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All I know is that Lombardi isn't doing anything out of the ordinary. Who is trading all their big money guys, or letting them walk out the door? I guess NJ maybe allowed Parise to go, more like he went home to play, then a few years later traded a defenseman for a forward that plays Parise's position, and are basically no better or worse than they've been for years.

What Lombardi should've done at the 2015 draft is trade Kopitar away, not trade for Lucic. The same thing he did back at the 2006 draft when people were thinking a trade between Minnesota and LA might've involved Gaborik coming here, but instead was Demitra going there.

Doing what most GMs ordinarily do is not the path to success. As myself and a few others have mentioned, I think the owners don't like what the GMs are doing with these 8-year deals.

I think they will try to reign their GMs in using the next CBA.
 
Let kopitar walk because he doesn't sign a sweetheart deal--then pray you find another top-10 NHL center in the next 20 years.

Let Doughty walk because he'll probably command a high salary but he ain't getting younger--then pray we get another d-man like him sometime in franchise history.

Let Brown walk after beastmoding the team and captaining them to their first championship in years.

Let Gaborik walk after scoring 14 goals en route to our second cup.

So, who do you pay, and how do you replace them, keeping in mind guys like Doughty and Kopitar aren't exactly dime-a-dozen players and there are teams who have rebuilt for a decade that haven't found guys to take their mantles? BUt I guess at least they have cap space/money...

All I see is advocation of an endless cycle of HOPEFULLY boom and certain bust, hoping you make trades for youngsters and hit your lottery picks--but when it comes time to pay those picks, let them walk because they're too pricey and start over.
 
Let kopitar walk because he doesn't sign a sweetheart deal--then pray you find another top-10 NHL center in the next 20 years.

Let Doughty walk because he'll probably command a high salary but he ain't getting younger--then pray we get another d-man like him sometime in franchise history.

Let Brown walk after beastmoding the team and captaining them to their first championship in years.

Let Gaborik walk after scoring 14 goals en route to our second cup.

So, who do you pay, and how do you replace them, keeping in mind guys like Doughty and Kopitar aren't exactly dime-a-dozen players and there are teams who have rebuilt for a decade that haven't found guys to take their mantles? BUt I guess at least they have cap space/money...

All I see is advocation of an endless cycle of HOPEFULLY boom and certain bust, hoping you make trades for youngsters and hit your lottery picks--but when it comes time to pay those picks, let them walk because they're too pricey and start over.

I never said let him walk. You trade him. You get younger, you get deeper.

There was no need to let Brown go anywhere after the first cup as his contract wasn't up until after the lockout season, but you don't give him 8 years!!! Hasn't Brown's contract by itself proven what many others are saying? If some other GM wants to give Brown the kind of contract he received from Dean let the other GM do it and move on.

What do the Kings have? Kopitar, Brown, and Gaborik signed to ridiculous contracts and NO cap space. How does it get better from here? Does having these players on those deals make it easier?

All I see is living in the past. Here is where you are wrong in your thinking. When it's time to pay your picks and prospects, you pick the best of the litter and pay them on their 2nd contracts, and lock them up through what should be their best years. Players are commodities. They are wasting assets. Giving 8-year deals to 29-year old players is not wise, because 29-year old players are not entering their prime.
 
Let kopitar walk because he doesn't sign a sweetheart deal--then pray you find another top-10 NHL center in the next 20 years.

Let Doughty walk because he'll probably command a high salary but he ain't getting younger--then pray we get another d-man like him sometime in franchise history.

Let Brown walk after beastmoding the team and captaining them to their first championship in years.

Let Gaborik walk after scoring 14 goals en route to our second cup.

So, who do you pay, and how do you replace them, keeping in mind guys like Doughty and Kopitar aren't exactly dime-a-dozen players and there are teams who have rebuilt for a decade that haven't found guys to take their mantles? BUt I guess at least they have cap space/money...

All I see is advocation of an endless cycle of HOPEFULLY boom and certain bust, hoping you make trades for youngsters and hit your lottery picks--but when it comes time to pay those picks, let them walk because they're too pricey and start over.

Letting a player walk isn't the only option. And you're being a bit dramatic to think the Kings won't trade or draft another top 10 center for 20 years.
Hockey is a business, the players are commodities and if you are a good businessman, you sell high. You keep your company top 10, a winning company.
GM's that are smart, do sell high. DL could have opted to trade Kopi in 2015, and as he would never have been more valuable. He could have been objective and looked into the future, stats and other wise, and realized that Kopi will not be as good or productive over the next 6 yrs as he's been over the past 6. He could have netted a top young center, a top prospect and a number pick. But I think DL thought that Kopi would move on dollar and term , so he elected to wait it out. Kopi had no intention of moving, he put his number out there and drew a line in the sand and never budged. DL has a top 2 way center who over the next few years, should be a 20 goal, 50 pt player. And if he had a young top #2 line center, about 24 or so, or one 18 or 19 in the pipleline, that might work. But he didn't have that and knew it. It was not a good choice. Unless he has a grand plan this summer to make some big moves and get that young center (moving Carter to wing) but he doesn't have the assets for that because of the bad trades he's made over the last 2 years. Holding onto the past.

WHat makes you think Doughty will want to sign in LA? Two years from now, they will not be a top team and there will be teams younger and more skilled who are Cupi contenders., the Leafs for one. DD is gonna want his money, it's his home run deal. So hopefully , DL recognizes that and sells high, the year before.
He is too emotionally connected, they aren't his 'kids' and the fact he won't cut the cord on some of them, (King, Cliiford, Lewis, Nolan, ec, 'guys that got us there') is hurting this team.

Gabby should not have been given an LTC for that length as a reward for goals scored that year. That was a high risk, low reward deal and a bad choice for a player historically that is very injury prone and older.

Brown was both rewarded and DL had no way of knowing that Brown would turn 30 and decline that badly. He's played well this year, but those 38 pts or so he'll get do not merit 5.8M. He's a 30 pt player, on average. But that's water under the bridge now. Brown isn't going anywhere and the team has to eat that CAP loss and try to offset it by getting younger cheaper players.

There are options...he has to realize the errors of his ways and build a better mousetrap going forward. It not very smart to have 5 players on LTC's in their 30's. Which is the price he's paid for heart over head decisions.
 
Yes players are business commodities. GMs are also employed; literally no GM in sports is going to trade his top player(s) not even a year removed from a championship while he and the team are still in their primes unless you're what, the Marlins? It's literally that simple.

"Hey, we've got two championships in three years, but this guy is coming off his middle contract--we could be a favorite again this year, but we should sell him and start over!" Said literally no one but fans on message boards and people fired from front offices.
 
I probably wouldn't have re-signed Gaborik of all the deals troubling us. I'd have tried to get Kopitar to sign for less too, but I still would've signed him.
 
Yes players are business commodities. GMs are also employed; literally no GM in sports is going to trade his top player(s) not even a year removed from a championship while he and the team are still in their primes unless you're what, the Marlins? It's literally that simple.

"Hey, we've got two championships in three years, but this guy is coming off his middle contract--we could be a favorite again this year, but we should sell him and start over!" Said literally no one but fans on message boards and people fired from front offices.

Kopitar was turning 28 that summer, not 'in his prime'. "in his prime' would be 25 or 26. Eight yr deal starting at 29 is not in his prime. He was exiting his prime and an 8 yr deal would take him to 37. And the Kings being contenders is a matter of opinion. I didn't see that because the 2014 team's Cup run was will over skill, thre straight 7 game series dictated that. And had it not been for a puck in OT bouncing off Leddy, they don't win that Cup.

They were a very good team but one with an aging core, contract issues and still in league that doesn't stand still. OTher teams get better, their young players grow, trades are made to made top 6 team a top 3 team. He made a choice, that 's fine, but it doesn't mean it best choice. That is a question that will never be answered. There is no way to 'see' what would have happened If he had traded Kopt for a top young center, prospect and #1 pick. How do you know Montreal, who is a shrinking Cup window, would not have overpaid with Galchenyuk to get Kopi?
Trading him would not have to be 'starting over'. That would have depended on who that trade was for. Again, we'll never know. But I don't see it as clear cut as you do.
 
I probably wouldn't have re-signed Gaborik of all the deals troubling us. I'd have tried to get Kopitar to sign for less too, but I still would've signed him.

It's the player's choice to sign where he wants, not the reverse. And that was not up to DL, it was all on Kopi. He put that 8 x 10M contract on the table in July of 2015 and never moved, despite all the counter offers DL made. It wasn't DL's decision to 'sign' Kopi, it was Kopi's to sign for the amount and term he wanted, no less .
 
Kopitar was turning 28 that summer, not 'in his prime'. "in his prime' would be 25 or 26. Eight yr deal starting at 29 is not in his prime. He was exiting his prime and an 8 yr deal would take him to 37. And the Kings being contenders is a matter of opinion. I didn't see that because the 2014 team's Cup run was will over skill, thre straight 7 game series dictated that. And had it not been for a puck in OT bouncing off Leddy, they don't win that Cup.

They were a very good team but one with an aging core, contract issues and still in league that doesn't stand still. OTher teams get better, their young players grow, trades are made to made top 6 team a top 3 team. He made a choice, that 's fine, but it doesn't mean it best choice. That is a question that will never be answered. There is no way to 'see' what would have happened If he had traded Kopt for a top young center, prospect and #1 pick. How do you know Montreal, who is a shrinking Cup window, would not have overpaid with Galchenyuk to get Kopi?
Trading him would not have to be 'starting over'. That would have depended on who that trade was for. Again, we'll never know. But I don't see it as clear cut as you do.

I don't have time to go back and find it, but this is one of the players I said would be a fit for a Kopitar deal.

Carter and Galchenyuk down the middle would have been pretty good. Plus it wouldn't have only been Galchenyuk coming back the Kings way in that deal.

You're right, we will never know.
 
Doing what most GMs ordinarily do is not the path to success. As myself and a few others have mentioned, I think the owners don't like what the GMs are doing with these 8-year deals.

I think they will try to reign their GMs in using the next CBA.

I'm sure they don't, but that's the world they created with the cap. Now they have to micro-manage everything a GM can do, because GM's want to keep their job, and they do that by winning, and they do that by signing guys, and not constantly trading people.

Every time a guy comes up for a new contract after the ELC, he should be traded. Maybe you push trading the player until after the short 2nd contract. After that though, they need to be gotten rid of. You know as soon as the first big deal is signed, that guy is going to be worth less every year that goes by. Can't wait too long to trade them, so better to trade them too early than too late.

Hockey is a business, the players are commodities and if you are a good businessman, you sell high. You keep your company top 10, a winning company.
GM's that are smart, do sell high.

Who are the GM's that are doing this? Imagine what the Oilers or Leafs could get for McDavid or Matthews on their ELC's. They should be trading those guys.

DL could have opted to trade Kopi in 2015, and as he would never have been more valuable. He could have been objective and looked into the future, stats and other wise, and realized that Kopi will not be as good or productive over the next 6 yrs as he's been over the past 6. He could have netted a top young center, a top prospect and a number pick. But I think DL thought that Kopi would move on dollar and term , so he elected to wait it out. Kopi had no intention of moving, he put his number out there and drew a line in the sand and never budged. DL has a top 2 way center who over the next few years, should be a 20 goal, 50 pt player. And if he had a young top #2 line center, about 24 or so, or one 18 or 19 in the pipleline, that might work. But he didn't have that and knew it. It was not a good choice. Unless he has a grand plan this summer to make some big moves and get that young center (moving Carter to wing) but he doesn't have the assets for that because of the bad trades he's made over the last 2 years. Holding onto the past.

If things were that linear, it would be easy. Constantly having the next young, great, and cheap player coming up to replace someone. If it was really that simple, every team would do that.

WHat makes you think Doughty will want to sign in LA? Two years from now, they will not be a top team and there will be teams younger and more skilled who are Cupi contenders., the Leafs for one. DD is gonna want his money, it's his home run deal. So hopefully , DL recognizes that and sells high, the year before.
He is too emotionally connected, they aren't his 'kids' and the fact he won't cut the cord on some of them, (King, Cliiford, Lewis, Nolan, ec, 'guys that got us there') is hurting this team.

Why just the year before? What are you holding onto with Doughty? This team isn't going anywhere soon. Get Doughty out by the draft this year. Certainly Carter needs to go at the draft. Toffoli, he's not going to live up to whatever contract he gets. Pearson, he won't be as efficient as he is this year in terms of the contract/production ratio. You can trade those 4 guys for something. Muzzin and Martinez too.

Trade those 6 guys, as they're actually worth something, watch the big ticket guys that have to stay keep the team out of the playoffs, load up on high picks, and then when Gaborik and Brown are finally gone in 2021 and 2022, you hopefully have a good young foundation to support an older, expensive, and declined Kopitar and Quick.

That's the smart thing to do. Get it done as soon as you can. Anything short of that path is wasting time. Might as well trade Forbort too. Still cheap, but move him while he's on a high and still cheap. Trade Kempe, while he still has some prospect cred, before his value drops.
 
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If he had traded Kopt for a top young center, prospect and #1 pick. How do you know Montreal, who is a shrinking Cup window, would not have overpaid with Galchenyuk to get Kopi?

A smart GM doesn't trade Galchenyuk for Kopitar. Not when the guy is so young and cheap. Montreal traded a younger Subban for an older Weber, but Subban also has the 6th largest cap hit in the league, larger then Weber's.

You have a shrinking Cup window, and then shrink it more? No, you try to extend it by keeping the younger and cheaper player. Any good company does that. Montreal is better than the Kings today because they didn't do something dumb like trade Galchenyuk for Kopitar.
 
I don't have time to go back and find it, but this is one of the players I said would be a fit for a Kopitar deal.

Carter and Galchenyuk down the middle would have been pretty good. Plus it wouldn't have only been Galchenyuk coming back the Kings way in that deal.

You're right, we will never know.

Why would we have Carter? He's over 30! He should already be a prospect and a pick!
 
Why would we have Carter? He's over 30! He should already be a prospect and a pick!

We would still have Carter IF the team after a trade involving Kopitar could get back into cup contention within a short period of time. A lot would have depended on what the Kings received in return for Kopitar.

You're right in one aspect though. The Kings are not cup contenders, so the best players you have over 30 years of age should probably be sold to restock.

Can't imagine a GM taking on Kopitar's contract at this point. Our only hope is he finds a way to get back to where he was 4 or 5 years ago. Not likely.
 
I haven't been paying attention to the Sabres and just noticed they are 2 pts out of a wild card spot. If they win today, and the Isles and Leafs lose they will be tied for the 2nd WC , or remain 2 pts back with a win. Wasn't expecting them to be this close this year. Then again, wasn't expecting the bottom tier of the Atlantic to be so weak for most of the year. Although the Panthers finally found a groove and got a healthy Barkov and Huberdeau back, they are trending up. But props to the Sabres for hanging in for a long stretch when their best player was hurt.

Good young team, going in the right direction. SHame Eichel missed so many games he's really playing well now., 32 pts in 38 games. That could have made a difference. With ROR that's a pretty good center combo, Ristolainen is playing well. I think they need to get a goalie, but they have a lot ot young talent in the works.
 
I haven't been paying attention to the Sabres and just noticed they are 2 pts out of a wild card spot. If they win today, and the Isles and Leafs lose they will be tied for the 2nd WC , or remain 2 pts back with a win. Wasn't expecting them to be this close this year. Then again, wasn't expecting the bottom tier of the Atlantic to be so weak for most of the year. Although the Panthers finally found a groove and got a healthy Barkov and Huberdeau back, they are trending up. But props to the Sabres for hanging in for a long stretch when their best player was hurt.

Good young team, going in the right direction. SHame Eichel missed so many games he's really playing well now. That could have made a difference. With ROR that's a pretty good center combo, Ristolainen is playing well. I think they need to get a goalie, but they have a lot ot young talent in the works.

They're finally getting healthy and it's showing.
 
I haven't been paying attention to the Sabres and just noticed they are 2 pts out of a wild card spot. If they win today, and the Isles and Leafs lose they will be tied for the 2nd WC , or remain 2 pts back with a win. Wasn't expecting them to be this close this year. Then again, wasn't expecting the bottom tier of the Atlantic to be so weak for most of the year. Although the Panthers finally found a groove and got a healthy Barkov and Huberdeau back, they are trending up. But props to the Sabres for hanging in for a long stretch when their best player was hurt.

Good young team, going in the right direction. SHame Eichel missed so many games he's really playing well now., 32 pts in 38 games. That could have made a difference. With ROR that's a pretty good center combo, Ristolainen is playing well. I think they need to get a goalie, but they have a lot ot young talent in the works.

They've been on fire since Eichel came back. Slots everyone correctly .

Really shows the effect on the 'pack' teams. Injuries can be devastating. yes, everyone has them, but the average team gets destroyed by them.
 
For anybody who hasn't seen this yet on NHL Network or elsewhere, this is pure wow.
Avs and Bolts in OT and Jonathan Drouin and the shift of the year, which he gets rewarded for his efforts in the GWG.

Amazing just absolutely amazing. I see an effort like this in that situation and it reminds my of why I love this sport and how much skill some of these guys have and the artistry they can handle with such grace under pressure.

https://twitter.com/JArnholz/status/833528204732334080
 
Calgary makes a move for a 2nd pairing RHD in Stone.

Great deal for Calgary, I really like Stone, and that gets Wideman off the map for them. Bad news for us.
 
Can't imagine a GM taking on Kopitar's contract at this point. Our only hope is he finds a way to get back to where he was 4 or 5 years ago. Not likely.

This is pretty dramatic. I know you disappeared last year when Kopitar was playing lights out, but he did win the Selke last year. Not 4 or 5 years ago. He always starts slow then he got hurt. I'm pretty sure the majority of the league if not every single other team would be looking to fit Kopitar in if he were available.
 
Doesn't seem like a lot for a right handed defenseman. Especially with retaining 50%. With 1 goal and 9 points in 45 games, the Flames are buying low, and the Coyotes are selling low.

I guess the Coyotes should've traded Stone at the draft last year, coming off a career year, with 1 year until being a UFA. Another dumb non-move by another team.
 
This is pretty dramatic. I know you disappeared last year when Kopitar was playing lights out, but he did win the Selke last year. Not 4 or 5 years ago. He always starts slow then he got hurt. I'm pretty sure the majority of the league if not every single other team would be looking to fit Kopitar in if he were available.

Not true, but I won't go into it here.

Yes, he won a Selke. Should have happened much sooner.

Every team in the league? This is a dramatic statement.
 
Calgary makes a move for a 2nd pairing RHD in Stone.

Great deal for Calgary, I really like Stone, and that gets Wideman off the map for them. Bad news for us.

I like Stone too and it's a nice pickup for them, he'll fare much better on a better team. And getting a top 4 d for a 3rd round pick and they're retaining 50% is a smart move.
And they're not done...they are shopping for a goalie as well. And Wideman already had one skate out the door.
and now that Arizona is open for business, Hanzal will be next. Habs should do that, if price for Duchene is too high. They need a top 6 center.


From what the TSN guys have been hinting at for the last few days, another defenseman being called about is Oduya, 3 teams pushing for him, Pens are one of them and with 2 d down, will be aggressive.
 
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