Around the League '15-'16--PLAYOFFS? edition

[Trolfoli]

Where have we seen giveaways like that before[cough,cough Karlsson cough,cough] ?

Karlsson doesn't have a lot of turnovers in the playoffs.

The oceans are rising,
tidal zones flooded,
overflowing with Shark tears.

 

[kingsfan28]

Burns was only credited with one turnover, then they showed the other 5 that he wasn't credited for that were even worse.

 

[Little Psycho]

Backes is an idiot for pulling Thorton's beard. Burrows is a bad influence.

 

[Trolfoli]

Backes is an idiot for pulling Thorton's beard. Burrows is a bad influence.

Normally I'd say tugging on someones beard is complete justification for punching that idiot, but everyone knows Thorton's a softy and that beard is weird. Completely justified here.

Now Burns has the crazy-man/homeless beard going. You just don't want to go near that. Who knows what he's cultivating in there and he might be nuts. Not worth the gamble.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Burns was only credited with one turnover, then they showed the other 5 that he wasn't credited for that were even worse.

Meanwhile, Drew gets credited with a giveaway for saving a puck on the goal line and dumping it out of the zone perfectly for no icing.

Normally I'd say tugging on someones beard is complete justification for punching that idiot, but everyone knows Thorton's a softy and that beard is weird. Completely justified here.

Now Burns has the crazy-man/homeless beard going. You just don't want to go near that. Who knows what he's cultivating in there and he might be nuts. Not worth the gamble.

This is hilarious from Backes though




Also also, feels good that all the people going "lol LA kept the wrong goalie" here and elsewhere get a reprieve for a night...again.

 

[Trolfoli]

This is hilarious from Backes though




Also also, feels good that all the people going "lol LA kept the wrong goalie" here and elsewhere get a reprieve for a night...again.

Thornton is such a *****. Someone pulls on your beard you're fighting them. Otherwise you aren't tough enough to have a beard! I don't care if it's a playoff game, Hockey refs aren't giving you an extra penalty for standing up for your beard.



About keeping the wrong goalie. Anyone that says that hasn't looked into the recapture penalty for Quick.

Which brings me to my next point... Quick making 7/7/7/7/3.5/3/2.5 until he's 1,000 years old might be enough to leave him unprotected during the expansion draft without loosing him. Is an expansion team going to be shelling out 21M over 3 years for Quick with a good chance he retires at some point in the next couple. Kings could bring in one of the good backups that might get moved due to the draft and leave Quick unprotected.

Edit: The Quick contract is like the Brown. It's so bad you don't have to protect them in the expansion!!!! It's all coming up Deano!!!

 

[occy30]

Why are they "ooing" when Elliot makes a save?

Elliot's nickname is Moose so they are chanting Moose when he makes saves.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

The Quick contract is like the Brown. It's so bad you don't have to protect them in the expansion!!!! It's all coming up Deano!!!

Maybe I missed the joke, since when is Quick's contract bad? I'm counting 13 other NHL goalies who get paid more than him and only 2 of those 13 have cups. Oh yeah, and NONE of them have a Conn Smythe trophy.

 

[YP44]

Maybe I missed the joke, since when is Quick's contract bad? I'm counting 13 other NHL goalies who get paid more than him and only 2 of those 13 have cups. Oh yeah, and NONE of them have a Conn Smythe trophy.

ya Quick's deal is very good for LA

 

[yankeeking]

Maybe I missed the joke, since when is Quick's contract bad? I'm counting 13 other NHL goalies who get paid more than him and only 2 of those 13 have cups. Oh yeah, and NONE of them have a Conn Smythe trophy.

some of these guys forget we waited decades to have a goalie like quick and at 5.8 cap hit after the run we had he's right it looks like browns but browns team friendly one ......get someone who can move the puck and quick goes back elite status , not being able to move the puck will kill every goalie

 

[Trolfoli]

Maybe I missed the joke, since when is Quick's contract bad? I'm counting 13 other NHL goalies who get paid more than him and only 2 of those 13 have cups. Oh yeah, and NONE of them have a Conn Smythe trophy.

The contract is great right now!!! In the future it's going to be pretty bad. Either the Kings get hit with a recapture penalty or they have Quick playing out the last few years of the contract at 6M. Remember when Brown's contract was a discount? Now, not so much?

Also from an expansion teams point of view, they may not want to spend $7M (21 totall) on a goalie for the first 3 years when they are sorting out their teams. They'll probably go with guys that don't cost as much, and will be with the team more then a handful of years before retiring. Quick will be getting up there in a couple of years. I don't see an expansion team taking him.

Edit: Then you have Sutter adjusting the Kings style. Is Sutter going to be successful at changing his game plan? How's the team going to adapt? Do they have the personnel? Why does any of this matter with regards to Quick? What's Quick save % going to look like with the team going through a transition and young guys getting lots of ice time? I'm expecting a dip in his goalie stats next year.

 

[YP44]

The contract is great right now!!! In the future it's going to be pretty bad. Either the Kings get hit with a recapture penalty or they have Quick playing out the last few years of the contract at 6M. Remember when Brown's contract was a discount? Now, not so much?

Also from an expansion teams point of view, they may not want to spend $7M (21 totall) on a goalie for the first 3 years when they are sorting out their teams. They'll probably go with guys that don't cost as much, and will be with the team more then a handful of years before retiring. Quick will be getting up there in a couple of years. I don't see an expansion team taking him.

Edit: Then you have Sutter adjusting the Kings style. Is Sutter going to be successful at changing his game plan? How's the team going to adapt? Do they have the personnel? Why does any of this matter with regards to Quick? What's Quick save % going to look like with the team going through a transition and young guys getting lots of ice time? I'm expecting a dip in his goalie stats next year.

when in the hell was Brown's current contract a bargain? His last deal was but the moment he signed this one it was either going to be fair if the cap went up, or bad if his play diminished or the cap became stagnant. I do not remember anyone calling Brown's deal a discount. I remember most saying it was a bad deal as soon as it was signed..especially fans of other clubs.

Quick's deal will take him till he is 37, 2 years longer than I would have liked but if you deal Quick or try and get out of his contract (expansion) the Kings cup window is officially closed.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

The contract is great right now!!! In the future it's going to be pretty bad. Either the Kings get hit with a recapture penalty or they have Quick playing out the last few years of the contract at 6M. Remember when Brown's contract was a discount? Now, not so much?

Also from an expansion teams point of view, they may not want to spend $7M (21 totall) on a goalie for the first 3 years when they are sorting out their teams. They'll probably go with guys that don't cost as much, and will be with the team more then a handful of years before retiring. Quick will be getting up there in a couple of years. I don't see an expansion team taking him.

Edit: Then you have Sutter adjusting the Kings style. Is Sutter going to be successful at changing his game plan? How's the team going to adapt? Do they have the personnel? Why does any of this matter with regards to Quick? What's Quick save % going to look like with the team going through a transition and young guys getting lots of ice time? I'm expecting a dip in his goalie stats next year.

I like you guys who act as if you were the GM, you'd make so many smarter deals. This is the price you pay for an elite goaltender...the fact that the guy has already brought us two cups is worth it already.

 

[BigKing]

Vegas would take Quick for the star factor alone.

Got to get to the cap floor so they would definitely take the most exciting goalie in the league and his contract.

He'd be the face of that franchise.

 

[YP44]

Vegas would take Quick for the star factor alone.

Got to get to the cap floor so they would definitely take the most exciting goalie in the league and his contract.

He'd be the face of that franchise.

zero chance he would be made available. If LA lost Quick they would be looking for a $6M replacement. At minimum

 

[Kingsfan1]

Im one of those people that feel maybe we could have capitalized on an extremely high turnaround on Quick and kept Jones. Maybe we could have got a #2 defenseman + for Quick and rolled with Jones. Id bet our team would be better off.

 

[YP44]

Im one of those people that feel maybe we could have capitalized on an extremely high turnaround on Quick and kept Jones. Maybe we could have got a #2 defenseman + for Quick and rolled with Jones. Id bet our team would be better off.

hindsight is 20/20, I don't remember a lot of people suggesting this before Jones got dealt.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I have yet to see a game where Jones is the reason the Sharks won. Some of the things I read on here of late are stupefying.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

hindsight is 20/20, I don't remember a lot of people suggesting this before Jones got dealt.

Exactly, and I think people forget that we traded Jones for Lucic. Don't remember many people being disappointed with us landing one of the premier power forwards in the game.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I have yet to see a game where Jones is the reason the Sharks won. Some of the things I read on here of late are stupefying.

That was kind of my point but apparently it got glossed over, heh.

Despite playing behind a team that's protecting him like there's no tomorrow, he's putting up a save % that gets Quick absolutely eviscerated in the playoffs, and was arguably the reason the Sharks lost last night. He's given up his fair share of softies; he's just protected because he's a shiny new toy. He hasn't even come close to 'stealing' a game for the Sharks, although he hasn't really needed to, I suppose.

I like Jones, I just enjoy reading about all these former King goaltenders who we should have kept when they don't perform any better dollar-for-dollar. And I say that knowing full well Jones should have a good long career as an above-average #1.

Give me the guy who can steal games and series' anyday over the safe butterfly percentage guy.

 

[AlphaBravo]

Goalies (even stars) rarely bring in a great return. The only reason to have traded Quick and kept Jones would be to get out of the term on his contract. However, that would be one hard trade to justify, considering Jones had not yet even proven he can play a full season as a starter, let alone be cup contending goalie.

 

[deeshamrock]

Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger 6h6 hours ago

At least 5 NHL teams with interest in French defenceman Yohann Auvitu. No risk. Still has one year remaining on entry level.



http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2016/05/16/french-d-man-auvitu-reportedly-drawing-nhl-interest/

at 26 a late bloomer (a 'dwinger' who can also play wing) but eliteprospects noted his play has improved every year and last year:

Auvitu, 26, was the recipient of the 2015-16 Pekka Rautakallio Trophy for the best defenseman in the Liiga — an award that’s previously gone to the likes of Sami Vatanen and Brian Rafalski.

also good for Dave Tallon getting promoted to President of Hockey Ops. He can focus and spend time on what he does best, hunting up talent.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...resident-gm-tom-rowe-eric-joyce-steve-werier/

It’s a pretty nice deal,†Tallon told the Herald. “This just frees me up to do more of what I’m in tune with: scouting, mentoring and developing. I’m going to spend more time on that. I’ve been doing contracts and other day-to-day operations for a long time. It kind of wears you out.â€

It was that eye of his that helped build the Hawks into winners. He's already made a strong impact in Fla and less office time and more hunting trips will only benefit them.
Panthers continue to impress...

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Very interesting to hear about the French d-man, especially in that league. Love when the non-traditional hockey countries make strides...

Also agreed on the Panthers. Just keep making saavy on-ice and off-ice moves.

 

[Trolfoli]

when in the hell was Brown's current contract a bargain? His last deal was but the moment he signed this one it was either going to be fair if the cap went up, or bad if his play diminished or the cap became stagnant. I do not remember anyone calling Brown's deal a discount. I remember most saying it was a bad deal as soon as it was signed..especially fans of other clubs.

Quick's deal will take him till he is 37, 2 years longer than I would have liked but if you deal Quick or try and get out of his contract (expansion) the Kings cup window is officially closed.

Brown's contract is a deal right now!!! It's all about how you look at it. 5.875 AAV is way better then the 7.25M from the last two years or 7M salary from next year.

Cup window closed without Quick. Pens/Lightining/Blues/Sharks are all showing you can make a push with a back-up.

Sorry Jones, but you're a Shark now so you have to expect some shots.

I like you guys who act as if you were the GM, you'd make so many smarter deals. This is the price you pay for an elite goaltender...the fact that the guy has already brought us two cups is worth it already.

Yup that's the price. Lombardi got the price lower due to the term. Still a 10 year contract, under the old collective bargaining agreement that has a significant penalty associated with it is a bad contract. Contract does not have anything to do with Quick. Same with Brown. I like him and his game, when Sutter's not putting him in the top 6. His contract blows...

 

[theMajor]

when in the hell was Brown's current contract a bargain? His last deal was but the moment he signed this one it was either going to be fair if the cap went up, or bad if his play diminished or the cap became stagnant. I do not remember anyone calling Brown's deal a discount. I remember most saying it was a bad deal as soon as it was signed..especially fans of other clubs.

Quick's deal will take him till he is 37, 2 years longer than I would have liked but if you deal Quick or try and get out of his contract (expansion) the Kings cup window is officially closed.

it WAS a discount contract, he negotiated with Dean man to man after deciding not to go through his agent. hindsight is 20/20, yes, but Brown's deal at the time it was signed was at a 'discount' to the Kings org. it would be a fun exercise to revisit that thread because I dont remember many fans being unhappy with it like you are claiming here