Around the League '16-'17 Other Teams' Free Agent Frenzy

[deeshamrock]

Also has an effect on Toronto.

Matthews, Nylander, and Marner will probably go for around $27-$28 million (11.5 + 8 + 8). Add in Connor Brown for $3.5-$4ish and that's ballpark $31-$32 million. With expected cap increases of $2 million or so each of the next 2 years, Toronto would have around $13 million left for 10-11 contracts when Doughty is a UFA. And that's with only 2 dmen signed.

This should put the Doughty to the leafs speculation to bed.

The Leafs have $$$ moving out on contracts over that same time period JVR and Bosak get them 8M back this year when they're traded and Lupul's 5M off the books after this year as are several others. They have a pretty deep farm system and some young players who can fill some of those roles and cheap vet help for the 4th line if it comes to that. They'll be 29M under the CAP next summer with Nylander's contract due. Matthews and Marner aren't until the following year when most of the expiring contracts will have been addressed with that in mind. It won't be easy, but with the deep farm system they have, it's doable.
Papa Lou and co know how to add and figuring in what their needs are over the next several years.
As for Doughty, he'll sign where he will get the best deal and that is money, term and a chance to win, with a contender.
And that leaves the Kings behind others in the pack.
And if the Leafs want him, they'll move Nylander and his 7 to 8 M to clear up CAP space.

 

[deeshamrock]

Matt Cullen signs 1 Yr/1M with the Wild, going back to his hometown. He did have offers (including the Pens) but decided to go home. Always liked him, and hope he does well there. Pretty good defensive center and kicks in with offense.

And Jack Eichel, is excited about the Sabres, with a new GM and coach he is very optimistic about the team this year. He was outstanding after he came back from injury, putting up over 1 PPG pace. I think they have a very dynamic young team and he's got that dynamic kind of energy and work ethic that is what they need as part of a young leadership group. They missed a lot more than points and W's when he was hurt, he is a force and that inspires the others. I love the way he plays

There were some rumors he and Bylsma were at odds and that might be why he's excited about his future with a new coach and staff, etc. He expects this years camp to be much more invigorated and he wants to be a big part of that.

http://www.**************.com/Headlines/ExternalArticle?articleId=479142

"I think that that next step in terms of being a dominant player and a leader on our team with more of an impact, it should be there next season," Eichel said. "Some of us are getting older and we should start building more confidence in ourselves and start expecting more out of ourselves."

 

[Stimpythecat]

The Leafs have $$$ moving out on contracts over that same time period JVR and Bosak get them 8M back this year when they're traded and Lupul's 5M off the books after this year as are several others. They have a pretty deep farm system and some young players who can fill some of those roles and cheap vet help for the 4th line if it comes to that. They'll be 29M under the CAP next summer with Nylander's contract due. Matthews and Marner aren't until the following year when most of the expiring contracts will have been addressed with that in mind. It won't be easy, but with the deep farm system they have, it's doable.
Papa Lou and co know how to add and figuring in what their needs are over the next several years.
As for Doughty, he'll sign where he will get the best deal and that is money, term and a chance to win, with a contender.
And that leaves the Kings behind others in the pack.
And if the Leafs want him, they'll move Nylander and his 7 to 8 M to clear up CAP space.

I already factored those expiring contracts in. The numbers I mentioned were without JVR, Bozak, Lupul, et al..

They don't have the space.


Edit: I'll explain a different way since I can see my prior post could be confusing.

When Doughty is UFA in 2019-2020, the leafs will have 8 contracts for $35.3 million. That is with $0 for Matthews, Nylander, Marner, and Brown. Add in the $31-32 for them (11.5 + 8 + 8 + 4). That's around $67 million for 12 contracts. The cap in 2 years may be around $79 million leaving 10 contracts with $12 million available.

No room for Doughty on the Leafs roster without multiple significant trades.

 

[KINGS17]

I already factored those expiring contracts in. The numbers I mentioned were without JVR, Bozak, Lupul, et al..

They don't have the space.


Edit: I'll explain a different way since I can see my prior post could be confusing.

When Doughty is UFA in 2019-2020, the leafs will have 8 contracts for $35.3 million. That is with $0 for Matthews, Nylander, Marner, and Brown. Add in the $31-32 for them (11.5 + 8 + 8 + 4). That's around $67 million for 12 contracts. The cap in 2 years may be around $79 million leaving 10 contracts with $12 million available.

No room for Doughty on the Leafs roster without multiple significant trades.

The Kings won't let Doughty walk as a UFA. If they trade him to the Leafs, the Kings will be getting one of Nylander, Marner, or Brown, and possibly Nylander and Brown, or Marner and Brown.

The Leafs can make room for Doughty if given the opportunity to acquire him.

 

[KINGS17]

The Oilers now have a one-two punch down the middle which will make it nearly impossible for the Kings to get past the 2nd round for years to come.

Time to face reality.

 

[Bandit]

The Oilers now have a one-two punch down the middle which will make it nearly impossible for the Kings to get past the 2nd round for years to come.

Time to face reality.

You keep saying this but how about we wait for the Oilers to win more than one playoff series in a decade before we declare them unstoppable?

 

[deeshamrock]

I already factored those expiring contracts in. The numbers I mentioned were without JVR, Bozak, Lupul, et al..

They don't have the space.


Edit: I'll explain a different way since I can see my prior post could be confusing.

When Doughty is UFA in 2019-2020, the leafs will have 8 contracts for $35.3 million. That is with $0 for Matthews, Nylander, Marner, and Brown. Add in the $31-32 for them (11.5 + 8 + 8 + 4). That's around $67 million for 12 contracts. The cap in 2 years may be around $79 million leaving 10 contracts with $12 million available.

No room for Doughty on the Leafs roster without multiple significant trades.

I appreciate you restating the scenario but I disagree. The Leafs pressing contract situation is in 2018-2019, with a dozen expiring deals. By 2019-2020, those will have been addressed, and since 18/19 is the last year of Marner and Matthews, they can negotiate those that summer. Nylander will be signed already. The Leafs front office is well aware of what they have on the horizon.

Marner and Matthews are lock to be on LTC's. Nylander, as much as I love him, is the expendable piece, esp if he's commanding 8 M or so. And as Marleau is on the last year of his deal, he could be moved as well. I think they will use those colts they have on the farm on cheap ELC's. Kadri is locked in and a very good 2 way center behind Matthews. That's a huge part of what they'll need going forward. They have a very good goalie, a top coach who is motivation wizard,. ALl they need is to shore up their defense, which they have the offensive pieces to move if they chose to.

Matthews and Marner are the engineers driving the Leafs train, they aren't going anywhere. But I don't think they would need 'multiple significant' trades to sign a top defenseman, whether it's DD or another one. And that might be they decide, to build a strong top 4 defense unit, not unlike Nashville and what Carolina is doing. DD might not be on their radar, esp at 12M.

But it would be tough for the Kings to sign him as well, esp since Toffoli will be on the last year of his deal , with the new one inked. If he puts up 60 goals over the next 2 years, he'll be out for 7 to 8M. Next summer the Kings have 13M and a bunch of contracts to sign. Even if DD agreed to stay for 11M, that won't be easy.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

You keep saying this but how about we wait for the Oilers to win more than one playoff series in a decade before we declare them unstoppable?

The Kings hadn't won any playoff series in 11 years before 2012

The last series they won prior to that was against the Red Wings in 2001, then proceeded to bow out of the first round in 2002, 2010 and 2011.

The Oilers are a team on the rise. I think at some point, they will be looked upon as the best team in the division. How could they not be with McDavid, Draisaitl, Klefbom, Larsson, Talbot, etc., at the core?

Of course, years of royally sucking got them to that point, but hey, we suffered for a long period of time as well prior to seeing any success.

 

[Martyros]

You keep saying this but how about we wait for the Oilers to win more than one playoff series in a decade before we declare them unstoppable?

Not that I think the Oiler will win the cup next season, but the kings had won a single playoff series in MORE than a decade before winning the cup. I, myself, don't believe that past history has much barring on how they would perform the next season when they've got an already-established franchise player and a great "backup" in Leon.

 

[damacles1156]

I already factored those expiring contracts in. The numbers I mentioned were without JVR, Bozak, Lupul, et al..

They don't have the space.


Edit: I'll explain a different way since I can see my prior post could be confusing.

When Doughty is UFA in 2019-2020, the leafs will have 8 contracts for $35.3 million. That is with $0 for Matthews, Nylander, Marner, and Brown. Add in the $31-32 for them (11.5 + 8 + 8 + 4). That's around $67 million for 12 contracts. The cap in 2 years may be around $79 million leaving 10 contracts with $12 million available.

No room for Doughty on the Leafs roster without multiple significant trades.

All the bad cap space Toronto has locked up atm will be gone by 2019-20. Toronto will have younger players on good enough deals to move and make space for Doughty.

If Doughty wants to play there, the Leafs will make it happen.

A lot is riding on this season. If the Kings struggle and miss the playoff's again I think Doughty will seriously consider UFA.

 

[damacles1156]

The Oilers did good.

They locked up two premium players for their entire Prime production years.

 

[Stimpythecat]

I'm not saying a trade couldn't happen. What I'm saying is Doughty as a UFA to the leafs is not possible without the leafs moving out a number of contracts.

 

[kingsfan28]

Remember the years of facing Yzerman/Fedorov and Forsberg/Sakic in the playoffs? They are back.

The Kings have to start hitting on their draft picks and soon. The Kings have not drafted a true impact player since 2008 despite being in a position many times to do it, hopefully Valardi is the start of better drafting.

All those years of sucking finally have paid off for the Oilers, like when the Pens tanked [ sorry, sucked] to get Crosby,Malkin and Staal.

 

[damacles1156]

I'm not saying a trade couldn't happen. What I'm saying is Doughty as a UFA to the leafs is not possible without the leafs moving out a number of contracts.

That's the situation for just about all contending or legit cup teams.

Any team would make room for Doughty.

 

[kingsfan28]

The Oilers now have a one-two punch down the middle which will make it nearly impossible for the Kings to get past the 2nd round for years to come.

Time to face reality.

I believe the same was said with Crosby/Malkin in the east , yet the Pens got bounce out of the playoffs year after year between cups.

We've all seen how crazy playoff series can get and all it takes is one hot goalie or a serous injury and you're out.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

The Leafs have $$$ moving out on contracts over that same time period JVR and Bosak get them 8M back this year when they're traded and Lupul's 5M off the books after this year as are several others. They have a pretty deep farm system and some young players who can fill some of those roles and cheap vet help for the 4th line if it comes to that. They'll be 29M under the CAP next summer with Nylander's contract due. Matthews and Marner aren't until the following year when most of the expiring contracts will have been addressed with that in mind. It won't be easy, but with the deep farm system they have, it's doable.
Papa Lou and co know how to add and figuring in what their needs are over the next several years.
As for Doughty, he'll sign where he will get the best deal and that is money, term and a chance to win, with a contender.
And that leaves the Kings behind others in the pack.
And if the Leafs want him, they'll move Nylander and his 7 to 8 M to clear up CAP space.

Hopefully to us.

 

[Basilisk]

I guess that means sometime this year, RNH gets moved, they need his $$ , a bunch of contracts next year and he's replaceable. MCD-Draisaitl -Strome is a good group of centers.
McD and LD and 1 and 2 C, should dominate for years...

Do we want RNH? If so, who or what would we give?

 

[KingsFan7824]

The Oilers now have a one-two punch down the middle which will make it nearly impossible for the Kings to get past the 2nd round for years to come.

Time to face reality.

They're not rebuilding until they have to. Just like every other team. Very few teams choose to suck. Anyway, the day they signed Quick to his deal(and all the subsequent contracts after that) was the day the team said we're not going to rebuild until we have no other choice. They still have that choice, however impossibly impossible it is.

 

[King'sPawn]

You keep saying this but how about we wait for the Oilers to win more than one playoff series in a decade before we declare them unstoppable?

Nah, we should just hand them the cup now. Didn't you hear? Games are won on paper nowadays.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

The Oilers have won more playoff games than the Kings have won in the past three years.

Has reality sunk in yet?

 

[King'sPawn]

The Oilers have won more playoff games than the Kings have won in the past three years.

Has reality sunk in yet?

And the Kings won more playoff games in 2014 than the Oilers won in the past 9 years.

What does this equally useless fact have to do with the Oilers being anointed as some playoff paragon prematurely?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Some of us are discussing the present and teams moving forward, a team that had 17 more points than the Kings, scored 46 more goals, and only gave up 7 more goals. They also manhandled a Sharks team the Kings struggle to beat.

They're a team on the rise. Why is it that some of you are so bitter to accept that fact?

 

[KingsFan7824]

Some of us are discussing the present and teams moving forward, a team that had 17 more points than the Kings, scored 46 more goals, and only gave up 7 more goals. They also manhandled a Sharks team the Kings struggle to beat.

They're a team on the rise. Why is it that some of you are so bitter to accept that fact?

I imagine if you force food down someone's throat every day, at some point they're not going to like the food, even if the food is good. I doubt people don't get that the Kings are on a downswing while the Oilers are looking at some smooth sailing for the next decade, but wanting the Kings to rebuild as soon as possible because the bitter writing is on the wall, isn't going to make them rebuild as soon as possible because the bitter writing is on the wall, no matter how mediocre the next few years/decades look. If/When they start trading Carter and Doughty, then cross that bridge when it comes. Until then, they're not going anywhere, the Kings shouldn't even bother stepping on the same ice with all the improving teams in the West, and some people need to accept the fact that they won't rebuild just because some people want them to. Everyone needs to then make their individual entertainment and financial decisions from those facts.

 

[Brodeur]

All those years of sucking finally have paid off for the Oilers, like when the Pens tanked [ sorry, sucked] to get Crosby,Malkin and Staal.

To be fair, Crosby was a lottery where Pittsburgh had a 6.3% chance of winning. They made some aggressive moves coming out of the lockout but stunk which led to the Staal pick. I distinctly remember arguing with a buddy who thought the 2005-06 Penguins were Cup contenders. They had added some brand name guys like Gonchar, LeClair, Recchi, and Palffy. I argued that their defense/goaltending was still a mess and they more resembled a fantasy hockey team.

This was also the same friend that argued that Sean O'Donnell was a better defenseman than Scott Niedermayer. [/coolstorybro]

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

That's the situation for just about all contending or legit cup teams.

Any team would make room for Doughty.

People around here have been pretty spoiled and tend to forget that teams often go insane for just ONE YEAR of being a favorite because there's this hyperfocus on being a dynasty or on top of the heap for multiple years when the reality is you're damn great and lucky to do it for TWO years never mind the duration of a superstar's contract.

"lol you guys are so screwed 5 years from now" seems to be the thinking and really it's like who the **** cares? That's some other GM's problem most likely. I'm going for it now while I have the chance because I'm hired to be fired anyway and the odds of everything coming together--including health (how many people though about Malkin before this year?)--for me in a window again are minuscule.