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lebdafor norris said:
Drai should be compared with the likes of Kucherov and MacKinnon at this point, it really is getting harder and harder to convince others that AM and Drai are still in the same tier.
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Just ask yourself, is it possible for Matthews to produce as well as Drai has riding shotgun to McDavid?

The answer should unequivocally be yes.

Now add that Matthews actually plays C and is leaps and bounds better defensively.

Draisaitl is an elite elite player, but his part of his production is a product of very heavy offensive usage and being stapled to a line with one of the greatest players of all time.
 
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The Podium said:
Just ask yourself, is it possible for Matthews to produce as well as Drai has riding shotgun to McDavid?

The answer should unequivocally be yes.

Now add that Matthews actually plays C and is leaps and bounds better defensively.

Draisaitl is an elite elite player, but his part of his production is a product of very heavy offensive usage and being stapled to a line with one of the greatest players of all time.
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I’d say it’s similar to the Crosby-Malkin situation … I think Drai deserves the recognition
 
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BertCorbeau said:
I’d say it’s similar to the Crosby-Malkin situation … I think Drai deserves the recognition
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I'd say its more similar to Backstrom - Ovi, while Backstrom was a fantastic player in his prime, his numbers were slightly inflated.

ES Draisaitl and McDavid play 31.3% and are each others most common line mates. Together they have a 56 SF% and 57.1 CF%.

Draisaitl centering his own line is still has a +6 goal differential, but a 43.9 SF% and 45.8 CF%, so while they are still producing fairly well they are getting absolutely dominated.
 
The Podium said:
Just ask yourself, is it possible for Matthews to produce as well as Drai has riding shotgun to McDavid?

The answer should unequivocally be yes.

Now add that Matthews actually plays C and is leaps and bounds better defensively.

Draisaitl is an elite elite player, but his part of his production is a product of very heavy offensive usage and being stapled to a line with one of the greatest players of all time.
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I'm going to combine last season with this season stats as the sample size this year is too small. Drai has put up 112 points in just 69 games during this time period while playing 619 even strength minutes WITHOUT McDavid and 514 minutes with. For comparison Matthews put up 77 points in 64 games during this period while Barkov registered 73 in 63.

As for his his CF% without McDavid, well how about we look at Drai and McDavid's offensive zone deployment when together; 94 offensive zone starts vs 49 defensive zone starts and 226 offensive faceoffs compared to 116 defensive zone faceoffs, of course his CF% is going to be higher with McDavid the coach is spoon feeding them offensive zone deployment when these 2 guys are on the ice together.

McDavid in general gets very heavy O zone deployment no matter who his playing with, Drai on the other hand gets a more balance zone deployment when playing away from McDavid, in fact his deployment with Kahun, one of his more common linemates during this time period sees Drai getting a pitiful 46% O zone start and a 45% O zone faceoffs. Kahun rarely plays with McDavid as well so its safe to assume that many of this defensive zone deployments Drai was getting was without McDavid
 
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The Podium said:
I'd say its more similar to Backstrom - Ovi, while Backstrom was a fantastic player in his prime, his numbers were slightly inflated.

ES Draisaitl and McDavid play 31.3% and are each others most common line mates. Together they have a 56 SF% and 57.1 CF%.

Draisaitl centering his own line is still has a +6 goal differential, but a 43.9 SF% and 45.8 CF%, so while they are still producing fairly well they are getting absolutely dominated.
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If you just want to use this season as the only sample size then you can apply the same logic as I did earlier but instead of using Kahun (who is no longer in the NHL) will use Yamamoto as this is a guy Drai plays a lot of minutes with and whom McDavid rarely plays with. Once again, McDavid is getting 60+ % O zone starts and faceoffs whether his playing with Hyman, Pulj or Drai. Drai on the other hand gets 60+ % zone starts with McDavid while his deployment with Kailer (once again, a guy he plays heavy minutes with but who at the same time rarely gets to play with McDavid) sees him getting ~46% O zone starts, with splits like that his CF% is bound to suffer.

Whats even more impressive is how Drai is actually outpointing McDavid despite the latter being put in the better position to succeed.
 
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horner said:
I have bone to pick .
It great that they are recognizing girls achievements in hockey and awarding them with the hall of fame .
But
In 72 Paul Henderson who scored on if the most famous goals is not in the HOF.
Doug Wilson took 24 yesterday to enter the HOF.
Many other hockey greats waiting.
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Paul Henderson scored the winning goal in each of the last three games in the 72 Summit Series.

That's almost unbelievable.

However, other than in that series, and primarily in those last games, he really didn't do anything that was HHOF worthy.

That series was, and his performance was, and especially that last goal was, and they are all rightfully in the Hall.
 
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PromisedLand said:
Canes are still pissed at the Habs apparently :laugh:

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Honestly Canes stuff was funny at first a bit and I hate the Habs like the next Leaf fan but you can still have respect.

Yes it's good they're donating here... but there's been a lot of other times they are really petty. Gets old.

I don't say this often but Cherry wasn't really wrong here when he said what he did .. and near the end I don't think he was really working anymore... just a different time now.

Bettman probably loves this type of shit and the twitter account that the Canes run for the entertainment value.

I don't know maybe it's because as I'm getting older I look at it differently but the Canes need a few good beat downs. Take them down a notch.
 
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Burnie97 said:
Honestly Canes stuff was funny at first a bit and I hate the Habs like the next Leaf fan but you can still have respect.

Yes it's good they're donating here... but there's been a lot of other times they are really petty. Gets old.

I don't say this often but Cherry wasn't really wrong here when he said what he did .. and near the end I don't think he was really working anymore... just a different time now.

Bettman probably loves this type of shit and the twitter account that the Canes run for the entertainment value.

I don't know maybe it's because as I'm getting older I look at it differently but the Canes need a few good beat downs. Take them down a notch.
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Canes did get beat by a herculean effort by carter hart the other day :laugh:
 
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The Podium said:
Just ask yourself, is it possible for Matthews to produce as well as Drai has riding shotgun to McDavid?

The answer should unequivocally be yes.

Now add that Matthews actually plays C and is leaps and bounds better defensively.

Draisaitl is an elite elite player, but his part of his production is a product of very heavy offensive usage and being stapled to a line with one of the greatest players of all time.
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Dude stop it. Seriously just stop.

Matthews fans won't ever accept Draisaitl as the better player. Matthews has 1 year being better than him in the past 4

Draisaitl doesn't play with McDavid he centers his own line. They operate the best PP in the league together.

Matthews has Marner and two other stars on the PP and still can't produce anywhere close

They aren't comparable players whatsoever

Matthews playing 2C behind McDavid with RNH + Yammato will hurt his 5v5 production. He'll see his PP points increase but overall will be a 105-115 point player not the best player in the league

Matthews doesn't have as strong offensive capabilities as Draisaitl. One is an all time great play maker and the other is a average play maker.

The 5-10 goals Matthews outscored Draisaitl by won't matter when there is a 40 assist gap between the two
 
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hamzarocks said:
Dude stop it. Seriously just stop.

Matthews fans won't ever accept Draisaitl as the better player. Matthews has 1 year being better than him in the past 4

Draisaitl doesn't play with McDavid he centers his own line. They operate the best PP in the league together.

Matthews has Marner and two other stars on the PP and still can't produce anywhere close

They aren't comparable players whatsoever

Matthews playing 2C behind McDavid with RNH + Yammato will hurt his 5v5 production. He'll see his PP points increase but overall will be a 105-115 point player not the best player in the league

Matthews doesn't have as strong offensive capabilities as Draisaitl. One is an all time great play maker and the other is a average play maker.

The 5-10 goals Matthews outscored Draisaitl by won't matter when there is a 40 assist gap between the two
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At least 56.6% with McDavid ES, weird that you think he centers his own line

99% on the PP

And it’s not exclusive to Matthews, I think Kuch, Mackinnon, Marner, Rantanen, etc would produce equally as well
 
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The Podium said:
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At least 56.6% with McDavid ES, weird that you think he centers his own line
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56.6% with 33.3 as the winger and rest as center or 4v4 and Empty net situations

He's produced at a generational level now for 3 years now. He produced without McDavid when he got injured in 2020 paying with RNH and Yamamoto

Draisaitl is on track to be better than Malkin as the #2 option behind a generational center.

Draisaitl putting up 120-150 points will trump the imaginary world where matthews is capable of producing at a similar level

Once again Marner and matthews both collectively are expected to be Leon Draisaitl level talents. They've played together last 2 years and this year in the PP

JT is supposed to be an elite 1C, Nylander an elite 1W. Matthews doesn't lack linemate quality in the slightest. He can't create offense at a similar level for his teammates as Draisaitl

97 before Draisaitl become the 2nd best player in the league (2020)

Was the best player in the league in 2018 and 2019 but didn't produce Gretzky like dominant numbers. He only started putting up historically dominant numbers when Drasailt broke out and became almost as good an offensive player as him.

McDavid needs Draisaitl just like Draisaitl needs him. Indepdently both are 1 and 2 in world but at a normal level, together with their chemistry they are Gretzky and Lemieux like dominance
 
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hamzarocks said:
56.6% with 33.3 as the winger and rest as center or 4v4 and Empty net situations

He's produced at a generational level now for 3 years now. He produced without McDavid when he got injured in 2020 paying with RNH and Yamamoto

Draisaitl is on track to be better than Malkin as the #2 option behind a generational center.

Draisaitl putting up 120-150 points will trump the imaginary world where matthews is capable of producing at a similar level

Once again Marner and matthews both collectively are expected to be Leon Draisaitl level talents. They've played together last 2 years and this year in the PP

JT is supposed to be an elite 1C, Nylander an elite 1W. Matthews doesn't lack linemate quality in the slightest. He can't create offense at a similar level for his teammates as Draisaitl

97 before Draisaitl become the 2nd best player in the league (2020)

Was the best player in the league in 2018 and 2019 but didn't produce Gretzky like dominant numbers. He only started putting up historically dominant numbers when Drasailt broke out and became almost as good an offensive player as him.

McDavid needs Draisaitl just like Draisaitl needs him. Indepdently both are 1 and 2 in world but at a normal level, together with their chemistry they are Gretzky and Lemieux like dominance
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I don’t doubt that Draisaitl is part of that second tier of elite talent in this league. But playing second fiddle to McDavid, any of those guys would perform equally as well.

Unlike Malkin, Draisaitl isn’t playing second fiddle to McDavid, but rather alongside with him. Not to mention McDavid is better than prime Crosby.
 
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