A story with a moral that the "we just can't trade Drew" crowd should take note of.
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A story with a moral that the "we just can't trade Drew" crowd should take note of.
Ziggy Stardust
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Well, the Islanders had a Barzal to replace Tavares. It's a bit different when there isn't a defenseman ready to eat up almost 30 minutes a night and score 40+ points a season.
DryIslandBartender
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Reclamation Project
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Just heard Mark Scheifele's remarks today. WTF is this guy saying? Totally rambling, sounds like a total head case. Awesome player but what a strange rant.
KingsFan7824
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They haven't won anything yet. In the cap era, Lou hasn't been able to get a lot done. Eventually drove the Devils into the ground with an aging roster. Left Toronto quickly. Now the Islanders have that same aging type roster, with term on the contracts, so they have to start getting something done.
Not easy finding another Stevens/Niedermayer/Brodeur trio.
They literally can't just trade him.
The Isles took the cap that would've gone to Tavares and spent it elsewhere. Other than Marner if the Leafs went off the deep end, there's not really a combo of contracts the Kings would have to take back for Doughty that makes them better. There would be no picking and choosing like in NY either. You'd have to take back bad contracts from only the one team getting Doughty.
Not that the Kings are looking to trade Doughty. Unless they do nothing to improve the roster this summer. In which case the contracts coming back for Doughty would be even worse. Assuming he would go anywhere other than Toronto.
He and Hellebuyck are snorting shit from the same bag it seems.
Yes, but, the Islanders didn't know Tavares wouldn't re sign and Barzal was only 21 and would have to go down as being in the unproven column at that point.
Also, in a hypothetical trade, you would look to compensate somewhat for minutes + points and see how much younger players improve with extra responsibility.
I agree with Scheifele. He is allowed to be pissed at the suspension. He gets taken out by Tkachuk last year and misses the playoffs (or whatever you want to call it), than he gets a BS suspension length.
Should have been 1 or 2 games max.
Scheifele is the straw for winnipeg's offense. That series could be very different if he was in.
Should have been 1 or 2 games max.
Scheifele is the straw for winnipeg's offense. That series could be very different if he was in.
Yeah because Drew is the problem.
How do you know he isn't. The "toxic" environment is said to still exist in the team and we're running out of old core players to pin the blame on. Doughty seems like the most immature and self centered player in that group to me and we don't need him any more anyway (please don't mention the word "mentor" and Drew in the same sentence).
Cheers!
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Schiefele is a wanker and I'm glad others are seeing it as he publicly embarrasses himself. He's got that same screwloose sense of 'you can't touch me' that Kucherov has.
man Dougie Hamilton just went up a couple notches in my book for pointing out the Hurricanes lost to a team $18M over the cap.
KINGS17
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This is a situation the NHL must address in the next CBA. The use of LTIR by Tampa this season is ridiculous.
One way to do it would be to reduce the max contract length to 5 years. Another way would be to have the actually salary being paid in a given season to a player, be the cap number for the player that season.
How would length of contract correct LTIR used? 2 things I want to see happen:
1) have a salary cap in the playoffs. Maybe it is a % above regular season cap, or maybe it's just the team that is dressed needs to be cap compliant (scratches do not count), but something.
2) have cap limit adjusted for income tax. Would be a pretty easy formula once established.
johnjm22
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I think it's mostly coincidental.
I think the main reason for the Isles success is Trotz and good drafting.
If Tavares was still there, I don't think you could argue they'd be less successful. Perhaps they'd be even better considering their main weakness is goal scoring.
I think it is mostly due to Trotz arrival. Such an underrated coach. It is no coincidence that the Islanders post season success started with his arrival, and that Nashville has been a shell of itself since Trotz left. I wonder what would have been in Washington had he stayed.
johnjm22
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I think Trotz is the best coach of his era.
But the Islanders have also drafted a lot of good players over the last decade, and now they're bearing the fruits of it.
for sure....as odd as it sounds some of that credit should be given to Snow (or maybe Chiarelli for the Reinhart deal).
Master Yoda
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I like the idea of salary cap in the playoffs but it'll be a problem for the teams that acquire players at the deadline. They'll most likely be over the cap without any LTIR nonsense.
#2 will never happen. The teams in high tax states would just end up paying higher salaries. Cost certainty for owners goes out the window.
Last few Devils years were rough, definitely inevitable with a series of bad drafts. I'd disagree with the assessment that Lou's teams didn't do anything post-lockout. If you're simply judging by Cups, that's a little unfair. The playoffs can be a bit more random than we like to acknowledge.
2005-06: 101 points (won division)
2006-07: 107 points (won division)
2007-08: 99 points (2nd in division)
2008-09: 106 points (won division)
2009-10: 103 points (won division)
2010-11: 81 points (Murphy's law season, bunch of injuries in first half, had a great record once everybody was healthy)
2011-12: 102 points (unexpected playoff run)
2012-13: 48 points (Parise leaves, Kovalchuk mentally checked out after spending the lockout in Russia)
2013-14: 88 points (Kovalchuk leaves, Brodeur given too many starts with Schneider on the roster)
2014-15: 78 points (Lou replaced by Shero)
Not as much postseason success, but it could have been worse losing Niedermayer (and Stevens) post-lockout.
2015-16: 69 points (Lou inherits a 68 point team, begins the rebuild)
2016-17: 95 points
2017-18: 105 points
With Lou, I'm not even sure if it's a pure talent assessment thing with him. He sets a certain tone up top and while some players dislike it in the moment, a lot of them seemingly thank him later on since they needed a certain structure to succeed.
For the playoffs that's why I was thinking the team they ice would need to be cap compliant. if you acquire someone while someone is on LTIR than the team would need to decide who to dress once said player is healthy. retention on rentals could become ideal.
#2) not if it was just a paper adjustment.
Freidman dropping some bombs.
Agrees that if Hoven does not think LA is on Eichel than they are likely out on him.
Agrees that if Hoven does not think LA is on Eichel than they are likely out on him.
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Have no relief for LTIR
That would eliminate teams putting retired guys on LTIR. It would eliminate teams hiding players until the playoff. It would give cap certainty. It would lower player escrow.
Of course teams that get a couple players injured would suffer. Maybe allow buyout if the injury is career ending or longer than a year.
KINGS17
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It wouldn't solve the LTIR issue, but it would keep cap hits with large up front payments for players from being averaged over a longer period of time.
Maybe the salary cap just needs to be carried over into the playoffs as you are suggesting.
Master Yoda
LA Legends
What I mean is teams are allowed to add a big salary at the deadline because only the prorated salary counts against the cap, not related to LTIR or retention.
Not sure how a paper adjustments would work. If we're going to apply the salary cap equally, the only way I see is to apply the cap on the after tax calculation. Which means, teams in higher tax states have to spend more to spend to the cap or to reach the floor.
Maybe the smart people in the league has an answer to these problems.
Ziggy Stardust
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