Around the League 2018-19 Offseason Part II

[My3Sons]

Then you have to take more out for taxes, which like it or not is becoming a topic with some in the league. NJ is not the worst but not the best. Well situated in bottom half of league as far as most beneficial places to place tax wise. Could impact how willing a player is to give a big discount when youre already taking a haircut automatically. Just saying.

Absolutely. That's why I figure the discount is between 10 and 11. Figure someone would give him 12 for 7 if he left. You know TB would expect him to take about 9. Dallas would be his best bet for his biggest payday. I don't see them offering 14 or something like that. Then they have to give Seguin a bit more than that. I figure Dallas would offer 12. Maybe in NJ that's worth 11 (the state income tax level is about 9% above 500k. It's deductible from your federal taxes I believe so the effective rate is maybe 7%? A bit of a discount and maybe you are at 10.5? Nothing crazy, but if Hall wants to win he'll leave a few dollars on the table. I have a feeling that Shero Harris and Blitzer will show him the love and care and Hall will like that. If need be, they'll roll out the big guns and have Nico take him to a matinee movie like AntMan or Justice League, but not Deadpool, since that's rated R and Nico's parents don't like him to hear the cursing.

 

[Devils731]

The taxes thing is way overblown on this site. Yeah, Canadian teams have to pay guys a little more, and teams in states without income tax can pay a little less. It's not make-or-break.

Just from a pure numbers perspective, on a $70 million dollar cap it gives Florida teams effectively $73.5 million in purchasing power versus a Californian teams $70 million. $3.5 million isn’t the end of the world but it’s not bad.

But I agree it’s just one of many factors on why a player may choose one city over another. Should there be a cap penalty on teams that play where the weather is nice or travel is easier too?

 

[Devils731]

Absolutely. That's why I figure the discount is between 10 and 11. Figure someone would give him 12 for 7 if he left. You know TB would expect him to take about 9. Dallas would be his best bet for his biggest payday. I don't see them offering 14 or something like that. Then they have to give Seguin a bit more than that. I figure Dallas would offer 12. Maybe in NJ that's worth 11 (the state income tax level is about 9% above 500k. It's deductible from your federal taxes I believe so the effective rate is maybe 7%? A bit of a discount and maybe you are at 10.5? Nothing crazy, but if Hall wants to win he'll leave a few dollars on the table. I have a feeling that Shero Harris and Blitzer will show him the love and care and Hall will like that. If need be, they'll roll out the big guns and have Nico take him to a matinee movie like AntMan or Justice League, but not Deadpool, since that's rated R and Nico's parents don't like him to hear the cursing.

You can only deduct $10k in state, local, and property taxes if married(5 if single). So most hockey guys will bear the full brunt of the state taxes.

 

[My3Sons]

But the CBA has a clause within in that even if there's no law against something, the NHL reserves the right to deem anything against the spirit of the agreement and strike it down. Now if you're arguing that the NHL should've struck down the Hossa deal, I'm in full agreement there too. But the Kovalchuk deal had more minimum salary years in it than all of the back-diving deals combined.

It will be discussed most likely. As others have said, once you take into account the tax payments to the other locales, and that the home state tax implications are actually 50% of what they could be, that may make the difference less than is talked about. I'm sure whoever does the taxes for the FL players right now could explain it. It's tricky, and it also depends upon your lifestyle. You can live by a beach in FL which is pretty nice in the winter, but there are things offered by the tribe-state area that FL doesn't have. Same with TX. Dallas is nice in the suburbs, but there is no beach and It's got a very different vibe than either FL or NY/NJ. I've got family in all three places. I like what each has to offer. That said, you are going to spend a lot more to live in NY/NJ.

 

[My3Sons]

You can only deduct $10k in state, local, and property taxes if married(5 if single). So most hockey guys will bear the full brunt of the state taxes.

Maybe they can pay Hall in crypto-currency and he can convert it in an offshore account in Grand Cayman.

 

[My3Sons]

Just from a pure numbers perspective, on a $70 million dollar cap it gives Florida teams effectively $73.5 million in purchasing power versus a Californian teams $70 million. $3.5 million isn’t the end of the world but it’s not bad.

But I agree it’s just one of many factors on why a player may choose one city over another. Should there be a cap penalty on teams that play where the weather is nice or travel is easier too?

Assuming that is the real difference over 70 mil, that's really only one year of a bridge deal for a good but not great young player.

 

[None Shall Pass]

I laughed.

 

[JrFischer54]

The depth of emotion here = the right choice. I'm glad he took the offer from St. Louis, everyone deserves this kind of happiness in life

You guys are funny. You realize no one made him play hockey for a living making millions of dollars and being away from his kid? You realize that him being away even for x amount of years will mean his kid will have a life way better then most can even dream. But yeah let’s just forget that he CHOSE to be away to begin with and then congratulate him for making the “right” choice. But yeah I’ll be the bad guy to post this. Sorry not sorry

 

[SKNJD9]

You guys are funny. You realize no one made him play hockey for a living making millions of dollars and being away from his kid? You realize that him being away even for x amount of years will mean his kid will have a life way better then most can even dream. But yeah let’s just forget that he CHOSE to be away to begin with and then congratulate him for making the “right” choice. But yeah I’ll be the bad guy to post this. Sorry not sorry

There's always one.

 

[JrFischer54]

I'm not ignoring that. I too think he will resign.

But if thats all true, then there is no reason that he won't do it on or around July 1, 2019. If he does not, then you have to move him. If he's thrilled with the organization, then he'll sign. If he's not, then he won't, and no amount of praises sung on podcasts can make up for the lack of a signature at that point. It's black and white as of this coming July 1.

I’m not disagreeing with you but just read the guy above your post. (Half joking I hope) of a stempniak reunion. If Hall has to deal with pto that turn line mates for another two years 15 million won’t keep him. Sooner or later real help will have to be brought in.

Again this doesn’t mean through just ufa

 

[JrFischer54]

There's always one.

I’m more then happy to be that one. Sorry I don’t get gushy over guys making millions and by choice living away from their family. Sorry

 

[Bleedred]

Here's the fearful state.

''Hall is gonna leave! We might sign Stempniak and Hall is gonna leave!''.

I’m not disagreeing with you but just read the guy above your post. (Half joking I hope) of a stempniak reunion. If Hall has to deal with pto that turn line mates for another two years 15 million won’t keep him. Sooner or later real help will have to be brought in.

Again this doesn’t mean through just ufa

Come on man. Hall has been here for TWO years now and what linemates has he had that were PTO's in his entire time here? Hischier wasn't a PTO, Bratt wasn't a PTO, Palmieri wasn't a PTO, Zajac wasn't a PTO. I don't even remember who else he's played with, but I'm pretty sure he hasn't played regularly with any jabroni's since he's been here, let alone a PTO player.

If we sign a PTO player, he likely won't be playing with Hall, barring major injury depletion to the roster.

 

[JrFischer54]

Here's the fearful state.

''Hall is gonna leave! We might sign Stempniak and Hall is gonna leave!''.

Come on man. Hall has been here for TWO years now and what linemates has he had that were PTO's in his entire time here? Hischier wasn't a PTO, Bratt wasn't a PTO, Palmieri wasn't a PTO, Zajac wasn't a PTO. I don't even remember who else he's played with, but I'm pretty sure he hasn't played regularly with any jabroni's since he's been here, let alone a PTO player.

If we sign a PTO player, he likely won't be playing with Hall, barring major injury depletion to the roster.

Sorry wrong choice linemate. Glad that word hung you up

 

[Bleedred]

Sorry wrong choice linemate. Glad that word hung you up

What wrong choice linemate has he had? Zajac in 16-17 maybe? And it's not like Zajac was some bum. He actually had a pretty good season in 16-17.

 

[SKNJD9]

I’m more then happy to be that one. Sorry I don’t get gushy over guys making millions and by choice living away from their family. Sorry

He never had the chance to play at home an his family didn't want to leave. Sure he's playing for the love of the game but also to support his family now an after his career is over. You're being sour just to be sour or "edgy" an you just come off like a jerk for the sake of being a jerk.

 

[JrFischer54]

He never had the chance to play at home an his family didn't want to leave. Sure he's playing for the love of the game but also to support his family now an after his career is over. You're being sour just to be sour or "edgy" an you just come off like a jerk for the sake of being a jerk.

Not trying to be edgy at all and I’m fine coming off as a jerk. But your making it sound like the guy bravely sacrificed leaving his family doing peace core work. Again he chose to be away from his family playing a game. Good for him making millions doing it. He easily could’ve got a 9-5 job in the saint Louis area and make a lot less but see his family a lot more no?

 

[JrFischer54]

What wrong choice linemate has he had? Zajac in 16-17 maybe? And it's not like Zajac was some bum. He actually had a pretty good season in 16-17.

The wrong word being linemate. Implying the scrubs are playing with him.

Let’s just see what happens in two years.

 

[JrFischer54]

The hossa trade today did it involve cap space or actual dollars Arizona has to pay hossa contract? And are those prospects going to them anygood? Also couldn’t the hawks put him on ltir

 

[Billdo]

You guys are funny. You realize no one made him play hockey for a living making millions of dollars and being away from his kid? You realize that him being away even for x amount of years will mean his kid will have a life way better then most can even dream. But yeah let’s just forget that he CHOSE to be away to begin with and then congratulate him for making the “right” choice. But yeah I’ll be the bad guy to post this. Sorry not sorry

Who said anyone forced him to be away from his kid? It's a nice story. He gets to be around his child way more often now while making a living. There's obviously a lot to the story as he's not with his kids mother anymore so maybe she left him in Edmonton or something. If that's the case than it is an even nicer story for them to be reunited. Nobody is making this out to be anything other than a nice story, which it is. Nice try being "that guy" but it's not really effective.

 

[glenwo2]

Who said anyone forced him to be away from his kid? It's a nice story. He gets to be around his child way more often now while making a living. There's obviously a lot to the story as he's not with his kids mother anymore so maybe she left him in Edmonton or something. If that's the case than it is an even nicer story for them to be reunited. Nobody is making this out to be anything other than a nice story, which it is. Nice try being "that guy" but it's not really effective.

JrFischer54 is not a nice person. lol

But anyway, I have zero issue with Maroon heading for St. Louis to be with his son. Good for him.

 

[Edmonton East]

The hossa trade today did it involve cap space or actual dollars Arizona has to pay hossa contract? And are those prospects going to them anygood? Also couldn’t the hawks put him on ltir

Believe I read Zona pays $200k a year, since the contract was 80% insured (he is due 1 million). Cap hit is over 5.

 

[Smitty426]

Is there any chance Carolina considers moving Haydn Fleury? With Da Haan signed for 4 years and Slavin the top lefty for 7 more does Fleury stand a chance to seeing a top pair ever?
As a follow up he's 22 and a RFA next year, from what I've read he's a big kid who can skate but not a offensive d man. We kind of have that now (could always use more). I have seen a lot of offers for Faulk but what would it cost us for Haydn (and yeah that's how its spelled!). Just kicking another can, these other offers are a little stale.

 

[Cage Helmet]

Not trying to be edgy at all and I’m fine coming off as a jerk. But your making it sound like the guy bravely sacrificed leaving his family doing peace core work. Again he chose to be away from his family playing a game. Good for him making millions doing it. He easily could’ve got a 9-5 job in the saint Louis area and make a lot less but see his family a lot more no?

As someone who is on the road a lot for work and has to sometimes spend a month away from my wife, I think it’s unreasonable to ask him to take a 9-5 job to be near his family. I love doing what I do much more than working that stagnating 9-5 job and coming home to the same routine nightly. And plus I get more downtime with this job and when I’m home I get to be home all day. It’s unreasonable to ask a pro hockey player to stop playing pro hockey and take a regular job.

 

[SKNJD9]

 

[My3Sons]

You guys are funny. You realize no one made him play hockey for a living making millions of dollars and being away from his kid? You realize that him being away even for x amount of years will mean his kid will have a life way better then most can even dream. But yeah let’s just forget that he CHOSE to be away to begin with and then congratulate him for making the “right” choice. But yeah I’ll be the bad guy to post this. Sorry not sorry

You sound like you don’t have kids? You aren’t wrong but it’s complicated and it’s not really about him so much as his young son.