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That Lindholm contract is going to be an absolute steal, but I think the world of him and less of guys like OEL.
 
Trolfoli said:
That would be great if they could talk him into retiring next year and make his salary up to him with a coaching/PR job. I'm sure no one would mind. :naughty:
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As opposed to Brown or Gaborik, Greene might be a guy they could trade to Vegas. 1 year left at $2.5m, that's nothing. Then a guy with a couple rings that has been a leader for years could sound good. They'd have to give them a little something for the effort, but I'm guessing it would cost far less than trying to dump the big problem contracts.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
As opposed to Brown or Gaborik, Greene might be a guy they could trade to Vegas. 1 year left at $2.5m, that's nothing. Then a guy with a couple rings that has been a leader for years could sound good. They'd have to give them a little something for the effort, but I'm guessing it would cost far less than trying to dump the big problem contracts.
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Except they would want a defenseman that could play, he can't. There will be much better options.
 
Just funny reading some of the goalie rumors. Flyers fans ginning up Mason to be this amazing goalie but for some reason they want to get rid of him asap.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
As opposed to Brown or Gaborik, Greene might be a guy they could trade to Vegas. 1 year left at $2.5m, that's nothing. Then a guy with a couple rings that has been a leader for years could sound good. They'd have to give them a little something for the effort, but I'm guessing it would cost far less than trying to dump the big problem contracts.
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I think as we have seen with Stoll and Richards, teams don't place much value on intangibles, leadership, Stanley Cup rings unless you can actually still play the game at an NHL level.
 
Mason
7 games, 5 starts
2 wins
4 losses
1 OT loss
GAA 3.15
SV% 0.886

Budaj
5 Games, 4 Starts
4 Wins
0 losses
0 OT loss
GAA 2.21
SV% 0.901

Edit: Wait was the a question?

Edit: Edit: Mason cap hit = 4.1M no wonder they want him traded.
 
The theory is that Mason, like Schneider, has a strong 5v5 save % for the last few years. That's literally it. Very few of these people will consider alternative viewpoints--like the Devils' defensive shell or the Flyers allowing lots of outside shots, only that everyone else is wrong and that their guy is the best in the league. Never mind the work one poster did showing how more shots = higher save %, etc.

Thus, despite us knowing what we're seeing, we're stupid for not taking on their guy for a highway robbery price, and we can't possibly know what we're talking about because non-hockey market etc, circle of life.
 
Trolfoli said:
Mason
7 games, 5 starts
2 wins
4 losses
1 OT loss
GAA 3.15
SV% 0.886

Budaj
5 Games, 4 Starts
4 Wins
0 losses
0 OT loss
GAA 2.21
SV% 0.901

Edit: Wait was the a question?

Edit: Edit: Mason cap hit = 4.1M no wonder they want him traded.
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The question is which would produce a better system goalie :sarcasm:
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
The theory is that Mason, like Schneider, has a strong 5v5 save % for the last few years. That's literally it. Very few of these people will consider alternative viewpoints--like the Devils' defensive shell or the Flyers allowing lots of outside shots, only that everyone else is wrong and that their guy is the best in the league. Never mind the work one poster did showing how more shots = higher save %, etc.

Thus, despite us knowing what we're seeing, we're stupid for not taking on their guy for a highway robbery price, and we can't possibly know what we're talking about because non-hockey market etc, circle of life.
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deeshamrock said:
Except they would want a defenseman that could play, he can't. There will be much better options.
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Sure, I'm just saying of the bad contracts the Kings have, in theory, Greene's could be the one that's possible to move, because it ends after next season. It wouldn't be cheap, like it wasn't for Chicago to get rid of Bickell.

Either way, whether Lombardi can trade him, or if they buy him out in June, or send him to Ontario next September, or if he retires, Greene probably won't be on the team in 17-18.

Herby said:
I think as we have seen with Stoll and Richards, teams don't place much value on intangibles, leadership, Stanley Cup rings unless you can actually still play the game at an NHL level.
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Those guys did still end up cashing a few checks in 15-16. After they were physically done. For teams that made the playoffs.

Not saying it's likely. Just of the contracts that someone wants Vegas to take, Greene's would be the one that might be doable, for the right price.
 
Trolfoli said:
Mason
7 games, 5 starts
2 wins
4 losses
1 OT loss
GAA 3.15
SV% 0.886

Budaj
5 Games, 4 Starts
4 Wins
0 losses
0 OT loss
GAA 2.21
SV% 0.901

Edit: Wait was the a question?

Edit: Edit: Mason cap hit = 4.1M no wonder they want him traded.
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I am not a Mason fan (mostly due to his confidence issues, all the way back to Colubmus. This year, he had a mini meltdown pregame 1 when he as not named the starter) and was annoyed they gave him that last contract. And I've been hoping he'd be traded since then, would rather have Nevuy in Net with Stolarz backing him up for a couple years.
But Mason is a better goalie than Budaj, who is a product of the team and defensive system in front of him.
 
I think Mason is generally underrated elsewhere because of his rocky start in CBJ. He's performed well with an actual starter's worklord in Philly. I think a lot of people like Neuvirth but he's like Elliott so far, hasnt been able to be a 'starter' although you'll never know for sure until he gets the chance. But some flyers fans on this site pump Mason up as a top-five goalie and it's maddening (goalie 'advanced' stats are worse than skater advanced stats imo).
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
I think Mason is generally underrated elsewhere because of his rocky start in CBJ. He's performed well with an actual starter's worklord in Philly. I think a lot of people like Neuvirth but he's like Elliott so far, hasnt been able to be a 'starter' although you'll never know for sure until he gets the chance. But some flyers fans on this site pump Mason up as a top-five goalie and it's maddening (goalie 'advanced' stats are worse than skater advanced stats imo).
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there are some Flyer fans who can't see past the orange and black. Pumping the tires on Mason and other Flyers who aren't the world beaters they think they are. And I have to turn the sound down during gams because Jim Jackson, the guy that calls them ,I s homer to the enth degree. His voice goes up to ear bleed decibel every time Mason makes a save. It's awful.

This team is trending in the right direction, thanks to Hexy replenishing a barren farm system, it's healthy and thriving now. Finally, the Flyers chose some high end players in the draft that are getting their minutes and playing well and more coming. But it will take a few years, and Stolarz IMO is their future in goal. Neuvy handles pressure better which was evident in the playoffs last yr, he was terrific. He'd have done fine with Stolarz backing him up for a couple of years.
And nobody is taking Mason's contract, I'm hoping they sign Neuvy to a 2 yr deal and let STolarz get his minutes in.

Mason's a good goalie, he just plays better without competition, which is why (I think) he was so good when Emery was here. Neuvy is competition and it wears on him.
 
Herby said:
I think as we have seen with Stoll and Richards, teams don't place much value on intangibles, leadership, Stanley Cup rings unless you can actually still play the game at an NHL level.
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Richards can play the game at an NHL level and did so last year. He was the Caps best defensive forward and PK'er. (Statistically and otherwise) and as his GM said not to long ago, 'played an excellent game, just one very smart hockey player' There was a reason Trotz had him averaging 18 shifts a game in the playoffs. Esp anything in the defensive end. With him on the ice, their puck possession was over 53%.
But...like a lot of teams who saw that Pens 3rd line succeed, they wanted that and used the $$ for Eller and Connelly. I've never been a Lars Eller fan, that 25 pts he's averaged, won't help them one bit in a playoff run, he's too soft and overrated. Not worth the 2 2nd round picks they gaveup or the 3.5 M he makes.
And that PK with Richards was 2nd in the NHL last year, now is in the toilet , hovering at the bottom of the league at 28th. Trotz was diplomatic this week , defending Eller o nthe PK saying 'he needs time to adjust' Which is BS, when it comes to shut down work and good PK'ing, you have it or you don't. He doesn't.
And moving Tom Wilson to the top line (can't wait to see how that plays out tonight) is still looking for something that is not there.

Richards is a leader, a playoff warrior and a very good defensive center and PKer who could be helping them win games.
 
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Although I've been watching a lot of hockey and have seen quite a few of the teams, the Panthers I haven't seen a lot of. They were on this afternoon and I watched for a bit. Continue to be impressed by Barkov, he does so many things well in all 3 zones, innately, which is a huge plus. Props to Stevie Y for getting him on paper so reasonable. He's a good defending as he is in the offensive zone. And great size.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Speaking of the Flyers, can you imagine if we had Lyon right now? :laugh:
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The preseason game he was in vs the Devils, I didn't see it but heard he played well. Hasn't seen much ice time yet but the season is just starting and I hope he continues to develop his game. He and STolarz should push each other, which will be good for both of them
 
deeshamrock said:
I am not a Mason fan (mostly due to his confidence issues, all the way back to Colubmus. This year, he had a mini meltdown pregame 1 when he as not named the starter) and was annoyed they gave him that last contract. And I've been hoping he'd be traded since then, would rather have Nevuy in Net with Stolarz backing him up for a couple years.
But Mason is a better goalie than Budaj, who is a product of the team and defensive system in front of him.
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I'd stay far away from a player with attitude issues.

On another note, I'm glad to see Lucic succeed with the Oilers, but I'm not too thrilled to see Lucic succeed with the Oilers because we've counted on them for so long to miss the playoffs and make the Pacific Division less competitive. So far this year, they're not cooperating with our little understanding.
 
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