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Agree that it is too early to call him an "injury guy", but it isn't just an appendectomy and the knee injury: it's those two things and then whatever issue he has now.

The current issue led to him not doing every drill at the combine. Then the Kings held him out of rookie camp and downplayed the issue. Now he can't participate in the Team Canada stuff.

I'm not saying that Deadmarsh and Allison will be back in a few weeks: I'm just saying that Deadmarsh and Allison will be back in a few weeks.

Have to believe he fell like he did because teams were worried about his injury. You look at his skill set and there is no way he should not be in the Top 10 of this last draft. Before someone says "Kopitar", Vilardi doesn't have the Slovenian stigma.
 
BigKing said:
Agree that it is too early to call him an "injury guy", but it isn't just an appendectomy and the knee injury: it's those two things and then whatever issue he has now.

The current issue led to him not doing every drill at the combine. Then the Kings held him out of rookie camp and downplayed the issue. Now he can't participate in the Team Canada stuff.

I'm not saying that Deadmarsh and Allison will be back in a few weeks: I'm just saying that Deadmarsh and Allison will be back in a few weeks.

Have to believe he fell like he did because teams were worried about his injury. You look at his skill set and there is no way he should not be in the Top 10 of this last draft. Before someone says "Kopitar", Vilardi doesn't have the Slovenian stigma.
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The widely-reported reason he fell was because of skating issues. Maybe injuries are part of that, but injuries didn't keep patrick out of the top 2.
 
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The widely-reported reason he fell was because of skating issues. Maybe injuries are part of that, but injuries didn't keep patrick out of the top 2.
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But you can't really compare Patrick to Vilardi at this point in time.

It is difficult to skate when you are injured so the skating concerns make sense ;)

I do believe that the injuries played a role in it if it comes down to "Vilardi or Player X".

I'm just really hoping my Jason Allison comparison isn't too on the nose.
 
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But you can't really compare Patrick to Vilardi at this point in time.

It is difficult to skate when you are injured so the skating concerns make sense ;)

I do believe that the injuries played a role in it if it comes down to "Vilardi or Player X".

I'm just really hoping my Jason Allison comparison isn't too on the nose.
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Well, someone was using the Allison comparison around the draft, so maybe it's a full roleplay :laugh:

I don't think Patrick and Vilardi are comparable in the overall sense (I'm really high on Patrick, he reminds me so much of Jason Arnott), I'm just talking with respect to injuries. I just don't think you can look at a guy who was so productive while hurt and just flat-out dominated peers by the eye test and go "well, he had an appendectomy (which is FOR SURE only happening once ;) ) and got hurt this year, so no." Then again, it was reported...Liljegren? I forget...had mono and that player dropped hard anyway so maybe you're right when we're talking all things being equal. I just remember the bigger concern being skating and in a copycat league not having high-end speed was really damning at this draft in particular.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
The widely-reported reason he fell was because of skating issues. Maybe injuries are part of that, but injuries didn't keep patrick out of the top 2.
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Sometimes skating issues and constant injuries go hand in hand. You watch some guys skate and it's very smooth, looks effortless. You watch other guys skate and it looks like it takes a lot to get going, choppy stride, upper body and lower body look like they are working against each other.
 
The Tikkanen said:
Sometimes skating issues and constant injuries go hand in hand. You watch some guys skate and it's very smooth, looks effortless. You watch other guys skate and it looks like it takes a lot to get going, choppy stride, upper body and lower body look like they are working against each other.
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Yeah, for sure skating mechanics can play a role there. That's where a good development coach comes in, thank goodness that's something that's grown big in our org.

I always wonder about guys with 'conditioning issues,' like how much is it related to efficiency of stride? I remember Dwight King referencing skating hard made his achilles burn or something like that. Then again, I can't imagine being that big, so it's tough for me :laugh:
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Yeah, for sure skating mechanics can play a role there. That's where a good development coach comes in, thank goodness that's something that's grown big in our org.

I always wonder about guys with 'conditioning issues,' like how much is it related to efficiency of stride? I remember Dwight King referencing skating hard made his achilles burn or something like that. Then again, I can't imagine being that big, so it's tough for me :laugh:
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And a reason why the players who have taken lessons from figure skating coaches or had coaches coming up that had figure skating backgrounds excel. It makes a difference.


https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/17/...aster-nhl-players-turn-to-figure-skaters.html

Barbara Underhill is a former figure skating champ who has worked with several NHL players, including Tyler Bozak who said in the above article (from spring 2016)

Underhill recommended that Bozak alter the rocker and the blades on his skates.

“I feel faster, quicker, stronger,†he said. “She’s awesome.â€
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Result- he had his best year and I saw that watching the Leafs last year, and you could see he looked faster and as a result was more effective.

The other reason why skating has become so imperative is:

Dan Marr, the director of N.H.L. Central Scouting, a league department that rates amateur hockey prospects for the draft, said changes to rule enforcement emerging from the lockout during the 2012-13 season had resulted in faster play. That in turn has put an emphasis on skating.
Hits that lead to head injuries have been targeted, and stricter penalties for obstruction, like hooking, holding and interference, have placed a premium on speed over brawn.
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Big, heavy and slow are becoming a thing of the past. Speed and skill, and the changes that have and are occurring in the development of young players are causing the NHL to trend that way.

“Skating is the No. 1 criteria,†Marr said. “It’s mandatory. If you can’t skate, you’re not even going to be a draft consideration.€
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News Release: Former Ottawa Senators general manager Bryan Murray passes away at age 74:


Rest in Peace. Great hockey guy and really fought a courageous battle.
 
In other news the KHL preseason started. Alexander Frolov led his team to a 4-2 victory over Dynamo Moscow.

I'll be keeping track on Fro and Voynov all season. :yo:

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So the Bruins haven't signed David Pastrnak yet. Some rumors surfaced (I read them on NESN) that they are at an impasse on his new deal and shopping him. I didn't believe that from the moment I read it (which one reporter theorized that the Bruins started to pressure DP into agreeing on terms) They can't afford to trade him, not many teams would have a 21 yr old budding star (and I believe he's every bit of that) with 34 goals last year and 59 in the 172 games he's played. If he stays healthy, I think he'll hit 40 next year. And even if that player was out there, if he had similar numbers, he'd most likely want $$ as well. So I just don't see a trade.

So the Bruins have their top 4 forwards (Krejci, Bergeron, Backus and Marchand) signed to just over 26 M (Krejci at 7.5 down to Marchand at 6.1) and want to keep him at 6M to stay below those 4. From what I read, the term could be 2 yrs or 6, but Pastrnak /agent want 7 to 7.5 at 7 yrs. And that's been out there for awhile and no movement.

I am on the Bruins side , 6M for 2 yrs is fair and if he puts up 35 or more per over those 2 yrs , he could get even 8 next time.
But I guess he doesn't want a bridge deal, as he and his camp have not budged.

This trend of going from ELC to LTC at $$$ is not one I agree with. And it's taking a toll on the CAP , GM's and teams. In some cases creates a bar for money that isn't a good one.

It also has the potential to have offer sheets return, as Elliotte Freidman said based on what he heard from GM's at both the last meetings and on draft floor. Because those star to be players are coming off ELC's and jumping to LTC's, the free agent market will be shrinking for those high profile young guys. So offer sheets are one way to get that guy if you really want him.
 
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So the Bruins haven't signed David Pastrnak yet. Some rumors surfaced (I read them on NESN) that they are at an impasse on his new deal and shopping him. I didn't believe that from the moment I read it (which one reporter theorized that the Bruins started to pressure DP into agreeing on terms) They can't afford to trade him, not many teams would have a 21 yr old budding star (and I believe he's every bit of that) with 34 goals last year and 59 in the 172 games he's played. If he stays healthy, I think he'll hit 40 next year. And even if that player was out there, if he had similar numbers, he'd most likely want $$ as well. So I just don't see a trade.

So the Bruins have their top 4 forwards (Krejci, Bergeron, Backus and Marchand) signed to just over 26 M (Krejci at 7.5 down to Marchand at 6.1) and want to keep him at 6M to stay below those 4. From what I read, the term could be 2 yrs or 6, but Pastrnak /agent want 7 to 7.5 at 7 yrs. And that's been out there for awhile and no movement.

I am on the Bruins side , 6M for 2 yrs is fair and if he puts up 35 or more per over those 2 yrs , he could get even 8 next time.
But I guess he doesn't want a bridge deal, as he and his camp have not budged.

This trend of going from ELC to LTC at $$$ is not one I agree with. And it's taking a toll on the CAP , GM's and teams. In some cases creates a bar for money that isn't a good one.

It also has the potential to have offer sheets return, as Elliotte Freidman said based on what he heard from GM's at both the last meetings and on draft floor. Because those star to be players are coming off ELC's and jumping to LTC's, the free agent market will be shrinking for those high profile young guys. So offer sheets are one way to get that guy if you really want him.
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Deciding which players are the correct ones to give second contracts with 6-8 years at cap hits north of $6M are where GMs earn their money. I think Pastrnak is a guy I would want a GM to take the risk on. Signing this kid to 8 years locks up all of his prime years in the NHL. Of course, the GM has to avoid giving an NTC if possible.

I would dump Backus before I would risk losing Pastrnak.
 
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Deciding which players are the correct ones to give second contracts with 6-8 years at cap hits north of $6M are where GMs earn their money. I think Pastrnak is a guy I would want a GM to take the risk on. Signing this kid to 8 years locks up all of his prime years in the NHL. Of course, the GM has to avoid giving an NTC if possible.

I would dump Backus before I would risk losing Pastrnak.
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I would have never signed Backus, they already had vet. forwards in their 30's.. And the Bruins, at least for now, won't move off 6M per yr. DP's camp isn't budging either.
so I guess we'll wait to see who blinks first.


Other news (potentially)
Draisaitl photo on twitter this morning with 'congrats Leon' and him celebrating hinting that his new deal is done perhaps. I wonder if the 9M per hinted at recently will be true.
 
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KINGS17 said:
Deciding which players are the correct ones to give second contracts with 6-8 years at cap hits north of $6M are where GMs earn their money. I think Pastrnak is a guy I would want a GM to take the risk on. Signing this kid to 8 years locks up all of his prime years in the NHL. Of course, the GM has to avoid giving an NTC if possible.

I would dump Backus before I would risk losing Pastrnak.
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The NTC isn't as big a deal on second contracts since it can't start till they reach the UFA years.
But he's really just asking for what Tarasenko got two years ago straight off his ELC. Which seems reasonable.
 
Remember the years of facing Yzerman/Fedorov and Forsberg/Sakic in the playoffs? They are back.

The Kings have to start hitting on their draft picks and soon. The Kings have not drafted a true impact player since 2008 despite being in a position many times to do it, hopefully Valardi is the start of better drafting.
 
That Lucic contract is looking worse and worse with these extensions

Locking-up the likes of McDavid and Draisaitl are no brainers, but they also give you zero room for error with other big price contracts.
 
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Also has an effect on Toronto.

Matthews, Nylander, and Marner will probably go for around $27-$28 million (11.5 + 8 + 8). Add in Connor Brown for $3.5-$4ish and that's ballpark $31-$32 million. With expected cap increases of $2 million or so each of the next 2 years, Toronto would have around $13 million left for 10-11 contracts when Doughty is a UFA. And that's with only 2 dmen signed.

This should put the Doughty to the leafs speculation to bed.
 
Herby said:
Remember the years of facing Yzerman/Fedorov and Forsberg/Sakic in the playoffs? They are back.

The Kings have to start hitting on their draft picks and soon. The Kings have not drafted a true impact player since 2008 despite being in a position many times to do it, hopefully Valardi is the start of better drafting.[/QUOTE]
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I think he is and it's a shame they lost 2 first round picks and the chance to land Kyle Connor. He's expected to be on the Jets top 6 this yr with Laine, Scheifele, Ehlers on the 1st line and Blake WHeeler, Little and Connor on the 2nd. That's a pretty good top 6. Another pack of good forwards in the Pacific , Gaudreau, Monahan , Ferland on the 1st line and the 3M line 2nd (Backland, Frolik, Tkachuk) and Bennett (at 20) should take a step forward this year. They have 4 pretty good 2 way centers, and that's a real asset.
More and more teams around the league are headed that way, and the Kings need to continue to draft well to keep up.
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Herby said:
Remember the years of facing Yzerman/Fedorov and Forsberg/Sakic in the playoffs? They are back.

The Kings have to start hitting on their draft picks and soon. The Kings have not drafted a true impact player since 2008 despite being in a position many times to do it, hopefully Valardi is the start of better drafting.
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LA hasn't really been in a position to draft many impact players in recent years .

2009 5th overall - B. Schenn ( traded to philly for Richards resulting in a CUP - do that every time )

2010 15th overall - D. Forbert ( V. Tarasenko taken next pick , but Dylan McIlrath, Jack Campbell , Brandon Gormley all taken BEFORE Forbert ) .

2011 49th - Christopher Gibson ( your not getting a sure thing at 49 )

2012 30th - Tanner Pearson ( would go 10th or so on a 5-year redraft ) not bad

2013 37th - Valentin Zykov ( only 19 players with 100+ games from this draft so far )

2014 29th - Adrian Kempe (played 25 games so far and 11 players drafted ahead of him have played fewer games )

2015 43th - Erik Cernak ( 28 players drafted ahead have played 20 games or less ).

2016 51st - Kale Clague ( 5 players with 25 or more games from the entire draft ).

2017 11th - Gabriel Vilardi ( highest pick in 8 years , who knows if this is a hit )
 
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