SlimCharles
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Sucks he had to get traded to Vegas. Bergevin finally makes a good trade.
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Herby
How could Blake have known?
It doesn't seem like Tatar has nearly the type of value he had at last years deadline. But he does give Montreal a quality pro, who can score goals in this league. But ya the deal obviously rests on Suzuki.
Patches is a better player than Neal, who he will pretty much be replacing, so you have to like that for Vegas.
Patches is a better player than Neal, who he will pretty much be replacing, so you have to like that for Vegas.
kingsfan28
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kingsfan28
Its A Kingspiracy !
They gave up a 1st,2nd, and a 3rd to get him. He really did nothing for Vegas. So now Vegas gets to sign Patches for 7 mil x 7 or whatever then Karlsson after his prove it again season.
Sol
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Patches reminds me of Game Of Thrones. Everyone talks about how good he is but when you watch him you're left disappointed..
And yes, I've binge watched the show after hearing so many rave reviews. It has to be one of the most overrated shows I've ever seen.
And yes, I've binge watched the show after hearing so many rave reviews. It has to be one of the most overrated shows I've ever seen.
Ollie Weeks
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KopitarFAN
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Unless they have a long-term deal in place, I see more bad asset management. Essentially giving up 2 firsts (the one for Tatar, and Suzuki), 2 Seconds (the one for Tatar and this one) and a 3rd (for Tatar) for what could be one year of Patches. Yikes!
No doubt he makes them better, but how much and for how long is the question. Coming into the off-season we heard all about their cap space and their prospects, well they just traded one of the best for a potential rental, signed an aging Stastny to a huge deal and extended Fleury at a big number (not criticizing this one though).
It took less than one off-season to start making bad deals.
No doubt he makes them better, but how much and for how long is the question. Coming into the off-season we heard all about their cap space and their prospects, well they just traded one of the best for a potential rental, signed an aging Stastny to a huge deal and extended Fleury at a big number (not criticizing this one though).
It took less than one off-season to start making bad deals.
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Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Yeah Vegas got better immediately but gave up a loooot of assets for only a bit of Tatar and thus far only one year of Patches.
If this was any other team they'd be getting traintracked right now. Just because they had an embarrassment of assets doesn't mean you should fling them indiscriminately.
ScoreZeGoals
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mbar
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That seems a really good return for Montreal for a player with just a year left on his contract.
KingsFan7824
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That 1st ended up as 30th overall. Even trading another 2nd rounder next year, they still have three 3rd round picks, and I believe still have 8 overall picks in 2019 if I'm counting correctly. The 3rd round pick in 2021, meh. That's a long time from now. Brown will still have 1 year left when that pick gets used. They can get that asset back if they regress.
From the 17 and 18 drafts, I believe Vegas has 19 prospects remaining when subtracting Suzuki. Maybe they're not all that great, I don't know, but that's still a lot.
I think too much might be made of all this. They managed to get to the Final last year. As crazy as it sounds, maybe this is their window. Maybe it doesn't get as good as it was last year for the next decade, no matter what they do.
The unknown of draft picks and prospects usually sounds better than a good, but not great player. The odds that they traded anyone as good as Pacioretty are sort of low though.
From the 17 and 18 drafts, I believe Vegas has 19 prospects remaining when subtracting Suzuki. Maybe they're not all that great, I don't know, but that's still a lot.
I think too much might be made of all this. They managed to get to the Final last year. As crazy as it sounds, maybe this is their window. Maybe it doesn't get as good as it was last year for the next decade, no matter what they do.
The unknown of draft picks and prospects usually sounds better than a good, but not great player. The odds that they traded anyone as good as Pacioretty are sort of low though.
I had forgot that Vegas also picked up Stastny. As much as I’d love to watch them skid down the pavement on their face all season, they’re probably gonna be pretty good, even if Karlsson struggles.
Did he?
Suzuki is a good prospect but Tatar is nothing but an over paid middle six and Columbus's 2nd round should be a late 2nd.
That said I do not like it for Vegas either. They gave up way too much for Tatar but at least cut their losses and used him for Patches. If they a re able to sign him to a somewhat affordable deal I will like it more for Vegas but I am waiting to see what the extension is like to decide.
KopitarFAN
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Any reasonable person expects they will be good, not 109 points good, but they'll be fighting for a playoff spot. I think the Stastny thing is overplayed, he was really good once he joined the Jets, but underwhelming before.
KopitarFAN
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deeshamrock
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Perhaps. I'm old school, the team that gets the best player, wins the trade. Patches is the best player. And he should fare better w/o the brights lights of wearing the C in Montreal, which is an albatross.
Although Weber might handle it okay. Suzuki is a highly touted prospect, but not in the NHL yet and as a youngster, would still have to grow into that role, as will the other high ender centers they drafted (Jesperi Kotkemiemi, RYan Pouling ) the last couple years. The 2nd rounder may or may not pan out and the Knights managed to get to the SCF w/o Tatar.
Statsny and Patches are an upgrade over last year. They give the Knights a pretty decent top 6 with Marchessault, Karlsson, Smith and Tuch.
Knights aren't gonna fall off the Earth because so many Kings fans despise them. They are a good team, have drafted (and traded for picks) well and have a great coach.
Before Patches landing there, I had them 2nd in the Pacific.
Montreal has to decide what it's doing. Droiun and this young guys and draft picks , doesn't mesh when your core players (Weber Price) are in their 30's. They are not a contender and not close. So what then? the 18 M on Price and Weber, eventually will weight on team going nowhere.
ANd it's not a rental, Patches wouldn't have agreed (remember nixing the Kings deal because he didn't like the contract offer) to the trade if he wasn't getting the contract he wants. He'll get 7 or 8 x 7M most likely. He'll finally have a decent center to play with, which should bode well for him, given the goals he averaged in Montreal.
So I'd say for now, it's a good trade for the Knights. Five years from now, when those 18 and 19 yr olds are growing into their NHL boots, Weber and Price will be on the wrong side of 35. But , between now and then, maybe the Habs make other moves.
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deeshamrock
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Vegas has all kinds of UFAs coming up next year, so they are in a unique situation. I think GM knows they overachieved last year, and that many career years at once is unprecedented and isn’t likely to repeat itself. They’ll have around $30M in cap available next year, but have 7 FA forwards (4 UFA) and 3 UFA defense. Their system isn’t robust yet so if they trade for another top player it will pretty much gut the minors.
Only Tuch is on an ELC and he’s RFA after this season, and Glass is the only highly touted young guy. Otherwise they are in good shape cap-wise. Patches at 8ish would leave 22M for 6 guys, which should be plenty unless they have players regress. There was a reason most of the guys were made available for expansion, with consistency being a common theme. I don’t see GM hitching his wagon and committing the roster to a core of players until after the UFA situations next year become clearer.
Only Tuch is on an ELC and he’s RFA after this season, and Glass is the only highly touted young guy. Otherwise they are in good shape cap-wise. Patches at 8ish would leave 22M for 6 guys, which should be plenty unless they have players regress. There was a reason most of the guys were made available for expansion, with consistency being a common theme. I don’t see GM hitching his wagon and committing the roster to a core of players until after the UFA situations next year become clearer.
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Vegas is obviously going all in right away. It will be interesting to see if they still have the assets to put in a serious bid for Erik Karlsson. I think they have the cap space.
Not the way I think a franchise/team should be built and their playoff success from last season has probably gone to McPhee's head a bit. I don't think Fleury will come close to last season's performance.
Not the way I think a franchise/team should be built and their playoff success from last season has probably gone to McPhee's head a bit. I don't think Fleury will come close to last season's performance.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Can't blame him for feeling invincible but he's certainly pushing his luck.
At this point I feel like he HAS to go for Karlsson, right? But doesn't seem like it can get done without Glass...
I don't think Stastny is the missing piece or anything but he is a nice second line player for them.
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