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Around the League 20-21 Thread: Playoffs Edition

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deaderhead28 said:
Obviously taking a charge wasn't the best option when swiping at the puck was clearly the right decision.Evans scored just before the hit was made so obviously that was the bad decision for Scheifele to make.
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Yep. His choice did not stop the goal from happening but there is no guarantee that swiping at the puck stops the goal either and there is still going to be a collision.

Scheifele isn't deciding to "take a charge" instead: he's just making a big hit. You can see it on his face immediately following the hit: he thinks it was clean.

Why is that? It's because he didn't think he "took a charge" based on how the refs treat that penalty. Nobody is taught that you can only hit someone if you are within five feet of them when you start skating: the distance thing is never enforced.
 
Master Yoda said:
I don't know if swiping at the puck was an option when they were basically skating towards each other. Even if Scheifele gets a piece of the puck, Evans is going to get hit. Unless Scheifele decided to just skate by and take a lazy swipe at the puck, they were going to collide.
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Then it wouldn't be a charge...
 
deaderhead28 said:
Obviously taking a charge wasn't the best option when swiping at the puck was clearly the right decision.Evans scored just before the hit was made so obviously that was the bad decision for Scheifele to make. Scheifele should've pulled up or swipe at the puck..
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Honestly I think Scheifele made the correct read, and the correct play. He gave the dude two choices, score a goal and get blown up, or bail out. Guy chose to score, good for him, but there's no guarantee a poke check would have worked either. And do you think Evans made a good choice by taking the hit? Do you think he would do it again, given the options presented by Scheifele?
 
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BigKing said:
Video starts with Brown behind the goal line. Winds up hitting Sedin at the far blue line in one of the greatest moments in King history. No discussion of distance traveled:



Was at this game. Highlight of 2019 probably haha. Anyways, the Big Rig somehow found himself in front of the Calgary net trying to score. He skates full speed (his full speed) and trucks Bennett with one of the biggest hits I've ever seen in person. Hits him so hard that he gave himself a concussion and knocked Bennett out of the game. Bennett had also kneed Doughty earlier that game so there was retribution involved with this as well. No suspension. No penalty. No talk of "distance traveled" although it was basically 200 feet as well.

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Sedin was way more vulnerable than Evans was there. All Evans had to do was look up, Sedin didn't have a chance. The biggest difference is Sedin got up. Referees still penalize based on outcome, unfortunately.

I wonder if Sedin gets knocked out and doesn't get up, do they end up calling a major on Brown? He scored the only goal in that game, so do the Kings still win? Do they win the series if he's suspended? It's why situations like this are so difficult. No one knows Scheifle's intent. Was he frustrated and trying to hurt him? Was he trying to force him to peel away and not try a wrap-around? We can speculate all we want but no one outside of Scheifle will know.

If Evans braces himself and doesn't get knocked out, is it a penalty?
 
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BigKing said:
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You can see it on his face immediately following the hit: he thinks it was clean.
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deaderhead28 said:
This is where we disagree,players are responsible for their choices and hits.NHL and players unions agree on player safety rules to hold players responsible for wreckless choices and protecting one another.Evans was in a vulnerable position and Scheifele was skating to fast and did not make the safe decision and swipe the puck but to charge and injure Evans with a big hit cause Scheifele was pissed all game...
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Evans chose to round the net with his head down. He is responsible for getting leveled. It ain't charging.
 
BigKing said:
You are the one invoking the NHLPA, an entity that is currently appealing the suspension of a dirty player for a hit that was infinitely more egregious than this one.
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Yes and I see no issues in repealing cases that the Players Unions disagrees with,its part of the process...
 
Kudelski37 said:
Evans chose to round the net with his head down. He is responsible for getting leveled. It ain't charging.
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Really?So if a player places himself in a vulnerable position the opponent can just hit a player?I guess boarding isn't a thing according to you or charging..
 

What are you trying to say here...that Scheifele is on something?

I said he thought it was a clean hit. You can see him say that to the referee in the video. He thinks it was clean because this charging stuff isn't called.

If you keep your arms tucked, coast into a hit and don't leave your feet then you don't get penalized. That's how hockey has been played.

If they want to change how this is called simply because a guy got trucked then fine. I hate it though and, yes, it will lead to less hitting because nearly every big hit is, by definition, charging.

Guess we just have to hope for "reverse hits" from now on, although those get borderline headshot-ish so those will be gone too.
 
Just ban open ice hits already. Seriously. If you clutch your pearls so hard about players being injured on hits like this, then the only way to effectively remove it is to outright ban open ice hits.

No more snap judgment calls about whether or not an opposing player is “in a vulnerable position.” No more “upward motion” or “targeting the head” or any of this other arbitrary tripe coming out of the DOPS. Just ban open ice hits and be done with it.

These kinds of hits continue to happen because it’s such an absurd gray area in the game. Be physical, but not *too* physical. Play with an edge, but not *too* much of an edge.

Hockey is either a physical violent sport, or it isn’t. If it is, the league needs to just accept that sometimes these hits will happen and there’s obviously nothing anyone can do to stop it. But if you really want to move the sport away from these kinds of collisions, actually grow a pair and ban open ice hitting.
 
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Jason Squirties said:
Why do you keep repeating this? Are you just taking into account the fact that he skated red line to red line or the fact that he came from around the net on an empty net goal?
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What are you questioning exactly? That this was a very rare hit? If you don’t want to believe me feel free to watch Paul Maurice’s post game comments.
 
Master Yoda said:
calling that a charge is questionable
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The only thing questionable about that charge is,what is the punishment..

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Selon @renlavoietva, il faut s'attendre à une annonce dans les 90 prochaines minutes dans le cas de Mark Scheifele. Des explications en français seront incluses.

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According to @renlavoietva, expect an announcement within the next 90 minutes in the case of Mark Scheifele. Explanations in French will be included.
 
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wait we're seriously accusing a hockey player of being on drugs because his eyes are wide open after a full exertion 200ft sprint that ended in a huge collision to close out a playoff game?

yeah my f***in adrenaline would be pumpin too.....
 
deaderhead28 said:
The only thing questionable about that charge is,what is the punishment..

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Selon @renlavoietva, il faut s'attendre à une annonce dans les 90 prochaines minutes dans le cas de Mark Scheifele. Des explications en français seront incluses.
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Well, a bunch of people are questioning whether it is even a charge, and the rule book is worded in a way that they are open to interpretation so it's not a wild idea to call the charging penalty questionable.
 
Bandit said:
What are you questioning exactly? That this was a very rare hit? If you don’t want to believe me feel free to watch Paul Maurice’s post game comments.
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I guess I'm trying to figure out which part you find is rare and why you think it only comes around every decade or so?

Rare that you get a hockey hit that violent that is actually clean? I'd agree with you there.
 
tny760 said:
wait we're seriously accusing a hockey player of being on drugs because his eyes are wide open after a full exertion 200ft sprint that ended in a huge collision to close out a playoff game?

yeah my f***in adrenaline would be pumpin too.....
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Actually read the post,it said it was identical expressions on several occasions during the game.Who knows what's wrong with Scheifele during this game...
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tny760 said:
wait we're seriously accusing a hockey player of being on drugs because his eyes are wide open after a full exertion 200ft sprint that ended in a huge collision to close out a playoff game?

yeah my f***in adrenaline would be pumpin too.....
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You're not? I'm not starting to question why I'm not on drugs reading this thread.
 
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Master Yoda said:
Well, a bunch of people are questioning whether it is even a charge, and the rule book is worded in a way that they are open to interpretation so it's not a wild idea to call the charging penalty questionable.
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I've seen the same amount who say it's a charge and suspension worthy without a doubt...
 
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