GDT: Around the League - 2021/22 - Playoffs edition

[BertCorbeau]

In part because of MacKinnon last deal the Avs have this opportunity now, because at $6.3 mil and C.H.% 8.63

Colorado last 5 years playoff record.

2017-18 Colorado Avalanche - Lost in round 1
2018-19 Colorado Avalanche - Lost in round 2
2019-20 Colorado Avalanche - Lost in round 3
2020-21 Colorado Avalanche - Lost in round 2
2021-22 Colorado Avalanche - Stanley Cup Finals & TBD ?

The Avs have won 7 rounds in the last 5 years and counting, and are currently only 2 wins away from a Stanley Cup. So Nate can recognize his team is close, if not quite there yet.

What would be similar to other teams star players is if Colorado does win this year and much like Toews, Kane in Chicago, or Kopitar and Doughty in LA or Sid and Geno in Pittsburgh, who cashed in on their contracts AFTER hoisting a Cup and some even earning the Conn Smythe trophy.

The best window of opportunity to win the Cup is when your star players are on cap friendly deals and producing at high levels.

Avs 3 star forwards .. Rantanen, Landeskog & MacKinnon consume $22.55 mil AAV combined.

Colorado was knocked out in round 2 in 19/20

 

[Dekes For Days]

In part because of MacKinnon last deal the Avs have this opportunity now, because at $6.3 mil and C.H.% 8.63

Yes, Colorado is currently benefitting from Mackinnon being a disappointment through the beginning of his career, and from the significant rises in the cap since then.

much like Toews, Kane in Chicago, or Kopitar and Doughty in LA or Sid and Geno in Pittsburgh, who cashed in on their contracts AFTER hoisting a Cup

All of those players cashed in on big contracts prior to winning a cup, for the record.

 

[kb]

Colorado was knocked out in round 2 in 19/20

The issue is that it makes the points seem more relevant when the repeated blatant falsehoods go unchallenged.

Yes, Colorado is currently benefitting from Mackinnon being a disappointment through the beginning of his career, and from the significant rises in the cap since then.

All of those players cashed in on big contracts prior to winning a cup, for the record.

We also probably shouldn't allow truths get in the way of a narrative.

 

[ACC1224]

Colorado was knocked out in round 2 in 19/20

Good catch.
Wonder how many here remember watching the Leafs in round 2?

 

[TheBigFour]

So the NHL awards are on tonight.
There is good chance that matthews might win the hart and the ted lindsey award.

probably the most unpredictable hart race we saw for some time.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Fml.

 

[Antropovsky]

Yes, Colorado is currently benefitting from Mackinnon being a disappointment through the beginning of his career, and from the significant rises in the cap since then.

All of those players cashed in on big contracts prior to winning a cup, for the record.

Not exactly... the contracts most of them won cups on werent their "big contracts". How many cups do these players have when their contracts were above 11% of the cap?

Doughty won his two cups while at 10.89% and none since going above 12%
Crosby won 2 cups when he took a team friendly 10.55% (he won one cup on the first year of his "big contract"
Kane and Toews won their cups at around 10.61%, don't think they have any since going above 12%

Marner, Matthews and Tavares at 11% would be about 9 million each. That is about 6.8 Million in savings on their current contracts.

 

[Dekes For Days]

the contracts most of them won cups on werent their "big contracts".

Crosby had not won a cup when he signed his 17.30% x 5 year contract.
Malkin had not won a cup when he signed his 15.34% x 5 year contract.
Kopitar had not won a cup when he signed his 12.00% x 7 year contract.
Toews had not won a cup when he signed his 11.09% x 5 year contract.
Kane had not won a cup when he signed his 11.09% x 5 year contract.
Doughty had not won a cup when he signed his 10.89% x 8 year contract.

Those are big contracts. Some of them even bigger than Matthews/Marner.

 

[Menzinger]

 

[Dekes For Days]

There are some teams that likely wouldn't have gotten that decision from the situation room either.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Yeah I was thinking about that at the time. I thought Cooper said no challenge, then changed his mind after more review so what are the rules - how much time does he have to make this decision? And once he's made it, how much time does he have to change his mind? Not sure I've seen that before - reversing a decision to challenge or not challenge.

The whole thing seemed very odd and made me wonder if there are in fact any rules here. The tweet in your post seems to suggest otherwise and if true, that's pretty dumb.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[ACC1224]

Nice chunk of change, way to go Pete!

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[ACC1224]

Guessing he's not getting 4.25 a year.

 

[Antropovsky]

Crosby had not won a cup when he signed his 17.30% x 5 year contract.
Malkin had not won a cup when he signed his 15.34% x 5 year contract.
Kopitar had not won a cup when he signed his 12.00% x 7 year contract.
Toews had not won a cup when he signed his 11.09% x 5 year contract.
Kane had not won a cup when he signed his 11.09% x 5 year contract.
Doughty had not won a cup when he signed his 10.89% x 8 year contract.

Those are big contracts. Some of them even bigger than Matthews/Marner.

What are the cap hits of those players in the year of their cup wins?

The next stat I'd like to look at is how many final appearances and series wins before they went above 11%.

Where are you getting your cap%? I looked at puckpedia and they say Toews and Kane were below 11% on their second contracts. Kane for instance says 10.61%.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Every time I see his face he reminds me of Peter Pettigrew from Harry Potter for some reason.

Obviously without the over the top warts and stuff.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Ah, there’s that “Toronto biased media” I keep hearing about.

This was never a question in years past when McDavid or Draisaitl got knocked out early or didn’t even make the playoffs and still won the Hart. But now because Matthews was knocked out early (to a much stronger opponent than anyone Edmonton faced until Colorado) and McDavid went on a great playoff run all of the sudden playoff performance should count towards a regular season award.

 

[Dekes For Days]

What are the cap hits of those players in the year of their cup wins?

You're welcome to check if you want, but that's a different discussion. All of those players signed big post-ELC contracts prior to cup wins.

The next stat I'd like to look at is how many final appearances and series wins before they went above 11%.

Irrelevant to their contracts, but Kopitar, Doughty, and Crosby hadn't won anything, and Malkin, Toews, and Kane had a couple of series wins.

Where are you getting your cap%?

Capfriendly.

 

[Apex Predator]

Ah, there’s that “Toronto biased media” I keep hearing about.

This was never a question in years past when McDavid or Draisaitl got knocked out early or didn’t even make the playoffs and still won the Hart. But now because Matthews was knocked out early (to a much stronger opponent than anyone Edmonton faced until Colorado) and McDavid went on a great playoff run all of the sudden playoff performance should count towards a regular season award.

This questions is always asked. This isn’t Toronto biased. Every year they talk about do you consider the playoffs when picking awards.

 

[BertCorbeau]

There’s literally an award for playoff MVP. Media is ridiculous

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

 

[Buds17]

There’s literally an award for playoff MVP. Media is ridiculous

Have to admit that I do like the idea for the other awards that don't have any separation between regular season and playoffs though.

 

[Nineteen67]

Good catch.
Wonder how many here remember watching the Leafs in round 2?

I remember the ceiling being the conference finals and they made it a couple of years. During one stretch, if memory serves, they had more playoff wins than other team.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Makar with a well earned Norris, he's unreal .. But what a big snub for Josi who put up 10 more points (96!) on a much worse team.

Imagine getting 96 points as a d-man and not winning the Norris.