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Trolfoli said:
Cup window closed without Quick. Pens/Lightining/Blues/Sharks are all showing you can make a push with a back-up. :laugh:

Yup that's the price. Lombardi got the price lower due to the term. Still a 10 year contract, under the old collective bargaining agreement that has a significant penalty associated with it is a bad contract. Contract does not have anything to do with Quick. Same with Brown. I like him and his game, when Sutter's not putting him in the top 6. His contract blows...
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That's the exception rather than the rule, though.

Save percentage of last 10 cup winners:
2015: Crawford, .924
2014: Quick, .911 (misleading,b ut I don't care to get into that argument)
2013: Crawford, .932
2012: Quick, .946
2011: Thomas, .940
2010: Niemi, .910
2009: Fleury, .908
2008: Osgood, .930
2007: Giguere, .922
2006: Ward, .920
2004: Bulin, .933

Way more often than not, it's an elite goalie, or an above average goalie PLAYING elite. Those save percentages obviously don't tell the whole picture, but they do for a lot of them, and those with a lower save percentage had some sort of other team magic going on as well. The great majority of those guys played out of their minds.

Maybe the 'average goalie' being better ups the odds of a potentially elite performance from any one random team to where the odds gap is closed; but by a large margin the winners had one of the top three regular goalies in the playoffs and often had to face off against the 'other' best goalie in the playoffs.

In other words, hey, if you want to buy into the 'replacement level goaltending' thing and try to throw minimal money at two guys and pray for the next Michael Leighton, go for it...then again, you could throw even more money at two more reputed guys. Ask Dallas how that went.

Long story short, if Quick has a bad contract, just about every sole-starting goaltender has a bad contract.
 
Brown played over and above his previous deal and the captain got a nice raise coming off 2012 and then a great regular season in '13. The AAV was a bargain for the numbers he was putting up at the time but everyone knew it would be a problem down the line.

Just didn't know down the line was Year 1 of the deal haha.

As for Quick, his contract could be horrendous in the later years but that's the risk with all of the cap-circumventing deals from the prior CBA. His deal was up and he had to be signed under the CBA at the time which allowed for the front-loading. It's not an issue at present but could become one just like Kopitar's could be a problem eventually.

You going to let him walk though? I mean, some of the sentiment around here lately harkens back to a time in 2009-2011 where fans were clamoring for Cap Space to be the #2C and #1LW along with the #2 and #3D. Pretty sure that Cap Space was the most popular player on the team until 2012 happened.
 
Kingsfan1 said:
Im one of those people that feel maybe we could have capitalized on an extremely high turnaround on Quick and kept Jones. Maybe we could have got a #2 defenseman + for Quick and rolled with Jones. Id bet our team would be better off.
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A #2D +? + what? What team is trading an established #2D for a goalie? Jones got a mid 1st round pick, and had less value while he was a King as a RFA sitting behind Quick. Schneider got the 9th pick. Luongo hasn't gone for much when he's been dealt. Always different variables involved, but Hasek, Roy, and Belfour didn't bring that much back.

That's the thing with goalies. If you're trading one, something is causing it. Teams don't normally get rid of a #1 goalie that is winning games. It's not just a change things up sort of a deal. You can only play one at a time. There's no making him a 3rd line checker, or decreasing his ice time to a 3rd pair on defense. A goalie either plays, or he sits, there's no in between. If Lombardi was going to trade Quick, since most teams don't need a goalie, especially one with a good size contract, that team would've gotten him for less than you hope.
 
theMajor said:
it WAS a discount contract, he negotiated with Dean man to man after deciding not to go through his agent. hindsight is 20/20, yes, but Brown's deal at the time it was signed was at a 'discount' to the Kings org. it would be a fun exercise to revisit that thread because I dont remember many fans being unhappy with it like you are claiming here
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I agree it would be good to dig up the main board one. I maybe remembering incorrectly but I believe most thought it would be a bad deal
 
Trolfoli said:
Brown's contract is a deal right now!!! It's all about how you look at it. 5.875 AAV is way better then the 7.25M from the last two years or 7M salary from next year.

Cup window closed without Quick. Pens/Lightining/Blues/Sharks are all showing you can make a push with a back-up. :laugh:

Sorry Jones, but you're a Shark now so you have to expect some shots.
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Brown's deal is not a discount as he should not be making $7M in the first place.

Your point about the Pens is accurate. However I believe Jones is not the backup (point with joins may still coutn as he was Quicks's), Elliotte is not the backup nor is Bishop. Vasilevsky has started one game and is 0-1.

If LA had a matt murray behind Quick than this maybe a different story, but if you move out Quick the cup window is closed. LA would have to find a replacement on the open market and would not find a better one for less of a cap hit.
 
Hawks shopping overseas again, like they did last year when they landed Panarin, they're close to signing top KHL defenseman Michal Kempny .

http://www.secondcityhockey.com/201...lackhawks-khl-statistics-nhl-free-agency-2016

Kempny, 25, is considered one of the top players available out of the KHL, Russia's top hockey league, this year. After starring with HC Kometo Brno of the Czech league in his early 20s and making the leap to Avangard Omsk of the KHL in 2015-16, he quickly acclimated himself as one of the top blue liners in the league.
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YP44 said:
I would be too.. I wonder how Chicago is the more desirable destination. What are they offering? Maybe more performance bonuses or something.
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I asked Jon Rosen about him a couple weeks ago and he didn't even know who the guy was. Isn't Kempny a left handed puck mover projected to be a 4-5? Kings already have Gravel and Forbort for that role.
 
WHOneedsSOX said:
I asked Jon Rosen about him a couple weeks ago and he didn't even know who the guy was. Isn't Kempny a left handed puck mover projected to be a 4-5? Kings already have Gravel and Forbort for that role.
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ya maybe Kempny would be redundant, but after missing out on that Goalie that signed with the flyers it would be nice for LA to grab one of these guys
 
YP44 said:
ya maybe Kempny would be redundant, but after missing out on that Goalie that signed with the flyers it would be nice for LA to grab one of these guys
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Would a guy like Kempny/Panarin (before the season) be waiver exempt?
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
That's the exception rather than the rule, though.

Save percentage of last 10 cup winners:
2015: Crawford, .924
2014: Quick, .911 (misleading,b ut I don't care to get into that argument)
2013: Crawford, .932
2012: Quick, .946
2011: Thomas, .940
2010: Niemi, .910
2009: Fleury, .908
2008: Osgood, .930
2007: Giguere, .922
2006: Ward, .920
2004: Bulin, .933

Way more often than not, it's an elite goalie, or an above average goalie PLAYING elite. Those save percentages obviously don't tell the whole picture, but they do for a lot of them, and those with a lower save percentage had some sort of other team magic going on as well. The great majority of those guys played out of their minds.

Maybe the 'average goalie' being better ups the odds of a potentially elite performance from any one random team to where the odds gap is closed; but by a large margin the winners had one of the top three regular goalies in the playoffs and often had to face off against the 'other' best goalie in the playoffs.

In other words, hey, if you want to buy into the 'replacement level goaltending' thing and try to throw minimal money at two guys and pray for the next Michael Leighton, go for it...then again, you could throw even more money at two more reputed guys. Ask Dallas how that went.

Long story short, if Quick has a bad contract, just about every sole-starting goaltender has a bad contract.
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Elite goaltending helps. Just noticed that 2 of the teams left are on their backups. Blues goalie isn't great, and Jones is a first year starter. So I guess it's not needed.

Man does that Sharks power play look good. After hearing the story about how the power play unit takes it on themselves to go and practice their plays at the end of practice, you can see it really paying off. Also I bet it helps the guys make plays/build chemistry when not on the powerplay.

Then you think about how that's not even possible with the Kings because most of the time Sutter just throws out whatever line combos he's currently running for the power play. The Kings don't even have a first PP unit. :shakehead

Did Sutter sign for 2 or 3 years? :laugh:
 
Trolfoli said:
Elite goaltending helps. Just noticed that 2 of the teams left are on their backups. Blues goalie isn't great, and Jones is a first year starter. So I guess it's not needed.

Man does that Sharks power play look good. After hearing the story about how the power play unit takes it on themselves to go and practice their plays at the end of practice, you can see it really paying off. Also I bet it helps the guys make plays/build chemistry when not on the powerplay.

Then you think about how that's not even possible with the Kings because most of the time Sutter just throws out whatever line combos he's currently running for the power play. The Kings don't even have a first PP unit. :shakehead

Did Sutter sign for 2 or 3 years? :laugh:
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You actually think Sutter is flying by the seat of his pants? :laugh:
 
kingsholygrail said:
I'm a rational human being, so no. :laugh:
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After watching a year of Brown/Stoll/Williams fail on the PP, it is clear that Sutter doesn't give 2 ***** about the PP. It doesn't play into high volume of low % shots and earning wins. Relying on the PP is like Sutter taking the Shootout seriously. Just not something he's concerned with.

It's easy to rationalize things when you don't get the big picture. ;)
 
Trolfoli said:
After watching a year of Brown/Stoll/Williams fail on the PP, it is clear that Sutter doesn't give 2 ***** about the PP. It doesn't play into high volume of low % shots and earning wins. Relying on the PP is like Sutter taking the Shootout seriously. Just not something he's concerned with.

It's easy to rationalize things when you don't get the big picture. ;)
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Kings were #8 on the power play this season. But no, Sutter doesn't care about the powerplay. He just draws names out of a hat.

When will this meme die? It's right up there with Sutter doesn't let players shoot the puck, Sutter never plays rookies, Sutter doesn't make enough adjustments, and Sutter makes too many adjustments.

You guys will do anything to not criticize your husbandos on the team.
 
Trolfoli said:
Elite goaltending helps. Just noticed that 2 of the teams left are on their backups. Blues goalie isn't great, and Jones is a first year starter. So I guess it's not needed.

Man does that Sharks power play look good. After hearing the story about how the power play unit takes it on themselves to go and practice their plays at the end of practice, you can see it really paying off. Also I bet it helps the guys make plays/build chemistry when not on the powerplay.

Then you think about how that's not even possible with the Kings because most of the time Sutter just throws out whatever line combos he's currently running for the power play. The Kings don't even have a first PP unit. :shakehead

Did Sutter sign for 2 or 3 years? :laugh:
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See above where I said it's the exception rather than the rule.

It's starting to remind me of after 2010's epic Niemi-Leighton duel when the replacement-level goaltending chatter started...then elite goalies rattled off 5 straight elite performances for cup winners.
 
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