definitely looking around. Remember a few years ago thornton did the same (LA was a finalist for him) till San Jose eventually re-signed him. This feels like that to me, except two things 1)I think Pavelski will be looking for term and security at his age 2) San Jose does not have the cap space to overpay on a 1 year deal.
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definitely looking around. Remember a few years ago thornton did the same (LA was a finalist for him) till San Jose eventually re-signed him. This feels like that to me, except two things 1)I think Pavelski will be looking for term and security at his age 2) San Jose does not have the cap space to overpay on a 1 year deal.
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Pavelski is a 34-year old, but he has always been a solid mid-60's point producer, and in good years reaches the mid-70's in point production. I don't think two years is out of line for him, but I bet he is looking for one or two more years than that, and I don't think it would be a wise move for most GMs. Case in point, look at how Marleau's extra year on his deal bit Toronto in the ass.
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Yeah, I have taken the the PSP to SEA flight a couple of times. They offer one non-stop each way every day.
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Why are the Hawks in all these rumors for big name player? I don't think they should be pursuing them and let the kids fit into the roles. I don't know a lot about their youth core but I don't think it's bad (unless I'm wrong lol)
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Kane is also wasting good individual seasons lately. Toews also just had his career high in goals and points. Not too different from the 17-18 Kings. Sort of want to strike while the old guys might still have it. DeBrincat seems like he'll be ok. Strome came in and produced like a 3rd overall pick. If Chicago finishes 30th next year after quitting on day 1 of camp, they might change their tune again.
Crawford needs to stay healthy for them or they need to bring in a better back up. Toews could have the kopitar regression this year however some of the moves their GM made look really good (strome) that should help the hawks out if there is regression from their older players.
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I was pissed LA gave Kovalchuk 3 years, but based on last year LA will not be competing next year anyway so who cares. haha
10.5 million represents a cap hit of 12.8% of the 2018-19 salary cap.
In 2009 the Penguins won the Stanley Cup with Crosby taking up 15.4%.
In 2010 the Bruins won the Stanley Cup with Chara taking up 13.2%.
In 2016 the Penguins won the Stanley Cup with Malkin taking up 13.3%.
It seriously astonishes me how someone so arrogant in their condescension could continue to argue in raw numbers with regards to cap hit.
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Chara was 2011 and it was 12.62%, but I get your point.
The counterpoint is that we are talking about Crosby, Malkin and 2011 Chara in the last year of a UFA contract he signed when he left Ottawa. The latter isn't in the formers' range as a player but he was still a monster in 2011.
It can work with the right player but we are talking the elite and in their prime. Crosby jumps up in 2009 but Malkin's cap hit was below $1MM hahaha. Combine the two and that percentage plummets and it is easy to see why they were able to still win. Then it took them years to get back once both guys had the big dollars.
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Yeah, because Kopitar, Toews and Doughty have been playing like like Crosby, Malkin, and Chara circa 2010.
What is astonishing is how you don't get the connection, and how you continue to compare players like Kopitar and Toews to Crosby and Malkin. Nice cherry picking by the way.
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...and the Blackhawks still missed the playoffs. I don't think Kane and Toews will have the staying power to make the Blackhawks contenders again before their time runs out.
92 point Kopitar in 2018 could not be far off from Crosby/Malkin
Thing is that definitely seems like a career high that will not be beat.
Thing is that definitely seems like a career high that will not be beat.
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This is Sidney Crosby. In terms of offensive production and overall play, Kopitar is not in Crosby's league, but really there aren't any who are in Crosby's league.
| 2005-06 | Pittsburgh Penguins | NHL | 81 | 39 | 63 | 102 | 110 | -1 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| 2006-07 | Pittsburgh Penguins | NHL | 79 | 36 | 84 | 120 | 60 | 10 | 5 | 3 | 2 | 5 | 4 |
| 2007-08 | Pittsburgh Penguins | NHL | 53 | 24 | 48 | 72 | 39 | 18 | 20 | 6 | 21 | 27 | 12 |
| 2008-09 | Pittsburgh Penguins | NHL | 77 | 33 | 70 | 103 | 76 | 3 | 24 | 15 | 16 | 31 | 14 |
| 2009-10 | Pittsburgh Penguins | NHL | 81 | 51 | 58 | 109 | 71 | 15 | 13 | 6 | 13 | 19 | 6 |
| 2010-11 | Pittsburgh Penguins | NHL | 41 | 32 | 34 | 66 | 31 | 20 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| 2011-12 | Pittsburgh Penguins | NHL | 22 | 8 | 29 | 37 | 14 | 15 | 6 | 3 | 5 | 8 | 9 |
| 2012-13 | Pittsburgh Penguins | NHL | 36 | 15 | 41 | 56 | 16 | 26 | 14 | 7 | 8 | 15 | 8 |
| 2013-14 | Pittsburgh Penguins | NHL | 80 | 36 | 68 | 104 | 46 | 18 | 13 | 1 | 8 | 9 | 4 |
| 2014-15 | Pittsburgh Penguins | NHL | 77 | 28 | 56 | 84 | 47 | 5 | 5 | 2 | 2 | 4 | 0 |
| 2015-16 | Pittsburgh Penguins | NHL | 80 | 36 | 49 | 85 | 42 | 19 | 24 | 6 | 13 | 19 | 4 |
| 2016-17 | Pittsburgh Penguins | NHL | 75 | 44 | 45 | 89 | 24 | 17 | 24 | 8 | 19 | 27 | 10 |
| 2017-18 | Pittsburgh Penguins | NHL | 82 | 29 | 60 | 89 | 46 | 0 | 12 | 9 | 12 | 21 | 6 |
| 2018-19 | Pittsburgh Penguins | NHL | 79 | 35 | 65 | 100 | 36 | 18 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 |
Well, that is fine that it can only work with a certain player. My point is that using raw cap numbers to be a smartass is kind of dumb when the salary cap continuously rises.
It's kind of like saying that no team has ever won the cup with a cap hit above 79.4 million, so we can eliminate any teams that go over that threshold this season. Same logic.
Care to explain how it is 2+2=4?
You said that a team could not win a cup with a 10.5 million player, while ignoring that the cap changes every season. I showed you examples of teams with players who had greater cap hit % that won cups recently. You replied that Doughty and Kopitar suck, which is a completely different argument.
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Big King already explained it to you. Every time it comes up you want to run and point out Crosby and Malkin. It's an invalid comparison, because Crosby and Malkin are in a class by themselves.
Any player that doesn't play like Crosby and Malkin, and eats up that much cap space, well their contract sucks.
The cap doesn't rise fast enough, that is unless you were Sidney Crosby and signed a cap circumventing contract for way more than 8 years, then maybe the cap has a chance to catch up like it did in Pittsburgh. Additionally, when Crosby signed his last 12-year contract he was 26 years old. Not to mention he was the best player in the entire world.
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"Well, other than these exceptions that I randomly determine to fit my argument this is a hard rule"
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If you can't see the difference, that's on you. BTW, how long did it take for Pittsburgh to get back into contention after Crosby and Malkin both got their money?
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