Around the League '18-'19

[fivehole32]

As far as tax implications, if its like MLB, players are taxed at the rate they play their games. For instance, Kings road trip AZ, DAL, CO, the tax rate is calculated at the state level per game. For those three games they would not be taxed at the California rate, that is at least how MLB does it. California however has a way to double tax everything so they still may have a tax burden here in this wonderfully run state.

 

[YP44]

NMC and NTC. A lot of guys get those these days. Probably partially for the tax reason.

The players don't want the cap, and want owners fighting over them. I don't know if the tax issue would be a deal breaker if brought up for the CBA, but I doubt the PA would offer equalization free of charge. I would imagine that UFA's especially enjoy not having it.

We're talking about NHL and NHLPA, even if was an issue that benefited both sides equally and greatly one side would ask for the other to give something up.

 

[mbar]

Patches on PEDS this year will be interesting to watch. Yes, I'm going to assume all of Vegas was cheating last year just like Schmidt.

 

[deeshamrock]

one of those guys who has all the tools but no tool shed

That's a great line!!!

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

is there a mention of asset management in my post?

No, but there should be, because that's a huge part of the equation you can't just turn a blind eye too--especially given LA even took a swing at your boy.

Max is fast lol
but i guess there's no middle point right? he's either McDavid fast or he's not?

You're the one who presented it as a fast-slow binary in the first place with "Kovalchuk slow, Max fast" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Literally no one is saying Max is slow, just most mocking the idea that Ilya is just some plodder and Vegas committed highway robbery while getting a speed demon..

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

As far as tax implications, if its like MLB, players are taxed at the rate they play their games. For instance, Kings road trip AZ, DAL, CO, the tax rate is calculated at the state level per game. For those three games they would not be taxed at the California rate, that is at least how MLB does it. California however has a way to double tax everything so they still may have a tax burden here in this wonderfully run state.

That's exactly how it works. VGK players don't get 82 tax-free games, they're subject to the states/provinces they 'work' in for those days.

 

[deeshamrock]

You sound negative for some reason. What Montreal gave up to get their guy:

1st round pick
2nd round pick
2nd round pick
3rd round pick
Nick Suzuki

What the Kings gave up to get their guy:

nothing

Seems alright to me.

Except 6.5 M for 3 yrs on an over 35 contract that stays on the books.

Patches is a better player and much younger. For the extra 500K it might cost the Knights, it will make them a better team. He will be contributing far longer than Kovy.

So it's just a matter of how you look at it.

Patches is still better now that those yet undrafted players (who may not even stick in the NHL) and a prospect whose not in the NHL yet.

Kovy was the consolation prize, when Patches wouldn't sign in LA. LA thought he was the better player too.

time will tell

 

[KingPuckChoo]

No, but there should be, because that's a huge part of the equation you can't just turn a blind eye too--especially given LA even took a swing at your boy.




You're the one who presented it as a fast-slow binary in the first place with "Kovalchuk slow, Max fast" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Literally no one is saying Max is slow, just most mocking the idea that Ilya is just some plodder and Vegas committed highway robbery while getting a speed demon..

i think everyone's exaggerating to fit their narrative and so far all of you regurgitated words in my mouth

Patch is faster than Neal, Vegas is better as a team today for actually having a legit #1 winger (Vegas was already tough to handle for LA last year)

is LA faster today? not sure
have we done much to think that the Pacific won't just eat up the Kings this year? not sure

but then you guys bring in talks about cost, draft picks, mocking references from 6 years, Queens, talking about demons, robberies on the highway etc... calm down folks

my comment was much smaller in scope

 

[YP44]

Except 6.5 M for 3 yrs on an over 35 contract that stays on the books.

Patches is a better player and much younger. For the extra 500K it might cost the Knights, it will make them a better team. He will be contributing far longer than Kovy.

So it's just a matter of how you look at it.

Patches is still better now that those yet undrafted players (who may not even stick in the NHL) and a prospect whose not in the NHL yet.

Kovy was the consolation prize, when Patches wouldn't sign in LA. LA thought he was the better player too.

time will tell

I agree with this take. I am glad LA targeted Pacioretty, but also glad they had a max they were willing to pay Montreal. Sounds like Montreal and LA agreed on value (I am presuming JAD + 1st). Next step was the trade was contingent on LA extending Pacioretty (smart that LA wanted that as part of the deal).
6x6 is what i have heard as being reported. I would have been more ok with that deal than what Kovalchuk got just due to the age of the player and the fact Kovalchuk has not played in the NHL for 5 years. I wonder what LA's max yearly average was going to be or if $6M was it.

 

[Sol]

It's incredibly unfair to both players and teams but what could they actually do?

Well many people have said this before, the solution that's been thrown around many times is the cap to be adjusted to the taxes already in place so every team can spend a fixed amount. It's not fair for low tax regions to get in theory more room to spend Than teams in heavily taxed regions.

 

[YP44]

Well many people have said this before, the solution that's been thrown around many times is the cap to be adjusted to the taxes already in place so every team can spend a fixed amount. It's not fair for low tax regions to get in theory more room to spend Than teams in heavily taxed regions.

I think you would have to have players salaries adjusted and not just team cap limits. reason being is that it would really limit trades and I cannot fathom the PA signing off on it as players who signed for less in a low tax area who then get traded to a high tax would riot.

 

[Kingspiracy]

I wonder if vegas traded for patches because we signed Kovalchuck

 

[SlimCharles]

Did he?

Suzuki is a good prospect but Tatar is nothing but an over paid middle six and Columbus's 2nd round should be a late 2nd.

That said I do not like it for Vegas either. They gave up way too much for Tatar but at least cut their losses and used him for Patches. If they a re able to sign him to a somewhat affordable deal I will like it more for Vegas but I am waiting to see what the extension is like to decide.

For someone they had no interest in resigning who would have gone to UFA I think it's a good trade. They are rebuilding. If they were competitive then it obviously makes no sense you would resign him. Tatar is not complete doody now just because he couldn't fit in with Vegas. He can help them get to the cap floor and be a solid top 6er for a bad team. I think it's also a good trade for Vegas considering their team compared to Montreal's.

 

[KingsHockey24]

I wonder if vegas traded for patches because we signed Kovalchuck

They lost Tatar, Neal, and Perron and got a 30 year old 17 goal scorer.

I don't think they'll be much better.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

i think everyone's exaggerating to fit their narrative and so far all of you regurgitated words in my mouth

Patch is faster than Neal, Vegas is better as a team today for actually having a legit #1 winger (Vegas was already tough to handle for LA last year)

is LA faster today? not sure
have we done much to think that the Pacific won't just eat up the Kings this year? not sure

but then you guys bring in talks about cost, draft picks, mocking references from 6 years, Queens, talking about demons, robberies on the highway etc... calm down folks

my comment was much smaller in scope

No one is putting words in your mouth. you literally said Kovalchuk is slow vs Pacioretty is fast.

That's a bad take even before you ignored everything else.

Yes, Vegas is surely a better team today. No one is disputing that. you're just getting banged on for making a driveby comment that doesn't even make sense but suggests La made a bad move and Vegas made a good move so of course it's going to be analyzed.

I can't imagine this world where people spent four years bitching about us giving up tons of assets for aging players then criticized us for...not giving up tons of assets for aging players.

I love you and I know you're mostly pushing buttons but I'm triggered as f*** because I have to moderate this stupid shit

 

[redcard]

As far as tax implications, if its like MLB, players are taxed at the rate they play their games. For instance, Kings road trip AZ, DAL, CO, the tax rate is calculated at the state level per game. For those three games they would not be taxed at the California rate, that is at least how MLB does it. California however has a way to double tax everything so they still may have a tax burden here in this wonderfully run state.

California will still tax them for those days, they'll just get a credit for the tax paid to other states and pay the difference to CA.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Except 6.5 M for 3 yrs on an over 35 contract that stays on the books.

Patches is a better player and much younger. For the extra 500K it might cost the Knights, it will make them a better team. He will be contributing far longer than Kovy.

So it's just a matter of how you look at it.

Patches is still better now that those yet undrafted players (who may not even stick in the NHL) and a prospect whose not in the NHL yet.

Kovy was the consolation prize, when Patches wouldn't sign in LA. LA thought he was the better player too.

time will tell

People keep saying this as if it's an absolute certainty.

I think he'll be better in Vegas for sure but he's coming off a sub-40-point season and turns 30 this year as well as being a disappearing act in the playoffs. You could just as easily say he's heading towards a decline.

I know that if LA gave up that many assets for a rental and then doubled it for a winger turning 30 this board would mushroom cloud.

I'm much more comfortable with a few years of Kovy than I would be with tons of outgoing assets and more years of Patches given our team's situation. If I were a VGK fan maybe the opposite would make more sense to me (especially given they get to keep glass and have young contributors on the roster already), but for us that would have been a self-inflicted shotgun wound.

 

[Kingspiracy]

They lost Tatar, Neal, and Perron and got a 30 year old 17 goal scorer.

I don't think they'll be much better.

Yeah, probably not, but calling Pacioretty a 17 goal scorer is like calling Kopitar a 12 goal scorer last year, not their normal output.

 

[Choralone]

I don't expect Pac to be a difference-make post-trade any more than Hemsky was post-trade.

 

[SlimCharles]

I just saw that he actually accepted a 4 YEAR...4 YEAR contract? Are you kidding me? The trade is now phenomenal for Vegas. I'm pissed.

 

[deeshamrock]

I liked him, but at some point, you need to face the music.

His 6th team since 2016/17

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I just saw that he actually accepted a 4 YEAR...4 YEAR contract? Are you kidding me? The trade is now phenomenal for Vegas. I'm pissed.

Would you have been happy to give up a 1st, 2 2nds, a 3rd, and JAD for him?

 

[deeshamrock]

They lost Tatar, Neal, and Perron and got a 30 year old 17 goal scorer.

I don't think they'll be much better.

He's not 17 goal scorer, but you knew that when you typed that comment.

He's a player who has scored 158 goals in his last 5 seasons(380 games) which is a pretty high average. Prior to last year, that is a 35 goals per year pace. And most of that was on his own merit, has never had a legit number 1 center to play with. I've seen a lot him, due to the EC games and he's usually hustles on every shift and is a good teammate.

He's not replacing those 3 players, he's one of their new roster adds. Just as they added Stastny.
Tatar was the player that was traded the other way, and he's better than him.

He's brings a lot more that points, which will help the Knights.

Putting him on the top line will make them a better team, as well as the PP.

 

[deeshamrock]

Would you have been happy to give up a 1st, 2 2nds, a 3rd, and JAD for him?

That's not the trade the Knights made. They didn't know Tatar would be a bust. They did the right thing and moved him and his contract. Patches is better than Tatar and a better fit for Vegas now and in the future. And it was Vilardi and TT that were the players (per sportsnet) that were headed the other way along with a high draft pick. All that stopped it was the fact Patches didn't want to sign in LA. So Blake and co thought he was worth it too.

The 1st is a late round pick, and until any of those players hit the NHL and contribute, it's a win for Vegas. That kind of a decision is one that a GM makes given the position he's in. Vegas has a bunch of picks, losing Suzuki, won't hurt as much as it would another team. One of the reasons that Vegas was able to make that deal was the fact they felt they could afford to off him, a lot of teams didn't have that depth.

Does it make the Habs better next year, with an aging Price and Weber? or even the year after that?
I don't think it does.

So it depends on where the team is and what realistic expectations the GM has.

 

[KingsHockey24]

He's not 17 goal scorer, but you knew that when you typed that comment.

He's a player who has scored 158 goals in his last 5 seasons(146 games) over a goal per game average. And most of that was on his own merit, has never had a legit number 1 center to play with. I've seen a lot him, due to the EC games and he's usually hustles on every shift and is a good teammate.

He's not replacing those 3 players, he's one of their new roster adds. Just as they added Stastny.
Tatar was the player that was traded the other way, and he's better than him.

He's brings a lot more that points, which will help the Knights.

Putting him on the top line will make them a better team, as well as the PP.

158 goals in 146 games?

Shesh, I wasn't aware he could rack up those numbers. Ovechkin better be cautious.