Around the League 2018-19 IV

[R8Devs]

Hope nothing happens today, I'm off tomorrow an dont want to fall asleep watching tsn lol

i'm the opposite lol, i have a lot of work tomorrow so I'm hoping at least all Devils related stuff happens today but I don't think that'll happen.

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

People really need to stop using Boyle as some sort of barometer for the rest of these trades involving forwards. Not just here; I see it all over the trade board, too.

Completely different commodities, acquired to play completely different roles... the price of Boyle has absolutely nothing to do with the price of Zuccarello, Johansson, etc...

 

[Devils Dominion]

MTL could really use MarJo

 

[NJDevs26]

People really need to stop using Boyle as some sort of barometer for the rest of these trades involving forwards. Not just here; I see it all over the trade board, too.

Completely different commodities, acquired to play completely different roles... the price of Boyle has absolutely nothing to do with the price of Zuccarello, Johansson, etc...

Zucc and Johansson are similar type players though, with Zucc being a little better of a scoring winger. So it makes sense people think Johansson will get back less (though I'd be happy with a 2 and a lower pick). Boyle and other guys like defensemen and centers, I agree there's no comparison but similar role players to each other are going to get compared. Just like Lovejoy should be compared only with other stay-at-home defensemen that get moved.

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

Zucc and Johansson are similar type players though, with Zucc being a little better of a scoring winger. So it makes sense people think Johansson will get back less. Boyle and other guys like defensemen and centers, I agree there's no comparison but similar role players are going to get compared.

Of course they are; that's why I grouped them together.

My issue is with those that say "Boyle got a 2nd, how the hell did Zucc only get 2nd + 3rd" or "Friggin Boyle got a 2nd.. Nyquist will easily get a 1st+" - which I've seen all over these boards. It's faulty logic.

 

[Davegarri]

Would anyone here entertain EDM's package of Lucic with Puljujarvi?

I don't really think I'd do it, but I'd consider it if it didn't cost much just because we need another solid RW. If Puljujarvi could develop it would make it worth it, but that's a big if.

 

[Blender]

Would anyone here entertain EDM's package of Lucic with Puljujarvi?

I don't really think I'd do it, but I'd consider it if it didn't cost much just because we need another solid RW. If Puljujarvi could develop it would make it worth it, but that's a big if.

Lucic has 4 years left at $6 million AAV. I don't think I would do that deal even if we gave nothing up in return.

 

[devilsfan35]

Would anyone here entertain EDM's package of Lucic with Puljujarvi?

I don't really think I'd do it, but I'd consider it if it didn't cost much just because we need another solid RW. If Puljujarvi could develop it would make it worth it, but that's a big if.

If they add this year first then I would consider it.

 

[R8Devs]

Lucic has 4 years left at $6 million AAV. I don't think I would do that deal even if we gave nothing up in return.

yeah I would want a young player that's more established than Puljujarvi. If Puljujarvi doesn't turn around that means all you get from that deal is Lucic's contract with a NMC(so the Devils might have to protect him in the expansion draft if he doesn't waive it). too big of a risk for Puljujarvi imo. If the Devils were in year 1 of rebuilding yeah maybe I'd go for it, but not with this UFA class, Hall's extension, Nico/Bratt's contracts etc.

The only team that I think should take a deal like that is Ottawa because they can take some big money players because they are trading all of theirs sans Ryan away

 

[Blender]

yeah I would want a young player that's more established than Puljujarvi. If Puljujarvi doesn't turn around that means all you get from that deal is Lucic's contract with a NMC(so the Devils might have to protect him in the expansion draft if he doesn't waive it). too big of a risk for Puljujarvi imo. If the Devils were in year 1 of rebuilding yeah maybe I'd go for it, but not with this UFA class, Hall's extension, Nico/Bratt's contracts etc.

The only team that I think should take a deal like that is Ottawa because they can take some big money players because they are trading all of theirs sans Ryan away

If he had 2 years left, I probably do it as the risk is much lower on a 2 year deal. Hell no to that cap hit until he's 34 for only Puljujarvi.

 

[Devils Dominion]

Would anyone here entertain EDM's package of Lucic with Puljujarvi?

I don't really think I'd do it, but I'd consider it if it didn't cost much just because we need another solid RW. If Puljujarvi could develop it would make it worth it, but that's a big if.

Pulju is a bust

 

[Davegarri]

yeah I would want a young player that's more established than Puljujarvi. If Puljujarvi doesn't turn around that means all you get from that deal is Lucic's contract with a NMC(so the Devils might have to protect him in the expansion draft if he doesn't waive it). too big of a risk for Puljujarvi imo. If the Devils were in year 1 of rebuilding yeah maybe I'd go for it, but not with this UFA class, Hall's extension, Nico/Bratt's contracts etc.

The only team that I think should take a deal like that is Ottawa because they can take some big money players because they are trading all of theirs sans Ryan away

Ah good point. Didn't realize they gave him a NMC. f*** that.

 

[MartyOwns]

hmmmmmojo?

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

Would anyone here entertain EDM's package of Lucic with Puljujarvi?

I don't really think I'd do it, but I'd consider it if it didn't cost much just because we need another solid RW. If Puljujarvi could develop it would make it worth it, but that's a big if.

Puljujarvi isn't a sure enough thing to justify eating Lucic's contract at full value. He nose-dived from ~50 point annual production to just 10 goals and 34 points in 82 games last year, and only has 5 goals and 16 points in 61 games this year. Plays like 13 minutes a game.

That contract is and has been ugly, but we have yet to see the ugliest. It's going to be really bad, and I want no part of it.

 

[regulahbread]

I'd take on Lucic's contract if it had a year or two left, but no chance with four. It's beyond awful and I hope nobody bails the Oilers out of it.

 

[MartyOwns]

aaaaaaand zucc is hurt

 

[beekay414]

aaaaaaand zucc is hurt

Damn. It's crazy how fast NHLers make their debuts with their new teams.

 

[Nubmer6]

Damn. It's crazy how fast NHLers make their debuts with their new teams.

Yeah, well I think he already had his bags packed and was waiting at the airport for a trade to come down.

 

[Traitor Zach]

Wow. Zuccarello may be out for rest of regular season. Minimum 4 weeks. Could be a broken arm.

Yikes.

 

[beekay414]

Wow. Zuccarello may be out for rest of regular season. Minimum 4 weeks. Could be a broken arm.

Yikes.

Dang.

Maybe they miss the playoffs and that 3rd for Lovejoy turns out to be a really good 3rd!

 

[Ripshot 43]

aaaaaaand zucc is hurt

What happened?!?

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

Too bad for Dallas

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

That's some really bad luck on Dallas' part... holy cow.

I mean, they're fully invested, right? I don't think they can pull out of being all-in.

It's a shame they sunk all of their picks into Zuccarello. Otherwise, I'd say they're ripe for a fleecing, and I'd offer up Johansson.

 

[Devilsgrl35]

That's some really bad luck on Dallas' part... holy cow.

I mean, they're fully invested, right? I don't think they can pull out of being all-in.

It's a shame they sunk all of their picks into Zuccarello. Otherwise, I'd say they're ripe for a fleecing, and I'd offer up Johansson.

What sucks is Dallas already traded a 2nd and 2 3rds. What other assets do they have to trade to get a good player? They are tapped out.

 

[R8Devs]

For all that's gone wrong in Ottawa they should still be able to rebuild pretty well with the assets they have/going to get.
2 first rounds picks in 2018
Should have at least 2 first rounders in 2019.
Should have at least 2 first rounders in 2020.
Along with multiple picks in the 2nd and 3rd in both those years.

The problem is they do dumb trades like the Zibanejad one where they shoot themselves in the foot. They seem to be ok when it comes to getting talent from the draft.