GDT: Around the League - 2021/22 - Playoffs edition

[PromisedLand]

I was thinking it would have been nice to trade up to get K'Andre Miller in that draft, but we went back and drafted Sandin.

Unless Sandin improves his footspeed his game is not going to translate well into the NHL especially when he takes on tougher match ups

 

[PromisedLand]

The habs made the final.

yea... CBJ made the finals too. right?

 

[Nineteen67]

If Crosby wasn't concussed by David freakin Steckel and Malkin didnt have injury woes they might have had more high octane runs.



The rebuild by rangers started with net out. also rangers management has guts to call out NHL BS even if they have to take the 100K fines [MOD]

Last two years they’ve had

Vezina candidate
Norris candidate
Hart candidate
Ross candidate
Adams candidate

And Still rebuilding

 

[Legion34]

yea... CBJ made the finals too. right?

No?

 

[Nineteen67]

yea... CBJ made the finals too. right?

No. But at least they made the playoffs that year.

 

[fahad203]

Good for them and 2 of them was when they added Kessel? Were they not good enough before?

Our core was really good this series but ran into an elite team.
People have this fantasy vision that you break up the core and Leafs will improve. It doesn't work like that. Some Leafs fans want the Nonis era sadly.

They did win in 2008-09 Season
They also went to the finals the year before 2007-2008

I mean 3 Stanly Cups, 1 finalist should be enough for a 15 year run

I mean all we are really asking is really a round against anybody...... Maybe even the worse team in the North Division to make the playoffs, the Habs

 

[PromisedLand]

Last two years they’ve had

Vezina candidate
Norris candidate
Hart candidate
Ross candidate
Adams candidate

And Still rebuilding

Its a culture thing man. You either have a winning culture and mindset or you don't. You etiher accept mediocrity and are self-congratulatory easily satisfied or you don't accept mediocrity, don't drink your own koolaid and are always looking for more always hungry for more

Its a culture thing. And it starts at the top with the GM

 

[fahad203]

Its a culture thing man. You either have a winning culture and mindset or you don't. You etiher accept mediocrity and are self-congratulatory easily satisfied or you don't accept mediocrity, don't drink your own koolaid and are always looking for more always hungry for more

Its a culture thing. And it starts at the top with the GM

Gerrald Gallant doesn't mess around. First thing he did was get Eaves. He knew a player like him will have cascading effect
But who needs experience. Experience men are old dinaosours

We need more of Dubas, John Chayka

 

[Nineteen67]

So far, the home team has won all but one of the games 7.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Hes played in ~ 10 series since 2018. Can’t suck too bad.

He got benched by Vegas last year for sucking so much (1 point in 12 playoff games), and just played 6 whole minutes in a game 7 overtime, with no points and no penalty minutes in the series. He's not even physical anymore because he can't keep up.

 

[PromisedLand]

So far, the home team has won all but one of the games 7.

In total there were 5 game 7s right?

• Oilers Vs Kings (Oilers win at home)
• Canes Vs Bruins (Canes win at home)
• Rangers Vs Pens (Rangers win at home)
• Leafs Vs Bolts (Leafs BLOW at home)
• Flames Vs Stars (still on going)

You can't make this stuff up. It is agonizing, frustrating and enraging

 

[Stephen]

Last two years they’ve had

Vezina candidate
Norris candidate
Hart candidate
Ross candidate
Adams candidate

And Still rebuilding

If you look closely the whole Rangers rebuild didn’t work out too well via the draft. Andersson, Buchnevich, Lafreniere, Kaako aren’t the main drivers of success. But trades for Fox, Zibanejad, Trouba free agency ads for Panarin, and Sheshterkin being drafted in 2014 are kind of the backbone of it. Kreider is a left over too.

 

[PromisedLand]

Flames leading in shots 40-11 and its 2nd period. Flames came out to play at "Home" in Game 7

 

[Nineteen67]

If you look closely the whole Rangers rebuild didn’t work out too well via the draft. Andersson, Buchnevich, Lafreniere, Kaako aren’t the main drivers of success. But trades for Fox, Zibanejad, Trouba free agency ads for Panarin, and Sheshterkin being drafted in 2014 are kind of the backbone of it. Kreider is a left over too.

It doesn’t matter how you acquire them but you must have dependable players in key spots, especially goalie and D.

 

[3blizzard4]

So far, the home team has won all but one of the games 7.

All this talk about Leafs getting home ice advantage...we play at home same result. We play away....same result.

 

[keonsbitterness]

All this talk about Leafs getting home ice advantage...we play at home same result. We play away....same result.

Old Harry Neale quote:
"We can't win at home. We can't away. My failure as a coach is I can't think of anywhere else to play."

 

[Jmo89]

Its a culture thing man. You either have a winning culture and mindset or you don't. You etiher accept mediocrity and are self-congratulatory easily satisfied or you don't accept mediocrity, don't drink your own koolaid and are always looking for more always hungry for more

Its a culture thing. And it starts at the top with the GM

The Leafs have a tendency of trying to be innovative but without a foundation of success. Because of that they are always late to the party.

Regardless of your opinion of Babcock/Lou, they were at least a GM/coaching match. They would have been better off hiring Dubas and Keefe from the start and letting them grow with the team. Instead our young players got too good (at least in the regular season) too quickly and outgrew Babcock. The pain Babcock spoke of only lasted a season, instead we got an entirely different kind of pain with playoff failures.

Rather, management made a poor coaching/GM match and wasted some of the core's prime with a coach and GM that didn't work well together. Once Babcock was sent packing we got Keefe who has been out-coached in 3 straight playoffs and is learning on the job while the core squanders chance after chance.

They have the best core in decades (at least in the regular season and on paper) and have wasted years letting the coach and GM learn on the job.

Soon they'll waste more time with a half measures coaching/GM change.

Same thing with the contracts. Dubas wanted to be their friend while negotiating and while the rest of the league was signing their young superstars the summer they became eligible for an extension, Toronto waited on not just 1, 2, but 3 of their young players and got burned on price and term for all of them. (To be fair, Nylander not being signed early is on Lou.)

The list goes on an on with players choices, style of play, and types of players.

It's a culture and mentality issue at this point, but they'll probably be late once again to make a change.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I agree with you here except on the PP. Thats 3 assistant coaches with Keefe as coach where PP fell apart in the playoffs so you have to look at the head coach there. Not saying to fire him because I think he's a good coach. Thought he coached well in the series. Only letting him go if an upgrade wants to come.

Why would you look at the head coach when he doesn't come up with the PP strategy?



That is 2 different coaches, 4 different PP coaches.

At some point they need to convert their chances. We can't have a total of 10 PP goals in 176 man playoff games from our top unit. Especially when they know how to score and our system is generating chances for them. We have had some things that are out of control that have likely been the difference, and it rarely works in our favour. Skill-wise we are there. Effort-wise we are there. We know what it takes. Eventually you just need to get it done, and it this point, it is going to be something stupid, completely counterproductive, and against all reason. Like we have a terrible game where we are completely dominated but we get some lucky bounces or their goalie lets in some soft goals. It has happened enough times to us, it is about time it worked the other way around.

 

[Gabriel426]

Unless Sandin improves his footspeed his game is not going to translate well into the NHL especially when he takes on tougher match ups

Sandin should never be on the Leafs. He is not big and strong enough to clear in front of the net and not fast enough to be those speedy small puck moving Dman. He will have his hits and a lot of us here will go, see that, thats being physical, and moments of brilliance with his passing or shots in the ozone...but then he will always be beat one on one against a 3rd liner and be push around in front of the net by a 4th liner.

 

[saffronleaf]

Old Harry Neale quote:
"We can't win at home. We can't away. My failure as a coach is I can't think of anywhere else to play."

even playing in liminal zones like in hamilton vs buffalo we lost

 

[keonsbitterness]

even playing in liminal zones like in hamilton vs buffalo we lost

I had to look up liminal.

 

[Superstar]

Another powerplay in overtime? And in game 7 too? So NYR gets one to win it, Calgary gets one too. You don't say, only the Leafs don't get one.

 

[TMLeafer]

So two straight game 7 OTs today where there's a hook/hold penalty given. Thinking of the muggings let go in game 6 OT

 

[saffronleaf]

this other robertson on dallas is solid

 

[Superstar]

So two straight game 7 OTs today where there's a hook/hold penalty given. Thinking of the muggings let go in game 6 OT

And there are still people who are not convinced refs have it in for the Leafs...evidence just keeps piling up every year for the last 5 years. Windsurfing on Matthews' back by Killorn is as blatant as it gets, and an easy call, it was freakin' pathetic. Of course because refs don't call it, he goes on to blatantly pull the stick out of Muzzin's hands (another no call, but why not if you keep getting away with cheating) that lead to the series winning goal by Paul.