Hopefully Wilson does something stupid in the playoffs that pisses off the capitals who than trade him to LA
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BigKing
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Love the decision. This is all about everyone just wanting to bury Wilson but what we have here is a small rabbit punch and then two guys wrestling around where the smaller guy winds up getting hurt.
Everyone wants to believe that Wilson viciously pulled Panarin's hair and then smashed his head into the ice because it fits their narrative and it involves a marquee team and a marquee player. Sorry guys: this isn't the play that gets him suspended for half a season or whatever.
Seriously...an opposing forward went in to the crease so he got roughed up. Then a guy out of his weight class got in a wrestling match on skates and took the worst of it, predictably.
If that's Evander Kane instead of Wilson, it is a four-to-five page thread. Wilson or Matthew Tkachuk and we should think about getting the police involved.
Everyone wants to believe that Wilson viciously pulled Panarin's hair and then smashed his head into the ice because it fits their narrative and it involves a marquee team and a marquee player. Sorry guys: this isn't the play that gets him suspended for half a season or whatever.
Seriously...an opposing forward went in to the crease so he got roughed up. Then a guy out of his weight class got in a wrestling match on skates and took the worst of it, predictably.
If that's Evander Kane instead of Wilson, it is a four-to-five page thread. Wilson or Matthew Tkachuk and we should think about getting the police involved.
Reaper45
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Wilson’s actions against guys way smaller than him is going to lead to him getting tomahawked in the head like Brashear by one of those smaller guys.
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I think you're the one who wants to believe something. If Wilson did that to Doughty and Kopitar, you'd be calling for his head.
tny760
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that's a lot more than a wrestling match on skates though, brother. he kicked through panarin's skates and threw him. that's a serious precedent to set. the only way i want to compare it to brashear is that he's proof of how much damage can be done by hitting your head on the ice from standing level, and if that's just a minor penalty with no fine, we're gonna be in a bad f***in place in a couple years when someone dies from it
BigKing
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I'd be calling for someone to do something about it on the Kings v. wanting the league to banish him for life.
This is all being sensationalized because it is Wilson. Will he eventually do something stupid enough to get a Torres-type suspension? Probably but, if/when it happens, it is going to be on a headshot and not due to a rabbit punch and then a wrestling match. Square up, bare knuckle fist fight is a simple major penalty but a little glove-on wrestling should be a season-long ban? C'mon now. Even the fine is just for the little punch and I think the fine only happens because of who did it and all the pearl clutching that came with it.
Look at the Nolan and Lucic suspensions as Kings for sucker punches. Those were forceful with real intent. Wilson's looks "bad" because it is Wilson and the player is laying on the ice already but, c'mon on now, how many times does a guy fall into the crease or on the goalie and start getting punched? Quick does that and we love his fire and emotion but Wilson last night is being compared to Bertuzzi which is f***ing *wild*.
tny760
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i'm willing to back off some on the punch but the key is that yes, it IS tom wilson.. first time offenders get $5k spearing fines... this is way more than that from someone who's already surpassed the fine stage several times over. like if he's a repeat offender on the books and he only gets a max fine, that means they didn't think any of that even warranted a max fine... that's crazy to me.
all said and done, i just don't f*** with this wrestling and judo shit in hockey. stand up, drop your gloves and fight if there's a problem. no one's sore about it then.
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Punching a defenseless player in the head and driving heads into the ice seems a bit more excessive than standing up for a teammate and getting into a scrum. I guess the league will just allow the players to fend for themselves. Wednesday night should be interesting...
Probably just me, I thought Doughty's hit on Garland was much worse than what Wilson did.....from what I saw, Buchenivic crashed the crease and got knocked down into Wilson, Wilson punched him, Panarin jumped on Wilson and lost......Doughty's hit on Garland....very surprised nothing was called on that.
Yes, past actions by said person factor greatly into judging current behavior, that should be no surprise in hockey or in life. You want to minimize the punch to the head of a guy face down on the ice, well ok. You want to minimize him body slamming a guy without a helmet onto his head? Well let's just say everyone is thankful funeral plans aren't being made right now.
The real problem is thinking Wilson has a brain capable of thinking at all.
BigKing
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Wilson can't win if Panarin jumps on his back and starts getting physical with him. I guess he could drop the gloves and pummel him but he'd get crucified for that. If someone like Mark Stone jumped on MacDermid's back and started acting tough, I'd love for MacD to drop the gloves and send him packing. It is an advantage for the team with the tough guy for the other team's best skilled player to get involved with said tough guy. Wilson didn't go looking for Panarin: Panarin effed around and found out, as the kids say. I think the kids say that, anyways.
As for spearing fines, I'm for those all day long. Stick infractions have and always will be looked at more harshly than sucker punches unless said sucker punch is of Bertuzzi proportions which, again, had more to do with the lead up to that sucker punch and the broken neck came from Bertuzzi putting him into the ice. Matt Johnson ended Buekeboom's career with an insane sucker punch in the 98-99 season and got 12 games as a repeat offender. One season later, McSorley is brought up on charges and basically suspended for life for the Brashear incident. One was a punch, one was a stick but the former actually ended a career while the latter saw Brashear continue to be a POS for several more seasons. Anyways, I know hockey has changed but I grew up when spearing and butt-ends were the worst things since it brought the use of a "weapon" in to play.
I don't think what Wilson did last night was way more than a spear. You have to buy in to the belief from this slo-mo Zapruder film that Wilson was like "I'm going to pull is hair and--now that I see his helmet is off--I'm going to try and smash his head in to the ice". With Wilson's rep, I get why someone wants to believe that but I'm not part of that group. Now, he definitely meant to give Buch a shot which I have no real problem with since there was hardly any force behind it.
Just because something that is a pretty benign roughing minor is done by Tom Wilson doesn't mean it becomes a felony. Most of the hockey world--especially Millenial and younger Twitter--want him out of the league so they try to get him for tax evasion Al Capone style. Well, it doesn't appear the league is going to play along with that so he is actually going to have to earn that sentence. When/if he does, I'll say that he deserves it if it is that egregious but, until then, I can't look at something like this and call for a playoff ban or some garbage like that.
I do understand it from Kings fans though. This little scrum makes a Kings game look like Charlestown v. Syracuse with scouts in attendance.
I just wonder why Wilson seems to get the most grief. He's no different than Tkachuk or Reaves.
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i guess we're gonna have to agree to disagree here, i still think you're grossly minimizing that panarin throw. i don't think he was pulling hair like people are hung up on, but that spin and kick through is enough proof of intent for me. that shit ain't cool, helmet or no, but i'm already a broken record on my opinion of f***ing with guys' skates
BigKing
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Wilson is actually a good hockey player so that differentiates him from Reaves.
A big part of it is what time zone Wilson plays in. Much like Tkachuk, he gets a lot more grief because he isn't just a 4th liner like Reaves is.
Dustin Brown was hated--still is by some--by pretty much every division rival fan base because of how often he used to hit. The fact that he never got in trouble with it just made those people even more pissed off. When you have a player like that scoring 20-30 goals on a top line and not simply being a Cal Clutterbuck, opposing teams fans despise them. Well, Wilson gets to piss off the Rangers/Bruins/Penguins/Flyers etc so he gets a lot pf publicity. Brown under-the-radar infuriated division rival fan bases but he didn't become a real league-wide "f*** this guy" until 2012 when people from all over the league started watching the Kings. From that point on, Brown has pretty much not been able to draw penalties when he was easily one of the best in the league before then.
Before anyone gets upset with me, I'm not saying that Wilson = Brown on the dirtiness level but they are guys you love(d) having on your team.
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I wish Reaves was on the Kings, he's a machine in Vegas. Would be awesome on a line with Lemieux.
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I don't see any excuse for punching a defenseless opponent in the back of the head when he's face down on the ice, driving his head into the ice. Wilson is tough enough that he doesn't need to do it. That's not at all 'a play I'd love on my team,' that's utter chicken shit play.
I don't think he put much thought into the slam on Panarin, but it just exemplifies his lack of respect--where other players would hold up a defenseless opponent from falling and cracking their skull, Wilson actively tried to drive Panarin's head into the ice as well, not just with the slam but another follow up punch while Panarin was on his back, on the ice, helmetless.
That's two downed opponents that Wilson tried to smash their heads into the ice. That's not 'tough' defensible play that I want. I generally like Wilson's play even on the edge when he's standing up because he has no problem getting face to face with guys. But this is cowardly horseshit that has no place in the game and Wilson is just fortunate there are no broken necks around today.
And trying to pardon it by pretending it's just a vendetta against Wilson is a cowardly cop out, as well. "cancel," really? f*** out of here with that. These are Chris Simon level actions. And I say that as a guy who would otherwise LOVE Wilson on the Kings.
I don't think he put much thought into the slam on Panarin, but it just exemplifies his lack of respect--where other players would hold up a defenseless opponent from falling and cracking their skull, Wilson actively tried to drive Panarin's head into the ice as well, not just with the slam but another follow up punch while Panarin was on his back, on the ice, helmetless.
That's two downed opponents that Wilson tried to smash their heads into the ice. That's not 'tough' defensible play that I want. I generally like Wilson's play even on the edge when he's standing up because he has no problem getting face to face with guys. But this is cowardly horseshit that has no place in the game and Wilson is just fortunate there are no broken necks around today.
And trying to pardon it by pretending it's just a vendetta against Wilson is a cowardly cop out, as well. "cancel," really? f*** out of here with that. These are Chris Simon level actions. And I say that as a guy who would otherwise LOVE Wilson on the Kings.
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So your solution is wait til he actually paralyzes someone? Oooook.
I was shocked nothing was called on Doughty either. When it happened i figured 5 and a game was warranted.
BigKing
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Agree to disagree. Last night was nothing like Chris Simon stomping on someone with a skate.
I think it's easy to say "I don't want that on my team" when it isn't on your team. I've seen this board defend Kings players left and right for dirty plays and also get pumped when they give it to someone because it is our guys being the bully. If Wilson was a King and Reaves slid into the crease like that and Wilson gave him that little pop, you'd like it. Forget it is Reaves...how about Stephenson? And then Mark Stone comes over and initiates with Wilson and they wrestle with Wilson getting the better of it. You'd like that too, right? This board would 90% be saying "don't go into the crease" and "don't pull Superman's cape".
If he tried to smash their heads into the ice, he isn't very good at it. Again, this is why if that is nearly anyone besides Wilson, it is just a scrum but it becomes attempted Bertuzzi/Moore or Severin/Sydor because it is Wilson. Now, I do agree that a lot of other players would have just "played it cool" with Panarin and nothing would have come of it but, sorry, I want my tough guy to toss the other team's best player around if he has the balls enough to start messing with said tough guy.
If the Rangers don't like it then do something about it but that's kind of the point: it is a huge advantage in the new NHL to have a player that can fight, hit and keep up on a top line. While Reaves can't keep up on a top line, he can play well enough to take a regular shift and can basically do whatever the hell he wants out there because the world decided it was better to have a Nick Shore-type on the 4th line than a Stu Grimson. Wilson is in the same boat with most of the teams he is going to face so he will take advantage: he's a bully. What he did last night was bully-type shit but it wasn't over-the-top or with some serious intent to injure. If the latter were the case, he would have actually smashed Buch's face into the ice and then he would have done the same to Panarin.
Is he on the edge? Sure. He just didn't go over last night but he teased it. The anti-Wilson crowd wants him gone so badly that they are treating this tease like a three-day orgy.
the punch to Buch is the only thing i could see issue with. If Wilson was a King I would love it if he got a chance to ragdoll the other teams top player. It is too bad Panarin got injured there though
BigKing
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Yeah. That's totally fair. I just don't think the punch was very hard: not suspension-worthy at least.
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You're being dramatic. Which was the point of my post, to point out how people are over reacting.
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