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Around the League 2018-2019 Part 3

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KINGS17 said:
Just so we are clear not a single team with a player with a cap hit over $10M has won a Stanley Cup.
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This is one of those arguments people really need to put a little thought into before posting. The salary cap goes up. 10M contracts are a relatively new concept. 1 out of 31 teams wins the Stanley Cup every season. There's not nearly enough data to conclude whether a 10M contract has any meaningful impact on a teams ability to win a Stanley Cup.

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In 2008 Lidstrom had a cap hit of 7.6M against a 50.3M cap. 15.1% of the cap
In 2009 Crosby had a cap hit of 8.7M against a 56.7M cap. 15.3% of the cap
In 2011 Chara had a cap hit of 7.5M against a 59.4M cap. 12.6% of the cap
In 2016 Malkin had a cap hit of 9.5M against a 71.4M cap. 13.3% of the cap
In 2017 Malkin had a cap hit of 9.5M against a 73M cap. 13% of the cap
In 2018 Ovechkin had a cap hit of 9.5M against a 75M cap. 12.7% of the cap

10M of the current 81.5M Salary Cap is 12.2%

10M now is a lower percentage of the cap than the highest paid player on 6 of the last 12 cup winners.
 
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redcard said:
This is one of those arguments people really need to put a little thought into before posting. The salary cap goes up. 10M contracts are a relatively new concept. 1 out of 31 teams wins the Stanley Cup every season. There's not nearly enough data to conclude whether a 10M contract has any meaningful impact on a teams ability to win a Stanley Cup.

Furthermore:

In 2008 Lidstrom had a cap hit of 7.6M against a 50.3M cap. 15.1% of the cap
In 2009 Crosby had a cap hit of 8.7M against a 56.7M cap. 15.3% of the cap
In 2011 Chara had a cap hit of 7.5M against a 59.4M cap. 12.6% of the cap
In 2016 Malkin had a cap hit of 9.5M against a 71.4M cap. 13.3% of the cap
In 2017 Malkin had a cap hit of 9.5M against a 73M cap. 13% of the cap
In 2018 Ovechkin had a cap hit of 9.5M against a 75M cap. 12.7% of the cap

10M of the current 81.5M Salary Cap is 12.2%

10M now is a lower percentage of the cap than the highest paid player on 6 of the last 12 cup winners.
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Good analysis, and what you laid out here shows why I think a cap hit’s % of the cap that particular year is more relevant than the actual dollar amount.
 
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I was waiting for more info to come out about Kuznetsov. Most fans here don't realize just how close Kuznetsov is to having his NHL career end because of his cocaine use.

US immigration is certainly paying attention.
 
Stimpythecat said:
I was waiting for more info to come out about Kuznetsov. Most fans here don't realize just how close Kuznetsov is to having his NHL career end because of his cocaine use.

US immigration is certainly paying attention.
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According to HF, it's about as big a deal as drinking coffee.
 
kingsholygrail said:
According to HF, it's about as big a deal as drinking coffee.
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Seriously. Reading that thread you'd think the average person is blasting a mountain once a day in the middle of the supermarket.

Kuz should be screwed, honestly. Even without judging the 'role model'/morality angle, there's recreational drug use quietly behind closed doors (which I'm certain happens plenty in the NHL) and then there's Kuz's open, flippant "f*** you" drug use and blatantly lying to everyone about it. How stupid or cocky do you have to be to play in a tourney that you know will test you and then literally do drugs in the testing window?

If the NHL wants to continue to at least keep up the appearances of not having drug issues, they can't just blatantly ignore this. Edit: looks like they already addressed it and issued a plan/statement, so it'll definitely go away now, unless he Josh Gordons it up.
 
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Legionnaire said:
Considering big pharma has been pushing oxy on the nation for almost two decades creating millions of addicts and causing thousands upon thousands of OD deaths and there hadn't a Congressional hearing until this year, I can understand why.
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To me, the point is less that he's actually doing it--see what I said above re: recreational drug use behind closed doors--and more because of his reckless and cavalier use of it.

I'm sure most of us cite examples of friends or relatives or players or whatever going on absolute benders of booze/drugs but if they were to film themselves with a Tony Montana special they'd get in trouble too. Kuznetsov should be no different. Discretion. He had none. AND lied.

Bonus footage, Giroux's "holy shit at this guy" reaction is priceless

 
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Unless something more comes out, if US immigration is going to yank his visa, they will respond soon. It will take about 10 days or so to process any work visa revocation paperwork and mail it out to the caps. Of course, nothing says the caps have to announce it.

We'll have a better idea if he doesn't show up for camp on Sept. 12.
 
Stimpythecat said:
Unless something more comes out, if US immigration is going to yank his visa, they will respond soon. It will take about 10 days or so to process any work visa revocation paperwork and mail it out to the caps. Of course, nothing says the caps have to announce it.

We'll have a better idea if he doesn't show up for camp on Sept. 12.
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I don't think they're going to do anything.
 
kingsholygrail said:
I don't think they're going to do anything.
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I am not so sure.

The problem is that Kuznetsov admitted he tested positive for a banned substance and is accepting the 4 year ban. That normally isn't enough to count as an admission of illegal controlled substance use since other things are banned that are not controlled substances.

The wrinkle is that Bill Daly openly said his understanding is it was cocaine. Daly is in a position to be infomed about the test results and is part of the league office. That is an official statement. Kuznetsov has had an opportunity to refute the claim and has not done so. My understanding is that failure to refute can be used as evidence under CA state law. But immigration is federal. I don't recall if there is a similar provision as the state law. Even still, it's a judgment call not a court.

That could be enough to have his work visa yanked. For cocaine, an admission of use absolutely would get his visa revoked.

This differs from Stoll in several critical areas. Law enforcement didn't catch stoll - private security did. So there is a chain of evidence issue and the case 100% depended on the private security showing up to testify and being believed. MGM also wouldn't cooperate for the reasons that pro athletes are high spending guests and they would lose their business. Stoll thus never admitted to law enforcement or in court that he used cocaine. In his plea, he did not do that thus no immigration issues.

Training camp is around the corner. One thing is certain, we'll know or have a better idea shortly.
 
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Stimpythecat said:
I am not so sure.

The problem is that Kuznetsov admitted he tested positive for a banned substance and is accepting the 4 year ban. That normally isn't enough to count as an admission of illegal controlled substance use since other things are banned that are not controlled substances.

The wrinkle is that Bill Daly openly said his understanding is it was cocaine. Daly is in a position to be infomed about the test results and is part of the league office. That is an official statement. Kuznetsov has had an opportunity to refute the claim and has not done so. My understanding is that failure to refute can be used as evidence under CA state law. But immigration is federal. I don't recall if there is a similar provision as the state law. Even still, it's a judgment call not a court.

That could be enough to have his work visa yanked. For cocaine, an admission of use absolutely would get his visa revoked.

This differs from Stoll in several critical areas. Law enforcement didn't catch stoll - private security did. So there is a chain of evidence issue and the case 100% depended on the private security showing up to testify and being believed. MGM also wouldn't cooperate for the reasons that pro athletes are high spending guests and they would lose their business. Stoll thus never admitted to law enforcement or in court that he used cocaine. In his plea, he did not do that thus no immigration issues.

Training camp is around the corner. One thing is certain, we'll know or have a better idea shortly.
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Kuznetsov is too relevant for the NHL to do anything. If he was a scrub, they'd be quick to make an example out of him.
 
Stimpythecat said:
You don't need to be charged with a crime. All it takes is an admission. Kate Moss and Nigella Lawson were never charged or arrested with anything. Charlie heaton was never charged or arrested.

Why would Kate Moss Have US Visa Problems?

Kate Moss Can't Actually Work in the U.S. — The Fashion Law

https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/charlie-heaton-denied-entry-drugs-1.4377015
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Stimpy is right here guy

The only variable is being a government agency, they tend to not always follow the same patterns. Certain people and certain offenses are treated differently. They tend to let certain things go, while throwing the book at Kate Moss and Voynov (Because of our relationship with Russia at the time)
This will be interesting to watch

Cocaine could really be a hot button issue for our government with the recent recreational use legalization in Mexico.
 
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KopitarFAN said:


The 3 annual magazines all have the same 4 teams finishing last in their divisions.
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"The Kings are picked to finish last by EVERYBODY."

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KingsFan7824 said:
Yeah, absolute tanking isn't quite worth it anymore. That's why the league does what it does with the lottery. Can't really even call it getting boned. The league just doesn't want the "be horrible for ____" campaigns.
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At this point, can we even call it tanking? In this case of this team, and this season, it's more like playing the cards you're dealt. We know there is a pretty good chance this team is bad, but there is some chance they are decent and fighting for a WC spot in march. Injuries and regression to norms for key players will decide that.
 
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