Around the League 20-21 Thread: Playoffs Edition

[tny760]

Evans never expected to be lit up cause his head was down facing the puck.

this is a problem

also a symptom

 

[deaderhead28]

 

[BigKing]

This hit is a once in a decade occurrence. Not having it in the game is not going to change anything except the state of some poor player's brain.

The more acceptable physical hockey plays you punish and no longer make acceptable, the softer the game gets. It all snowballs.

Want to stop hits like Richards on Booth or the Scott Stevens Special? Okay. I can agree we don't need guys getting clipped in the jaw at 20 MPH. Go ahead and make those unacceptable.

Making guys think twice about hitting someone legally when they have them on the trolley tracks? That will change the game and it won't simply apply to the specific situation we saw last night.

 

[deaderhead28]

this is a problem

also a symptom

No problem when you use logic

Translation:
To all those who keep talking about 'skating with your head held high' ... I remind you of Guy Carbonneau's words when he coached the CH ... 'it's because at one point ... the puck is on the ground tse ... '.

 

[BigKing]

No problem when you use logic
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Translation:
To all those who keep talking about 'skating with your head held high' ... I remind you of Guy Carbonneau's words when he coached the CH ... 'it's because at one point ... the puck is on the ground tse ... '.

Stupid. Of course a player is going to look down at times. There are just certain spots on the ice/moments within a game where you might want to have some awareness of your surroundings.

If a pedestrian walks into the street--even if it is a crosswalk--and doesn't look both ways first and steps in front of a car, I'm not going to say that the pedestrian deserved it but that, yes, getting hit by a car is a real possibility when crossing a busy street. Well, there are certain spots on the ice that are akin to a busy street so there is an onus on a player to be aware of what is going on v. being too puck focused.

The ability to play this game at an extremely high level while not having to look down all of the time is part of the skill set that helps make you an NHL player and not just a pee-wee player.

 

[deaderhead28]

Stupid. Of course a player is going to look down at times. There are just certain spots on the ice/moments within a game where you might want to have some awareness of your surroundings.

If a pedestrian walks into the street--even if it is a crosswalk--and doesn't look both ways first and steps in front of a car, I'm not going to say that the pedestrian deserved it but that, yes, getting hit by a car is a real possibility when crossing a busy street. Well, there are certain spots on the ice that are akin to a busy street so there is an onus on a player to be aware of what is going on v. being too puck focused.

The ability to play this game at an extremely high level while not having to look down all of the time is part of the skill set that helps make you an NHL player and not just a pee-wee player.

It's charging and thoses types of hits have no place on our game. Scheifele I hope gets at lease 3 games at the minimum.There is no excuses for that hit...

 

[KingsFan7824]

Same with Lindros. He was so much bigger than every other teenager, that he developed bad habits. He got to the NHL, kicked ass, but other grown men were also able to knock him silly.

 

[tny760]

Stupid. Of course a player is going to look down at times. There are just certain spots on the ice/moments within a game where you might want to have some awareness of your surroundings.

If a pedestrian walks into the street--even if it is a crosswalk--and doesn't look both ways first and steps in front of a car, I'm not going to say that the pedestrian deserved it but that, yes, getting hit by a car is a real possibility when crossing a busy street. Well, there are certain spots on the ice that are akin to a busy street so there is an onus on a player to be aware of what is going on v. being too puck focused.

The ability to play this game at an extremely high level while not having to look down all of the time is part of the skill set that helps make you an NHL player and not just a pee-wee player.

yeah, onus is something both players have. evans has the onus to not put himself in a vulnerable position, the same as scheifele has the onus to make his check a legal one. i feel evans "took the hit to make the play" which is fine, and scheifele kept himself as low and tight as possible to avoid picking a head or sending an elbow through or whatever. i think a little more awareness on evans' part to think about potentially swinging around the boards and passing back to clock the game more is a reasonable option but he made the choice to go for the wrap in a place where he might be punished. he was punished.

it sucks evans is hurt, don't get me wrong, but sometimes you just end up with a bad result and there's no one to really blame

 

[deaderhead28]

yeah, onus is something both players have. evans has the onus to not put himself in a vulnerable position, the same as scheifele has the onus to make his check a legal one. i feel evans "took the hit to make the play" which is fine, and scheifele kept himself as low and tight as possible to avoid picking a head or sending an elbow through or whatever. i think a little more awareness on evans' part to think about potentially swinging around the boards and passing back to clock the game more is a reasonable option but he made the choice to go for the wrap in a place where he might be punished. he was punished.

it sucks evans is hurt, don't get me wrong, but sometimes you just end up with a bad result and there's no one to really blame

Evans clearly never sees Scheifele so Evans can't take the hit for the play.It was reckless and clear charging.I like to see the NHL other angles to see if he hit Evans in the head as well.

Edit Scheifele probably by this bone head play just gave Habs a rally cry to fire them up over and hurt his own team by a careless act that may suspend him for several games..

 

[tny760]

Evans clearly never sees Scheifele so Evans can't take the hit for the play.

evans had several chances while retrieving the puck to peek over his shoulder and see the 2 lanes of freight train coming at him. he never once shoulder checked after he crossed the blue line. that's on him.

 

[Bandit]

I'd hesitate to call what Guy Carbonneau has to say about playing NHL hockey "stupid", but that's just me.

 

[deaderhead28]

evans had several chances while retrieving the puck to peek over his shoulder and see the 2 lanes of freight train coming at him. he never once shoulder checked after he crossed the blue line. that's on him.

Then you're going to disappointed if and when the NHL suspends Scheifele. Scheifele intent and distance is going to be the deciding factors. Scheifele never once tried to play the puck even know he was less than 5 ft from the puck.Puck was in the net before contact is made and Scheifele was just lining up Evans all along for a dirty hit out of frustration...

 

[BigKing]

It's charging and thoses types of hits have no place on our game. Scheifele I hope gets at lease 3 games at the minimum.There is no excuses for that hit...

Thinking you can just waltz around an empty net to ice an NHL playoff game without thinking someone might try to stop you from doing so has no place in the NHL. Actually, it does have a place in the NHL and that place might unfortunately be injured reserve if you try it too often.

I don't need to see that hit at the local Iceoplex at 10:30 on a Wednesday night but I do expect the hard areas of an NHL rink to remain hard areas: especially in the playoffs.

 

[deaderhead28]

Thinking you can just waltz around an empty net to ice an NHL playoff game without thinking someone might try to stop you from doing so has no place in the NHL. Actually, it does have a place in the NHL and that place might unfortunately be injured reserve if you try it too often.

I don't need to see that hit at the local Iceoplex at 10:30 on a Wednesday night but I do expect the hard areas of an NHL rink to remain hard areas: especially in the playoffs.

You think charging is somehow a legal hit and should be allowed?

 

[BigKing]

I'd hesitate to call what Guy Carbonneau has to say about playing NHL hockey "stupid", but that's just me.

It is a stupid thing to bring up as an argument and you know it. The context is ridiculous and the implementation of it is asinine.

So guys should just skate with their heads down looking at the puck the entire time? Cool. Prepare to be obliterated.

Because the puck is on the ice and you have to look at it from time to time doesn't absolve a player from being aware of their surroundings: especially when they have the puck in a high danger area.

 

[deaderhead28]

Actually, it I do expect the hard areas of an NHL rink to remain hard areas: especially in the playoffs.

Then your complaint is with the players union and the NHL that agree to the rules that made that a illegal hit,not me...

 

[Bandit]

It is a stupid thing to bring up as an argument and you know it. The context is ridiculous and the implementation of it is asinine.

So guys should just skate with their heads down looking at the puck the entire time? Cool. Prepare to be obliterated.

Because the puck is on the ice and you have to look at it from time to time doesn't absolve a player from being aware of their surroundings: especially when they have the puck in a high danger area.

No one is suggesting that and that's not what happened on this play.

 

[BigKing]

You think charging is somehow a legal hit and should be allowed?

I don't think it was charging. I don't need the rule book quote read to me again either, thank you.

I've watched hockey for a long time. That hit was fine.

You and others don't want that hit to be okay anymore. That is your belief and you are welcome to have it, obviously. I prefer that this play remain legal, just as I do the crosschecks, slashes and roughings that don't get called by the book.

 

[KINGS17]

42.1 Charging - A minor or major penalty shall be imposed on a player who skates, jumps into or charges an opponent in any manner. Charging shall mean the actions of a player who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner. A “charge” may be the result of a check into the boards, into the goal frame or in open ice.

Nothing in the rulebook states if the charging player is gliding or skating, it's about distance traveled.

Distance traveled is a pretty nebulous measurement. The rule of thumb used to be taking more than two strides without gliding to check an opponent.

I am wondering if the hit had happened a second sooner and prevented the goal from being scored, would it be considered a player working hard on the back check and making a hard, but legal hit to prevent a goal.

No question he blew Evans up, but since when is every hard check which results in a concussion considered illegal?

 

[Bandit]

Soooo... anyone know what time the hearing is?

 

[DoktorJeep]

Scheiffle threw that hit for one reason, intimidation. Which is still part of the game. He’ll get 2 games is my guess, and that’s because of how arbitrary the suspension portion of the additional discipline process is with the DOPS.

The only discriminating factor here is head contact. Because that happened, supplemental discipline is on the table. Given he wasn’t assessed a major in the game and a lack of track record, he should be fined but not suspended. But again, with the lack of predictability with most DOPS rulings, he’ll get some token number of games suspended in order for the league to pay lip service to concerns about player safety.

 

[KINGS17]

I didn't mention it last night, but that was a bad hit by Scheifele. Morrow's hit on Kopi was different in that there wasn't head contact and it was just an unfortunate result. If take into consideration the score and Scheifele's frustration and the distance traveled and then the head contact, this seems like a no brainer suspension. I can understand he has every right to make that kind of hit, but I thought it was too much. I think he'll probably get a game or 2

You might have a point with the head contact, but it is difficult to tell what Scheifele's right shoulder hits first. They will have to take a close look at it.

 

[Master Yoda]

No one is suggesting that and that's not what happened on this play.

I don't think people are suggesting guys skate with their head up the entire time without looking at the puck either. But that guys should be aware of their surroundings and know that there was a guy skating behind you and you might get hit pretty hard if you're going right to the front of the net to score.

 

[Bandit]

I don't think people are suggesting guys skate with their head up the entire time without looking at the puck either. But that guys should be aware of their surroundings and know that there was a guy skating behind you and you might get hit pretty hard if you're going right to the front of the net to score.

And most guys do this most of the time. As I mentioned this is a once-in-forever hit. If the NHL can (try to) shitcan all headshots without destroying the integrity of hockey, surely we can do without this one play.

 

[BigKing]

And most guys do this most of the time. As I mentioned this is a once-in-forever hit. If the NHL can (try to) shitcan all headshots without destroying the integrity of hockey, surely we can do without this one play.

Understandable but it also opens up the idea that guys can put themselves in a vulnerable position but they can't be hit anymore.

I'd be all for discipline if it was a late hit or a headshot but I don't think it was either. The charging thing is a call made at the time because it's like, "holy shit he killed that guy...got to call something" which is what charging kind of is when it isn't someone jumping to make a hit.

I didn't think the Wilson/Rangers thing was suspension worthy, it ultimately wasn't and that was after-the-whistle and not a "hockey play". The only reason it even got attention was because it was Wilson. Now we've got a guy with no blemishes on his record making a hockey play with unfortunate results.

I don't know, man. If it is a once-in-forever hit by a guy who will never make another hit like this in his life, what's the point of a long suspension? Will be interesting to see the result because you never know with DoPS but I would be shocked if it is longer than one game and there is the possibility it is only a fine. I feel that the Bennett hit in Game 1 of the TB series is much worse as far as intent and a textbook no-doubt-about-it penalty and that only got one game. I don't think Bennett actually has a history with DoPS although he has toed the line but toeing the line doesn't count. That said, I always hear that we need to penalize the intent and not the result and any suspension here--especially a long one--is penalizing the result and not the actual play.

If he must be brought up on charges, it needs to be manslaughter and not murder.