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GDT: Around the League - 2021/22 - Playoffs edition

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MSZ said:
You are talking like the Leafs have some real achievements to their record book so we can look down other teams like that.

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Edmonton had cinderella run 2006 and after that they have won those two series this year. I don't think we can look down on them, but I just doesn't feel like moaning here like an idiot. If we look the big picture and how many first overalls they have had. I think in big picture were in pretty good spot compared to them, other than playing way harder division.

They're build had every opportunity to succeed and there they are struggling like us.
 
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deprw said:
Edmonton had cinderella run 2006 and after that they have won those two series this year. I don't think we can look down on them, but I just doesn't feel like moaning here like an idiot. If we look the big picture and how many first overalls they have had. I think in big picture were in pretty good spot compared to them, other than playing way harder division.

They're build had every opportunity to succeed and there they are struggling like us.
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It's the facts we went from being the next Blackhawks dynasty but better (a crap Tom of posters were saying this in 2017) to being compared to the Oilers that us touhh to swallow

We were supposed to be th me cream of the crop for all rebuilding teams.

I get winning cup(s) in the NHL is hard but we've progressed no further in 5 years since the caps series

Always go to the final game of the series and always end up losing. 3 of the past 4 years the offense in game 7 has provided 1, 1, 1 goal and we blame the players that have either been moved on from (Hyman, Kadri, Andersen, Marleau) managment/coaching which has been moved in from (Babs, Lou,m Hunter)

Hardly anyone wants to fault the current management group who have consistently stuck with this core and failed. No one wants to acknowledge the lack of offense the core provides come playoffs in the 4 years they've been together relative to their roles on the team and league wide.

We are fine with justifying being almost good enough in round 1 every year.

Our hope is that 4 out of 20 players can win us a series when they've filled to do so in the past 4 years and 2 additional ones before that.

The teams nucleus has to change. We need to move out a 11M player and reallocate that to an asset which works on making us deeper and more dangerous to score in the playoffs.
 
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hamzarocks said:
It's the facts we went from being the next Blackhawks dynasty but better (a crap Tom of posters were saying this in 2017) to being compared to the Oilers that us touhh to swallow

We were supposed to be th me cream of the crop for all rebuilding teams.

I get winning cup(s) in the NHL is hard but we've progressed no further in 5 years since the caps series

Always go to the final game of the series and always end up losing. 3 of the past 4 years the offense in game 7 has provided 1, 1, 1 goal and we blame the players that have either been moved on from (Hyman, Kadri, Andersen, Marleau) managment/coaching which has been moved in from (Babs, Lou,m Hunter)

Hardly anyone wants to fault the current management group who have consistently stuck with this core and failed. No one wants to acknowledge the lack of offense the core provides come playoffs in the 4 years they've been together relative to their roles on the team and league wide.

We are fine with justifying being almost good enough in round 1 every year.

Our hope is that 4 out of 20 players can win us a series when they've filled to do so in the past 4 years and 2 additional ones before that.

The teams nucleus has to change. We need to move out a 11M player and reallocate that to an asset which works on making us deeper and more dangerous to score in the playoffs.
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I don't disagree, but I see no appetite to move either Matthews or marner, and Tavares has a NMC.

My guess there is a limit on how far some would go to make the Toronto Maple Leafs better.

Leafs had a better record than the Lightning, so regular season Leafs were the better team, and had home ice. Not sure what more the players needed in their corner for there to be some "success." There shouldn't be an excuse that they faced a better team, unless the argument is that regular season is irrelevant which circles right back to are they better? You can't say regular season proves they are a better team and then use the regular season isn't indicate of being the better team when they fail again in the post-season.

To me, they must find some / multiple hidden gems for the bottom 6.

The easiest way to make an impact is with a coaching change, if the players are unable to alter the outcome, and the blame won't be placed at the feet of those wearing skates, someone one has to pay the price.
 
Interesting to me, that with 2 of the final 4 teams, the heart and soul guy on the team were two former Leafs we basically lost for nothing.
 
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DarkKnight said:
Interesting to me, that with 2 of the final 4 teams, the heart and soul guy on the team were two former Leafs we basically lost for nothing.
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Take away the Marner goal they unfairly attributed to him and Hyman had 0 points in his last 8 games with the Leafs (playing much of the time with Matthews). I still think the team wanted to keep him though as injuries played a part (one of the many walking wounded during this time) but the unforseen Covid cap wiped him off the team really.

Kadri was more or less run out of town in a hail of negative press and fan reaction despite his attractive contract. This was actually the first real effective playoffs of his career though (sadly cut short by injury) so theres a fair bit of recency bias going on with him.
 
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DarkKnight said:
Well one is healthy now and the other we traded for a marshmallow. Why don’t you ask the fans that have them that question?
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We traded our #3C for a cheaper #3c and a top-4 RD.

What they do once they leave has no bearing on what they would have done had they stayed.

But people in theory should be smart enough to understand that, unless it's more glasses bashing.
 
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We traded our #3C for a cheaper #3c and a top-4 RD.

What they do once they leave has no bearing on what they would have done had they stayed.

But people in theory should be smart enough to understand that, unless it's more glasses bashing.
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Calling Kadri a 3C is bias straight away, we traded a 2C on any team for a dime a dozen forward and a soft D man nobody here thought we needed at the time, it was an awful trade, universally excepted, apart from here. I praise and bash the glasses, depending on his move, as my post history will attest.
 
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Calling Kadri a 3C is bias straight away, we traded a 2C on any team for a dime a dozen forward and a soft D man nobody here thought we needed at the time, it was an awful trade, universally excepted, apart from here. I praise and bash the glasses, depending on his move, as my post history will attest.
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As everyone should.
 
DarkKnight said:
Calling Kadri a 3C is bias straight away, we traded a 2C on any team for a dime a dozen forward and a soft D man nobody here thought we needed at the time, it was an awful trade, universally excepted, apart from here. I praise and bash the glasses, depending on his move, as my post history will attest.
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He'd be 2nd. line center on many teams, but he was behind Matthews and Tavares in Toronto.

He's been a .87 PPG player for the Avs and has played in 30 of their 39 playoff games.

It worked out for the Avs.

Not sure he'll be re-signed there with their big re-signing coming up.
 
3blizzard4 said:
As much I am a fan of hockey I need a villain to root against to keep me interested.

Oilers are out. TB not much of a rivalry and their fan base is futile. I will watch for some entertainment and time passing.

Suffice to say my interest in hockey til September just went a few notches below curling.
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Perry is a nice villain. I just root against him after what he did to JT. And wouldn’t it be fun to see him lose in three straight SCFs? Hell of of player but seems to be very shitty and vile person (lots of accidentally on purpose stuff trying to injure your brethren).
 
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DarkKnight said:
Calling Kadri a 3C is bias straight away, we traded a 2C on any team for a dime a dozen forward and a soft D man nobody here thought we needed at the time, it was an awful trade, universally excepted, apart from here. I praise and bash the glasses, depending on his move, as my post history will attest.
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Remind me again where he played on the Leafs?

Oh righty. #3C, just as I said.

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Dekes For Days said:
I wonder if the people who believe losing in a later round than another team means they're better than them think that Montreal was the 2nd best team in the league.
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For the purposes of the money part of the 20-21 season -- the playoffs -- the Habs were the 2nd best team in the league. Last October, few would call the Habs a playoff team heading into the 21-22 season. Except Mess of course.
ToneDog said:
The CBC panel was saying that Makar is the best dman since Bobby Orr. If that is true, the Avs will probably win 3 or 4 cups in the next 10 years.
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That's a tall order. Orr only won two in a 12-14 team league.
 
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Boston going into teardown seems crazy. They are in need of a retool but they had a good coach and Pasta is a good piece to rebuild around

I’m guessing the price will be astronomical
 
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BertCorbeau said:
Boston going into teardown seems crazy. They are in need of a retool but they had a good coach and Pasta is a good piece to rebuild around

I’m guessing the price will be astronomical
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Problem is, they are a team that seems kind of in limbo. Solid goalie and defense, but their offense is lacking and that is without considering the ages of Marchand and Bergeron nor Pastrnak potentially leaving. Seems like a good idea to capitalize now, maybe luck out with Bedard, and then perhaps leverage UFA to get a little bit younger.

Of course, they probably will re-sign Pastrnak if he wants to stay. But they can't let him leave for nothing.
 
ULF_55 said:
I don't disagree, but I see no appetite to move either Matthews or marner, and Tavares has a NMC.

My guess there is a limit on how far some would go to make the Toronto Maple Leafs better.

Leafs had a better record than the Lightning, so regular season Leafs were the better team, and had home ice. Not sure what more the players needed in their corner for there to be some "success." There shouldn't be an excuse that they faced a better team, unless the argument is that regular season is irrelevant which circles right back to are they better? You can't say regular season proves they are a better team and then use the regular season isn't indicate of being the better team when they fail again in the post-season.

To me, they must find some / multiple hidden gems for the bottom 6.

The easiest way to make an impact is with a coaching change, if the players are unable to alter the outcome, and the blame won't be placed at the feet of those wearing skates, someone one has to pay the price.
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For me, Matthews/Marner,Rielly are the core.
You can’t move Tavares so that salary is stuck.

We need to change the dynamic.
A different hunger.
A few years ago Calgary made a deal and switched it up for Hanifin/Lindholm.

I would be looking to move Nylander (for a different type of forward core player) and Muzzin (for a younger, RHD if possible Rielly partner).

That’s where I would start. It would change the dynamic and send a message.
 
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Amadeus said:
The Flyers selected Nolan Patrick over this guy. That is rightfully a fireable offense (Hextall was GM I believe).
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phillyhockeynow.com

Clarke: Flyers’ scouts wanted Makar over Patrick, Hextall wouldn’t listen

Bob Clarke verbally blasted former Flyers general manager Ron Hextall on Tuesday for selecting Nolan Patrick with the No. 2 overall selection in the 2017 draft and bypassing defenseman Cale Makar. Patrick, 23, is now with Vegas, and his disappointing career has been filled with injuries. Makar...
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