Around the League 20-21 Thread: Playoffs Edition

[tny760]

Then you're going to disappointed if and when the NHL suspends Scheifele. Scheifele intent and distance is going to be the deciding factors. Scheifele never once tried to play the puck even know he was less than 5 ft from the puck.Puck was in the net before contact is made and Scheifele was just lining up Evans all along for a dirty hit out of frustration... View attachment 442804

i mean i'm disappointed that it's a hearing already so yeah, i'm prepared to be disappointed. i've been disappointed with the NHL's idea of supplemental discipline for a long time..

you don't have to play the puck. you can play the man. happens all the time. and yeah the puck's in the net when contact's made, but it's seriously within like a tenth of a second.. tick that video forward frame by frame (~1/30th of a second per) and there's like 3 frames where the puck is (probably) in the net and then scheifele's in him.. it's basically instantaneous in NHL hitting terms. like you seriously can't even get the "one" out of "one one thousand" before they're touching each other.. it's nothing in real time.

 

[tny760]

I feel that the Bennett hit in Game 1 of the TB series is much worse as far as intent and a textbook no-doubt-about-it penalty and that only got one game.

god that was a ruthless hit, that's exactly the kind that deserves multiples. good case in point of my frustration with the dops

 

[justonetime]

It's charging and thoses types of hits have no place on our game. Scheifele I hope gets at lease 3 games at the minimum.There is no excuses for that hit...

If Evans gets his head up and protects himself, does he still score in the EN?

 

[Schrute farms]

If you are going to punish and take away hits where the guy no longer has the puck.....you are taking away a ton of hits in the game. Say what you want about this specific hit. But saying it wasn't "necessary" or he no longer had the puck does not make this hit any different than many others happening throughout a game nonstop. Count how many post puck passing hits are made in a game where the guy doing the hit is solely trying to ram the dude into the boards and basically just put the fear into him for next time he has the puck. The difference is this guy got hurt and it looked bad.

 

[LAKings88]

Concussions aren't always caused by the direct contact to the head. The force of the hit to the body basically rattles the brain. I don't like that he didn't let up to any degree. I think he wanted to blast him. Anyone who has played knows that feeling. The hit was clean in technique but I don't think there was any care for another human being's health on that play. He was vulnerable to a big highlight reel hit, doesn't mean you should blast him. Can't tell me there isn't some machismo going on in that play.

 

[BigKing]

If you are going to punish and take away hits where the guy no longer has the puck.....you are taking away a ton of hits in the game. Say what you want about this specific hit. But saying it wasn't "necessary" or he no longer had the puck does not make this hit any different than many others happening throughout a game nonstop. Count how many post puck passing hits are made in a game where the guy doing the hit is solely trying to ram the dude into the boards and basically just put the fear into him for next time he has the puck. The difference is this guy got hurt and it looked bad.

Yep. Graves KO'd Janmark in Game 1 because Janmark was admiring his drop pass. Was given two for interference but I thought it was in the acceptable time frame. Refs saw the result and decided to call something. This hit was definitely later than the Evans hit. Head contact debatable. No suspension for Graves and Janmark is still out.

If the boards aren't there, maybe Janmark lands on his face too and the stretcher has to come out. Instead, he was able to eventually get up but he's seemingly just as injured as Evans. Since it didn't look as bad, there isn't a peep about it.

 

[Fishhead]

If you are going to punish and take away hits where the guy no longer has the puck.....you are taking away a ton of hits in the game. Say what you want about this specific hit. But saying it wasn't "necessary" or he no longer had the puck does not make this hit any different than many others happening throughout a game nonstop. Count how many post puck passing hits are made in a game where the guy doing the hit is solely trying to ram the dude into the boards and basically just put the fear into him for next time he has the puck. The difference is this guy got hurt and it looked bad.

That's the rub here. How do you make hits like this illegal and not other post-play hits? If Evans looks up and sees Scheifle trucking in, odds are he changes what he does and doesn't try a wrap-around. Hits are designed to alter the play of your opponent. He wasn't aware and unfortunately put himself in a terrible spot. Countless times during a game a guy makes a play up the boards or gets a shot off knowing he's going to get pummeled. If a guy knows you are there and still makes the play, you make him pay. If players no longer fear that the game is going to be much different.

I don't like how Scheifle hit him when he was so vulnerable, but to play devil's advocate look at it from his side.

• He was trying to intimidate and get to the spot to deter Evans from bringing it out in front. If he didn't he was going to take a shot for it, just like many other plays during a game.
• How could Evans not know someone was coming? A washed out icing at the end of a playoff game with an empty net? I can't think of a situation where a player wouldn't be bearing down on you, except maybe if it was exercise bike Kessel on the back check.
• He glided into the hit for the last 20 feet+

Interesting to see the DOPS call on this one.

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

I have no idea how someone could think that hit wasn't charging

 

[kilowatt]

I have no idea how someone could think that hit wasn't charging

Yeah I don't really understand either. He skated two thirds of the rink at full speed, decided not to play the puck, and hit a vulnerable player up high. I don't think this is a slippery slope towards no hitting in hockey, I think this is a frustrated player who knew exactly what he wanted to do and then did it.

 

[HookKing]

I have no idea how someone could think that hit wasn't charging

According to the "rule" virtually any hit is charging. Moreover, if that's charging any player can now just step into any player racing into the zone (for any reason) and draw a charging call.

 

[BigKing]

I have no idea how someone could think that hit wasn't charging

Because they never call charging due to distance traveled.

Nobody is saying, at least I'm not, that you can't call charging on that play if you follow the rule book to the letter. I am saying, however, that they never make that call. Hell, they wouldn't have called it here if Evans got up even with the "distance traveled".

The headshots thing was a concerted effort to remove them from the game so the rule was added and punishments were given. There is no advance warning on this hockey play no longer being an acceptable hockey play so I don't like the idea of throwing the book at a guy for doing something that has been accepted up until now, apparently.

If it was an elbow, late or blatant headshot then go for it. It was none of these.

 

[HookKing]

Because they never call charging due to distance traveled.

Nobody is saying, at least I'm not, that you can't call charging on that play if you follow the rule book to the letter. I am saying, however, that they never make that call. Hell, they wouldn't have called it here if Evans got up even with the "distance traveled".

The headshots thing was a concerted effort to remove them from the game so the rule was added and punishments were given. There is no advance warning on this hockey play no longer being an acceptable hockey play so I don't like the idea of throwing the book at a guy for doing something that has been accepted up until now, apparently.

If it was an elbow, late or blatant headshot then go for it. It was none of these.

The "distance traveled" is clearly there for calling out guys that are targeting a guy to hit well after the puck is gone. The reason it isn't called anymore is because it isn't needed with the "late hit" interpretations. MS clearly wasn't skating a long distance to hit Evans -- his intent was to stop the puck from getting in the net. Charging in this instance is just bullshit rationalization.

 

[deaderhead28]

If Evans gets his head up and protects himself, does he still score in the EN?

That's like saying if Scheifele whacked Evans in the face does he still score.No one can justify Scheifele actions.If Scheifele didn't commit a charge,Evans wouldn't have been carted off from injury caused by Scheifele careless hit...Puck was across the line before Evans was hit...Player was in a vulnerable position and Scheifele didn't hold back.

 

[justonetime]

I have no idea how someone could think that hit wasn't charging

I see it as a race to the post. First guy to get there "wins". They were traveling different speeds because one player had to circle, the other was going in a straight line, but they are both trying to get to the same spot as fast as they could. I don't think you can tell Sheifele that he has to slow down there, there's no speed limit in hockey. And when two guys are going for the same spot and one braces himself and the other doesn't, this happens.

 

[justonetime]

That's like saying if Scheifele whacked Evans in the face does he still score.No one can justify Scheifele actions.If Scheifele didn't commit a charge,Evans wouldn't have been carted off from injury caused by Scheifele careless hit...Puck was across the line before Evans was hit...Player was in a vulnerable position and Scheifele didn't hold back.

No, I'm saying Scheifele made a hockey play to stop a goal, and it would have worked (stopped the goal) if the other player didn't put himself in a vulnerable spot. He doesn't get a free pass to score cause Scheifele had to backcheck the entire rink. You can't just not look and therefor be allowed to wrap around without getting checked.

 

[deaderhead28]

No, I'm saying Scheifele made a hockey play to stop a goal, and it would have worked (stopped the goal) if the other player didn't put himself in a vulnerable spot. He doesn't get a free pass to score cause Scheifele had to backcheck the entire rink. You can't just not look and therefor be allowed to wrap around without getting checked.

Scheifele best shot of stopping Evans from scoring was to poke check ie use his stick instead of lining Evans up with a charge..Puck was already in before the hit.

 

[BigKing]

Video starts with Brown behind the goal line. Winds up hitting Sedin at the far blue line in one of the greatest moments in King history. No discussion of distance traveled:



Was at this game. Highlight of 2019 probably haha. Anyways, the Big Rig somehow found himself in front of the Calgary net trying to score. He skates full speed (his full speed) and trucks Bennett with one of the biggest hits I've ever seen in person. Hits him so hard that he gave himself a concussion and knocked Bennett out of the game. Bennett had also kneed Doughty earlier that game so there was retribution involved with this as well. No suspension. No penalty. No talk of "distance traveled" although it was basically 200 feet as well.

 

[justonetime]

Scheifele best shot of stopping Evans from scotimg was to poke check ie use his stick. Ot line Evans up with a charge..Puck was already in before the hit.
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Sorry, but the "he should have poke checked" argument is really dumb. Things happen fast on the ice, trying to say a guy should have poke checked based on a still shot is dumb. Did you ever play hockey? Did you coaches tell you to swipe at the puck, or take the man? Poke checks are easy to miss, the man isn't. And if "the man" hadn't reached around the net with his upper body extended (putting HIMSELF in a vulnerable position) the check would have been right on time, no goal.

He took a hit to make a play. A choice I'm not sure was wise, but he (Evans) made the choice to put himself in that spot.

 

[BigKing]

Scheifele best shot of stopping Evans from scoring was to poke check ie use his stick instead of lining Evans up with a charge..Puck was already in before the hit.
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He decided hit was the best option. Full speed poke check? A poke check towards your own empty net? He's still hitting him anyways--even with a poke check attempt--unless he hard stops once Evans decided on the wrap around.

It was a race. Evans won but paid the price. If Evans doesn't win that race, he get creamed and the puck doesn't go in and now we are going the other way with six skaters v. four.

 

[deaderhead28]

Sorry, but the "he should have poke checked" argument is really dumb. Things happen fast on the ice, trying to say a guy should have poke checked based on a still shot is dumb. Did you ever play hockey? Did you coaches tell you to swipe at the puck, or take the man? Poke checks are easy to miss, the man isn't. And if "the man" hadn't reached around the net with his upper body extended (putting HIMSELF in a vulnerable position) the check would have been right on time, no goal.

He took a hit to make a play. A choice I'm not sure was wise, but he (Evans) made the choice to put himself in that spot.

This is where we disagree,players are responsible for their choices and hits.NHL and players unions agree on player safety rules to hold players responsible for wreckless choices and protecting one another.Evans was in a vulnerable position and Scheifele was skating to fast and did not make the safe decision and swipe the puck but to charge and injure Evans with a big hit cause Scheifele was pissed all game...

 

[deaderhead28]

He decided hit was the best option. Full speed poke check? A poke check towards your own empty net? He's still hitting him anyways--even with a poke check attempt--unless he hard stops once Evans decided on the wrap around.

It was a race. Evans won but paid the price. If Evans doesn't win that race, he get creamed and the puck doesn't go in and now we are going the other way with six skaters v. four.

Obviously taking a charge wasn't the best option when swiping at the puck was clearly the right decision.Evans scored just before the hit was made so obviously that was the bad decision for Scheifele to make. Scheifele should've pulled up or swipe at the puck..

 

[BigKing]

This is where we disagree,players are responsible for their choices and hits.NHL and players unions agree on player safety rules to hold players responsible for wreckless choices and protecting one another.Evans was in a vulnerable position and Scheifele was skating to fast and did not make the safe decision and swipe the puck but to charge and injure Evans with a big hit cause Scheifele was pissed all game...

Are you talking about the same NHLPA that is currently appealing the Kadri suspension? Please, tell me more...

 

[deaderhead28]

Are you talking about the same NHLPA that is currently appealing the Kadri suspension? Please, tell me more...

Each incident is a case by case situation.Are you assuming all hits are the same?

 

[Master Yoda]

Obviously taking a charge wasn't the best option when swiping at the puck was clearly the right decision.Evans scored just before the hit was made so obviously that was the bad decision for Scheifele to make. Scheifele should've pulled up or swipe at the puck..
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I don't know if swiping at the puck was an option when they were basically skating towards each other. Even if Scheifele gets a piece of the puck, Evans is going to get hit. Unless Scheifele decided to just skate by and take a lazy swipe at the puck, they were going to collide.

 

[Jason Squirties]

And most guys do this most of the time. As I mentioned this is a once-in-forever hit. If the NHL can (try to) shitcan all headshots without destroying the integrity of hockey, surely we can do without this one play.

Why do you keep repeating this? Are you just taking into account the fact that he skated red line to red line or the fact that he came from around the net on an empty net goal?