they deserve criticism.
Provorov's background ABSOLUTE DOES make the difference. If he were Muslim or Jewish and said he declined to wear the jersey because of his faith, much fewer if anyone would have the balls to criticise him for that because more often than not those religions are above serious criticism and anyone who does try to do so would they themselves be called out for not being tolerant of Islamic and Jewish beliefs.
Also I did answer the question. You can support LGBT rights and be perfectly happy living around them, but why should you be FORCED to accept anything and everything the LGBT community believes? Why isn't it enough to allow people to live and let live? We certainly don't do this for religion or practically anything else so why should we do so for LGBT beliefs?
BertCorbeau
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Who knew that simply not wearing a piece of clothing means you're COMPLETELY AGAINST the LGBT community and was such a 'hate crime'? Doesn't matter if you support them in having equal rights with everyone else and it doesn't matter if you're tolerant and support living and let living with LGBT and anyone else in society, somehow by simply not wearing a jersey means all that doesn't matter and now you're seen as 'anti-LGBT'? OK.
And again if Provorov said the exact same thing, but that he happened to be Muslim or Jewish, even if he were criticised by people I 1000% believe the criticism that some people are laying on him would be much, MUCH less because there are certain things and certain people that are largely off limits of sorts from serious criticism and the above two religions are part of it.
And lets be real if there was a gay hockey player that decided not to participate in an on ice event that went against his beliefs, NO ONE would be criticising him for doing so and probably would instead be completely supportive his decision.
He was asked to wear a jersey with his teammates as a means of the showing how organization supports that community. This is in a major professional sport in a big market.
The fact that he openly chose not to wear it based on his beliefs is very telling how strong he feels as he put this above supporting his team and teammates goal.
He would have to be pretty dumb to not see the backlash that would come with this decision, yet he put his beliefs ahead of that.
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The Flyers should have just scratched him for an undisclosed reason and skipped the circus they had to know that would follow.
You can be opened minded without being opened minded to EVERYTHING. I don't know when some western societies evolved to the point that people had to accept and be tolerant of anything and everything that some groups of people believed in. Of course this would exclude certain groups of people like Muslims or Jews who could do the same as Provorov did and NOT be seriously criticised for it because the media and many people make allowances for them and don't have the balls to criticise them the same as they would others.
Funny how we're constantly beaten over the head that 'diversity is our strength' and yet somehow that doesn't extend to DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT.
His background does not make a difference. I literally don't care in the slightest. Bad positions are bad.
You didn't answer the question. He's not being forced to accept or believe anything. He's being asked to join his teammates and the organization he represents in supporting a marginalized community - which many of his fans would be a part of - and supporting the fact that they deserve the same rights, opportunities, and freedoms as everybody else (that for a long part of history, they did not have), by doing the absolute bare minimum possible - wearing a slightly colourful jersey in warmup.
He was so against that tiny show of basic support that he didn't even have to actually do anything for, that he removed himself from the team's warmup, so I don't know how you can sit there and tell me that he's all for LGBT rights, when his actions and words show the exact opposite.
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But why must someone HAVE TO do or wear something to support a community when they don't have to and shouldn't be forced to? And again I ask even if you support that community it doesn't mean you have to support ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING that community believes in.
For example you might be tolerant and accepting of Muslims and their religion, but I'm pretty damn sure that you don't agree or accept EVERYTHING that religion preaches do you especially when it comes to LGBT people? And yet no one has the courage or feels the need to come out and say that any Muslims living in western countries MUST change their beliefs otherwise there may be consequences. No we don't do that. We say that although we disagree with some of their beliefs, we also respect their right to have those beliefs instead of demanding that they change.
Funny how we have such different standards for different groups of people.
I really doubt you'd be saying the same thing if Provorov were Muslim or Jewish and criticise him as much for putting his faith above almost everything else. You may still not agree with his stance and his decision, but you and the media definitely wouldn't be criticising him nearly as much because then YOU might be accused of being intolerant of Jewish or Islamic beliefs and that wouldn't be a good look either.
Except THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY BACKLASH TO BEGIN WITH. This is a NOTHING STORY and it only became a story because some people in the media chose to make it one over a nothing issue. Even now that it has become a story of sorts, I seriously doubt that the overwhelming majority of people in LGBT communities around the world know or care about it anyways. Its like the media is trying their hardest to make it a controversial issue when you could ask 1000 LGBT off the streets about it and they probably wouldn't give a crap about it.
BertCorbeau
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But why must someone HAVE TO do or wear something to support a community when they don't have to and shouldn't be forced to? And again I ask even if you support that community it doesn't mean you have to support ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING that community believes in.
For example you might be tolerant and accepting of Muslims and their religion, but I'm pretty damn sure that you don't agree or accept EVERYTHING that religion preaches do you especially when it comes to LGBT people? And yet no one has the courage or feels the need to come out and say that any Muslims living in western countries MUST change their beliefs otherwise there may be consequences. No we don't do that. We say that although we disagree with some of their beliefs, we also respect their right to have those beliefs instead of demanding that they change.
Funny how we have such different standards for different groups of people.
I really doubt you'd be saying the same thing if Provorov were Muslim or Jewish and criticise him as much for putting his faith above almost everything else. You may still not agree with his stance and his decision, but you and the media definitely wouldn't be criticising him nearly as much because then YOU might be accused of being intolerant of Jewish or Islamic beliefs and that wouldn't be a good look either.
Except THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY BACKLASH TO BEGIN WITH. This is a NOTHING STORY and it only became a story because some people in the media chose to make it one over a nothing issue. Even now that it has become a story of sorts, I seriously doubt that the overwhelming majority of people in LGBT communities around the world know or care about it anyways. Its like the media is trying their hardest to make it a controversial issue when you could ask 1000 LGBT off the streets about it and they probably wouldn't give a crap about it.
You’re strawmanning this argument into something broad based on assumptions and putting words in my mouth. Stop.
You’re also going way into the political spectrum of the discussion which is against site rules.
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I don't know why you are thinking if he was Muslim or Jewish, people would be reserved. Seems like you are trying to make a statement when there isn't for it. Whatever skin, religion, or planetary origin you come from, being discriminatory or bigoted is the same. There is no change to it, there is no excuse for it nor place for it. Simple as that.
I will stop this discussion and refrain from speaking any further because this is being pulled way too much.
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Montreal happened lol. He was part of the overhyped Habs first rounder group that included LeBlanc, Tinordi, Scherbak, Juulsen, and Poehling. They had some awful drafts post Pacioretty/Subban (2007)
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BertCorbeau
F*ck cancer - RIP Fugu and Buffaloed
Too bad Caufield has found it.. he looked lost for awhile and was busting. I was hoping he would because of the hype he got.
Anyway Slaf was pretty meh this year. 4 goals, 10 points in 39 games. Of course powerforwards take time to develop
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DJ Smith learned well from Babcock I see.
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Its just amazing that Torts' teams are usually always in the mix and the teams he has coached in teh last few years don't have superstars on them.
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Maybe he figures he signed a contract to play hockey and dislikes his employer forcing something that has nothing to do with his employment or agreed to contract on him?
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Man some heated debate here about Provorov. The sooner people learn to live with difference of opinions the better it will be.
8 billion people on the planet, everyone has their own comfort zone and as long as nobody is causing any physical/financial harm to anyone else people should just move on. Life is short, live and let live ffs.
And on to hockey: here is something we can all agree on
Bruins are down to isles here is hoping score stays that way
EDIT: And I effing jinxed it. f*** the Bruins seriously
8 billion people on the planet, everyone has their own comfort zone and as long as nobody is causing any physical/financial harm to anyone else people should just move on. Life is short, live and let live ffs.
And on to hockey: here is something we can all agree on
Bruins are down to isles here is hoping score stays that way
EDIT: And I effing jinxed it. f*** the Bruins seriously
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