Around the League '16-'17 Other Teams' Free Agent Frenzy

[KingsFan7824]

People around here have been pretty spoiled and tend to forget that teams often go insane for just ONE YEAR of being a favorite because there's this hyperfocus on being a dynasty or on top of the heap for multiple years when the reality is you're damn great and lucky to do it for TWO years never mind the duration of a superstar's contract.

The likely scenario is that the Kings never have it as good as they did between 2012 and 2014, regardless of what they do from here on out. The time between 2012 and 2014 couldn't have even been predicted the way it all went. Would anyone, anywhere, at any time, have said they would go up 3-0 in every series? That they would not only come back from a 0-3 hole, where they looked awful for a couple games, but also win Game 7 on the road 3 times, in the same single playoff tournament?

No matter who the GM is, who they trade, when they trade them, who they get back in a trade, who they draft, who the coach is, who they sign to contracts, who they let go, etc, prepare yourself. They could make every right move at the right time for the right players and not win the Cup for 30 years.

The Canadiens haven't been what they were in the late 70's. The Islanders and Oilers, unlikely to come close to what they did in the 80's. The Wings, Avs, Devils, and Stars, not what they used to be. The Penguins lucked out a couple times, so good for them. The Rangers have come at least somewhat close just once since their 1994 win.

 

[tsanuri]

Where Edmonton is likely going to be good for the next few years they are going into cap hell as it were starting next year. And for now have nothing to show for it. We're might already be there but we do have two cups and a conference final in a 3 year period that contributed to us getting there.
They have only 13 contracts signed for next year and are at 60.8M already. And they still have Nurse to sign and he's going to get a good raise coming off his ELC.

 

[KINGS17]

The likely scenario is that the Kings never have it as good as they did between 2012 and 2014, regardless of what they do from here on out. The time between 2012 and 2014 couldn't have even been predicted the way it all went. Would anyone, anywhere, at any time, have said they would go up 3-0 in every series? That they would not only come back from a 0-3 hole, where they looked awful for a couple games, but also win Game 7 on the road 3 times, in the same single playoff tournament?

No matter who the GM is, who they trade, when they trade them, who they get back in a trade, who they draft, who the coach is, who they sign to contracts, who they let go, etc, prepare yourself. They could make every right move at the right time for the right players and not win the Cup for 30 years.

The Canadiens haven't been what they were in the late 70's. The Islanders and Oilers, unlikely to come close to what they did in the 80's. The Wings, Avs, Devils, and Stars, not what they used to be. The Penguins lucked out a couple times, so good for them. The Rangers have come at least somewhat close just once since their 1994 win.

Wow, you're right. So, I guess they should just stop trying and revert to the old ways of just hoping to make the playoffs, because once there anything can happen.

Or, they can take a look at the model which actually worked once for them and use that approach.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Wow, you're right. So, I guess they should just stop trying and revert to the old ways of just hoping to make the playoffs, because once there anything can happen.

Or, they can take a look at the model which actually worked once for them and use that approach.

i don't think that's what he was saying, and it's certainly not what I was saying.

My point was in reference to a theoretical Doughty UFA scenario, and some are suggesting younger teams like the Leafs and Oilers wouldn't throw their salary structures out of whack to sign Drew. He's a #1 elite RHD that can play all situations and is a top-5 dman at worst--if you can keep all your young players together for a handful of years AND add arguably the best d-man in the game, you're not going to go "oh, but we'll have salary trouble 3 years from now." Absolutely not. only people really saying that are those who have enjoyed success and want more.

"We could have Doughty and McDavid, but nah, better save that cap space for mediocre players and above-average players like Lucic and Sekera."

 

[deeshamrock]

Do we want RNH? If so, who or what would we give?

I would. I think he's young and skilled and got lost in the shuffle last year. He's not a 3rd liner, esp making 6M, but that's where he might be slotted. And they could move him and upgrade their defense and get a draft pick.

He's a good skater, great stickhandler , decent vision on ice and a good 2 way player. He's just turned 24 , he would be young enough to be part of the TT, TP, GV, etc. future. You put him on that 2nd line with Carter and Pearson, that's a good line.


From what I read/heard, the Oilers did try to move him, perhaps they were asking too much. I think they'd like to have Strome centering the 3rd, he's capable and making 800K or so. They need the $$$. And RNH should bring them an upgrade on defense.

So maybe they were focused on LD's contract and now will examine where their top 9 is prior to camp.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

To be fair, Crosby was a lottery where Pittsburgh had a 6.3% chance of winning. They made some aggressive moves coming out of the lockout but stunk which led to the Staal pick. I distinctly remember arguing with a buddy who thought the 2005-06 Penguins were Cup contenders. They had added some brand name guys like Gonchar, LeClair, Recchi, and Palffy. I argued that their defense/goaltending was still a mess and they more resembled a fantasy hockey team.

This was also the same friend that argued that Sean O'Donnell was a better defenseman than Scott Niedermayer. [/coolstorybro]

Does your buddy also think that Ken Daneyko was better than Scott Stevens? That is quite the bizarre take on Niedermayer.

Tough break for your Devils with today's news on Zajac, out 4-6 months. Guessing they'll be in the running for yet another lottery pick next summer.

 

[deeshamrock]

Does your buddy also think that Ken Daneyko was better than Scott Stevens? That is quite the bizarre take on Niedermayer.

Tough break for your Devils with today's news on Zajac, out 4-6 months. Guessing they'll be in the running for yet another lottery pick next summer.

That's a shame, tough loss for them. Apparently, he tore a pectoral muscle during off season training. THey do have Nico, Zacha and a some other young centers. And Adam Henrique, Brian Boyle can chip in and Marcus Johansson can play all 3 forward positions and was pretty good playing center for the Caps. If Taylor Hall stays healthy, they should be able to manage.

 

[deeshamrock]

In the better late than never dept....


http://mynhltraderumors.com/nhl-new...o-world-cup-of-hockey-matt-cullen/2017/08/17/

On the World Cup of Hockey …

Rick Westhead: Players finally got paid for the World Cup of Hockey. Players who played in the tournament received $86,000 USD before taxes, with non-participants getting $10,000.

 

[Johnny Utah]

The Oilers are on the rise - but they will have some issues in a few years...namely...

Talbot will be a UFA in two seasons

Sekera is 31, Lucic is 29 and both have 4-6 years left on those deals respectively. They both have NMC.

Kris Russell is 30 and has 4 more years on his deal and a NMC.

 

[King'sPawn]

Some of us are discussing the present and teams moving forward, a team that had 17 more points than the Kings, scored 46 more goals, and only gave up 7 more goals. They also manhandled a Sharks team the Kings struggle to beat.

They're a team on the rise. Why is it that some of you are so bitter to accept that fact?

Nobody is bitter to acknowledge they're on the rise.

But comparing one team's worst in recent memory to another team's best and making long term projections in comparison is silly.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

With no Olympics and no World Cup, and no playoffs in two of the last three seasons, I believe we could start eliminating the "Kopitar and company have played too much hockey" excuse from the laundry list of excuses when they miss the playoffs in the upcoming season.

 

[Brodeur]

Does your buddy also think that Ken Daneyko was better than Scott Stevens? That is quite the bizarre take on Niedermayer.

Yeah, one of several weird takes. He assured me that O'Donnell was better since he had a higher +/-. Also said that Niedermayer was so bad defensively that the Ducks didn't use him on the PK. When I looked it up, Niedermayer actually led Anaheim defenders in PK time.

Tough break for your Devils with today's news on Zajac, out 4-6 months. Guessing they'll be in the running for yet another lottery pick next summer.

Yeah, that's a bummer. Even if he didn't put up big offensive numbers, Zajac did a lot of unsung work defensively. On the bright side, that opens up a spot for one of the kids to earn. On the down side, that usually comes with some hiccups.

I feel bad for Hall/Schneider, but a lottery pick to use on one of the highly touted 2018 D might be the best thing long term for the franchise.

 

[kingsfan28]

With no Olympics and no World Cup, and no playoffs in two of the last three seasons, I believe we could start eliminating the "Kopitar and company have played too much hockey" excuse from the laundry list of excuses when they miss the playoffs in the upcoming season.

It will be " we just didn't score enough goals."

 

[damacles1156]

With no Olympics and no World Cup, and no playoffs in two of the last three seasons, I believe we could start eliminating the "Kopitar and company have played too much hockey" excuse from the laundry list of excuses when they miss the playoffs in the upcoming season.

They will blame Sutter.

 

[Basilisk]

I would. I think he's young and skilled and got lost in the shuffle last year. He's not a 3rd liner, esp making 6M, but that's where he might be slotted. And they could move him and upgrade their defense and get a draft pick.

He's a good skater, great stickhandler , decent vision on ice and a good 2 way player. He's just turned 24 , he would be young enough to be part of the TT, TP, GV, etc. future. You put him on that 2nd line with Carter and Pearson, that's a good line.


From what I read/heard, the Oilers did try to move him, perhaps they were asking too much. I think they'd like to have Strome centering the 3rd, he's capable and making 800K or so. They need the $$$. And RNH should bring them an upgrade on defense.

So maybe they were focused on LD's contract and now will examine where their top 9 is prior to camp.

OK, but who would you offer for RNH?


Back when Tatar's future with the Wings was still in question, on the main trade board I offered Clifford, Kempe, and our 1st in 2018. Most Wings fans said "done". For RNH, would that same offer be too much or too little or just right?


Thanks!

 

[damacles1156]

OK, but who would you offer for RNH?


Back when Tatar's future with the Wings was still in question, on the main trade board I offered Clifford, Kempe, and our 1st in 2018. Most Wings fans said "done". For RNH, would that same offer be too much or too little or just right?


Thanks!

EDM wants a potential or stable top 4 Defender for RNH.

The conversation would probably start with Forbort or LaDue with a 1st/2nd pick added.

 

[Bandit]

The Kings hadn't won any playoff series in 11 years before 2012

The last series they won prior to that was against the Red Wings in 2001, then proceeded to bow out of the first round in 2002, 2010 and 2011.

The Oilers are a team on the rise. I think at some point, they will be looked upon as the best team in the division. How could they not be with McDavid, Draisaitl, Klefbom, Larsson, Talbot, etc., at the core?

Of course, years of royally sucking got them to that point, but hey, we suffered for a long period of time as well prior to seeing any success.

Not that I think the Oiler will win the cup next season, but the kings had won a single playoff series in MORE than a decade before winning the cup. I, myself, don't believe that past history has much barring on how they would perform the next season when they've got an already-established franchise player and a great "backup" in Leon.

I'm not saying the Oilers aren't going to have success, but nobody was calling the Kings unstoppable in 2012 either. After 2014 the Kings were favorites, and we got to see firsthand how quickly that fell to pieces. So all I'm saying is before we keep moaning that the Kings aren't going to get past the Oilers for the next decade, just remember our own team, and how quickly fortunes can change and that nothing is guaranteed.

 

[King'sPawn]

I'm not saying the Oilers aren't going to have success, but nobody was calling the Kings unstoppable in 2012 either. After 2014 the Kings were favorites, and we got to see firsthand how quickly that fell to pieces. So all I'm saying is before we keep moaning that the Kings aren't going to get past the Oilers for the next decade, just remember our own team, and how quickly fortunes can change and that nothing is guaranteed.

Quit being so bitter!

 

[deeshamrock]

OK, but who would you offer for RNH?


Back when Tatar's future with the Wings was still in question, on the main trade board I offered Clifford, Kempe, and our 1st in 2018. Most Wings fans said "done". For RNH, would that same offer be too much or too little or just right?


Thanks!

I think Chiarelli would and is looking for a top 4 d as part of a deal. ANd RNH is good enough , for most teams, esp since centers are coveted, to get that.
And given their CAP situation, they could use that money back.

Luk and Blake should be on the phone. So should Ron Francis, the Canes have no top center and a boatload of top young D to offer back, since Sakic has his head up his butt and Duchene isn't moved yet.


I think given the team needs $$$ , he's their best trade chip and they get 6 M back. And in addition to not extending some upcoming expiring contracts ( like Fayne , Jokinen, Maroon and Letestu moving out will bring in 8M ) they will need to move an active body or two out . Nurse and Benning are coming on ELC's this year and both will get a good raise. But then there's the Lucic albatross...

I think Muzzin could be part of a package that might net you RNH. The Oilers are looking to go deep and win a Cup and Muzzin has the vet presence they'd need and has been thru those wars, which is huge and a big difference maker. Different scenario for a team in a Cup window.

 

[KINGS17]

Nobody is bitter to acknowledge they're on the rise.

But comparing one team's worst in recent memory to another team's best and making long term projections in comparison is silly.

How is it silly to acknowledge one team has two young stars (one which will likely lead the NHL in scoring for a number of years) signed for the next 8 years, while the Kings have an aging core?

It's silly to think this roster is going to make it to the WCF again anytime soon. If that's the case, what is the correct course of action?

It's not like the Kings performance was great, then declined rapidly. The trend started three seasons ago, and has been quite evident the last two seasons.

 

[Basilisk]

I think Chiarelli would and is looking for a top 4 d as part of a deal. ANd RNH is good enough , for most teams, esp since centers are coveted, to get that.
And given their CAP situation, they could use that money back.

Luk and Blake should be on the phone. So should Ron Francis, the Canes have no top center and a boatload of top young D to offer back, since Sakic has his head up his butt and Duchene isn't moved yet.


I think given the team needs $$$ , he's their best trade chip and they get 6 M back. And in addition to not extending some upcoming expiring contracts ( like Fayne , Jokinen, Maroon and Letestu moving out will bring in 8M ) they will need to move an active body or two out . Nurse and Benning are coming on ELC's this year and both will get a good raise. But then there's the Lucic albatross...

I think Muzzin could be part of a package that might net you RNH. The Oilers are looking to go deep and win a Cup and Muzzin has the vet presence they'd need and has been thru those wars, which is huge and a big difference maker. Different scenario for a team in a Cup window.

Muzzin and our 2018 1st for RNH? Where do I sign? Would our D survive, though?



Forbort / Doughty
Martinez / Folin
Fantenberg / LaDue

Gravel



Is that D tough enough?



Gaborik / Kopitar / Cam
Pearson / Carter / Toffoli
Brown / RNH / Brodz
Clifford / Lewis / Nolan

Shore, Dowd, AA

 

[KINGS17]

Muzzin and our 2018 1st for RNH? Where do I sign? Would our D survive, though?



Forbort / Doughty
Martinez / Folin
Fantenberg / LaDue

Gravel



Is that D tough enough?



Gaborik / Kopitar / Cam
Pearson / Carter / Toffoli
Brown / RNH / Brodz
Clifford / Lewis / Nolan

Shore, Dowd, AA

Not sure I would want to do the deal if the Kings have to include a 1st round pick. I don't dislike Nugent-Hopkins, but I don't see his value being that high in a trade.

 

[Basilisk]

Not sure I would want to do the deal if the Kings have to include a 1st round pick. I don't dislike Nugent-Hopkins, but I don't see his value being that high in a trade.

I wouldn't want to either, but there might be a bidding war.

 

[deeshamrock]

Not sure I would want to do the deal if the Kings have to include a 1st round pick. I don't dislike Nugent-Hopkins, but I don't see his value being that high in a trade.

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Depends on how much (if that was the case) Blake figures RNH would help the now and future . Also, it might not be 1st rounder and /or another piece or pick would come back. I think both Blake and Luc have seen how valuable the draft is and those assets esp in the Kings depleted system ,are required. I'm not sure how good a negotiator Blake is or if an old school savvy GM would be able to finagle a trade differently.

 

[Kingspiracy]

Muzzin and our 2018 1st for RNH? Where do I sign? Would our D survive, though?



Forbort / Doughty
Martinez / Folin
Fantenberg / LaDue

Gravel



Is that D tough enough?



Gaborik / Kopitar / Cam
Pearson / Carter / Toffoli
Brown / RNH / Brodz
Clifford / Lewis / Nolan

Shore, Dowd, AA

Hell no. Muzzin and a potential high first for nuge isnt a good idea.

As a straight swap perhaps, but i wouldnt add.