Around the League 15-16 Part 3

[Herby]

Only take a 6'6 player if he can actually play.

That has been the Kings problem in the past, taking these physical specimens who can't really play the game.

Mathieu Biron, Dave Steckel, Brian Boyle, Matt Zultek, Colten Teubert, Jens Karlsson. Thank God the Rangers picked before us in 2003 or Jessiman would have been on this list too.

 

[Ron*]

Nucks are in third today. If the Kings were to lose the coin flip they would be in second
2 plays 3

Do you really think the Ducks ARE NOT going to supplant the Canucks in one of the top three spots in the Pacific?

Give me a break.

 

[kingsboy11]

Central Scouting Players to watch for 2016 draft

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=789295&navid=nhl:topheads

For anybody old enough to remember Keith TKACHUK, his son Matt is projected to be a first rounder (LW)

6'6 center Logan Brown (first rounder) would like nice in a Kings uniform.

Would love either of them in a Kings uniform especially Tkachuk, but I think both are slated to be top 10 picks. Brown may however be more likely to drop though.

 

[deeshamrock]

Would love either of them in a Kings uniform especially Tkachuk, but I think both are slated to be top 10 picks. Brown may however be more likely to drop though.

Is having a good year, 42 pts in 21 games for the knights. He's currently ranked 4th (projected draft) and could crack the top 3.

He'd look great in Orange and black, given the Flyers hovering around dismal, they should be picking in the top 5.

 

[YP44]

Only take a 6'6 player if he can actually play.

That has been the Kings problem in the past, taking these physical specimens who can't really play the game.

Mathieu Biron, Dave Steckel, Brian Boyle, Matt Zultek, Colten Teubert, Jens Karlsson. Thank God the Rangers picked before us in 2003 or Jessiman would have been on this list too.

Biron had his moments as a backup. Boyle is still a serviceable 3rd 4th line guy. Not saying those were the best uses of draft picks but they were not busts IMO.
I was onboard with the Teubert draft pick. I suck at life

 

[scryan]

Jesus is back in Anaheim!

 

[Herby]

Biron had his moments as a backup. Boyle is still a serviceable 3rd 4th line guy. Not saying those were the best uses of draft picks but they were not busts IMO.
I was onboard with the Teubert draft pick. I suck at life

The Kings took Mathiue Biron, who was the goalie Martin Biron's brother. He was a typical Taylor pick, meaning he was tall and not very good at hockey.

Teubert was still the most baffling and awful pick the Kings have made since I have been a fan of the team. Never understood taking guys in the 1st round who's upside is a third pairing d-man or bottom six forward.

 

[YP44]

The Kings took Mathiue Biron, who was the goalie Martin Biron's brother. He was a typical Taylor pick, meaning he was tall and not very good at hockey.

Teubert was still the most baffling and awful pick the Kings have made since I have been a fan of the team. Never understood taking guys in the 1st round who's upside is a third pairing d-man or bottom six forward.

Hickey over Alzner still gets my goat

 

[YP44]

Jesus is back in Anaheim!

is anderson injured or something?
I know he is not starting tonight. Is it an emergency recall as Anderson has the trots?

 

[KingsFan7824]

The Kings took Mathiue Biron, who was the goalie Martin Biron's brother. He was a typical Taylor pick, meaning he was tall and not very good at hockey.

Teubert was still the most baffling and awful pick the Kings have made since I have been a fan of the team. Never understood taking guys in the 1st round who's upside is a third pairing d-man or bottom six forward.

There's no way to know for sure who's upside is what. It's the draft, we know that. If that was possible, every draft would be perfect for every team.

One reason Lombardi traded Visnovsky when he did is because he knew he were getting Doughty, who was also an offensive defenseman. They get Greene in the deal, which gave the Kings a different variable on defense. Maybe he thought he's got Doughty, try for the next version of Greene. But then he drafted Voynov in the 2nd round. That's why the draft is the inexact science that it is.

You do what you do at the draft, and then move on. Eventually Teubert turned into Penner, who for the most part wasn't good, but he scored the series winner against the Coyotes. You never know how things are going to work out.

 

[Herby]

Hickey over Alzner still gets my goat

Doesn't really bother me, Hickey atleast had upside. I'd rather strike out swinging for the fences than strike out bunting like Teubert and Jens Karlsson

There's no way to know for sure who's upside is what. It's the draft, we know that. If that was possible, every draft would be perfect for every team.

One reason Lombardi traded Visnovsky when he did is because he knew he were getting Doughty, who was also an offensive defenseman. They get Greene in the deal, which gave the Kings a different variable on defense. Maybe he thought he's got Doughty, try for the next version of Greene. But then he drafted Voynov in the 2nd round. That's why the draft is the inexact science that it is.

You do what you do at the draft, and then move on. Eventually Teubert turned into Penner, who for the most part wasn't good, but he scored the series winner against the Coyotes. You never know how things are going to work out.

No one projected Teubert as anything more than a Matt Greene, my whole issue is drafting a guy who projects as a third pairing defenseman with a pick that high. Same thing the Rangers did with McIlrath.

Obviously the draft is an inexact science, but I think with top 15 picks you have to go for higher upside guys because even the low upside guys like Teubert, Karlsson and McIlrath can flop. Like I mentioned in the reply above this, never been critical of Hickey pick, they took a shot on a high upside guy and it didn't work out, atleast they went down swinging.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Doesn't really bother me, Hickey atleast had upside. I'd rather strike out swinging for the fences than strike out bunting like Teubert and Jens Karlsson



No one projected Teubert as anything more than a Matt Greene, my whole issue is drafting a guy who projects as a third pairing defenseman with a pick that high. Same thing the Rangers did with McIlrath.

Obviously the draft is an inexact science, but I think with top 15 picks you have to go for higher upside guys because even the low upside guys like Teubert, Karlsson and McIlrath can flop. Like I mentioned in the reply above this, never been critical of Hickey pick, they took a shot on a high upside guy and it didn't work out, atleast they went down swinging.

I think teams are moving away from this. At least, I hope WE are, hope others don't

I know Holden feels pretty strongly about this as well, and the Teubert pick solidified it for me...but as the league is changing, I doubt we'll see much more of it anyway, but as Stay at home shutdown D-men are/were rare, everyone was looking for the next big, mean Mitchell type to pair with their offensive defensemen, which were plentiful. Problem is most of those guys who are shutdown players in junior don't have the offensive ability (which translates to some degree to hockey IQ if you have the physical tools but no production) to read better, bigger pros...which is why often the guys who are offensive/2-way guys in junior become the better all-around defensemen in the pros, guys who have the intellegence AND abilities to round their games out (i.e. Doughty).

 

[kingsfan28]

Only take a 6'6 player if he can actually play.

That has been the Kings problem in the past, taking these physical specimens who can't really play the game.

Mathieu Biron, Dave Steckel, Brian Boyle, Matt Zultek, Colten Teubert, Jens Karlsson. Thank God the Rangers picked before us in 2003 or Jessiman would have been on this list too.

Taylor/Murray duo just couldn't pass them up. Zach Parise was too small, now Brain Boyle...now he could be next Lindros.
Ken Holland said it best,"you never take a project in the first round"

I understand why they went after Colten Teubert, the system really didn't have that type of player. Unfortunately it didn't work out.
As pointed out, the league has transitioned from the mean dman to the skilled puck moving guys, and it started probably with that draft. Hell, if Karlsson was drafted by the Kings, in our system, would he have been as successful as he is today with all his defensive limitations? Crawford would've been all over him worse than Jack Johnson.

 

[Reaper45]

Teubert was supposed to be the next Bryan Marchment.

 

[SFKingshomer]

Teubert was projected as a top 4 and went right where most mock drafts had him.

 

[ru4reals]

Ottawa Stars game is fun talk about no defense and all run and gun.

 

[Drumstick Handler]

Nick Nickson said that if it were the end of the season and we were going down to tie breakers to get in, it would come down to a coin flip. Would suck to be on the losing end of a coin flip to end the season. Luckily we're sitting 1st and 2nd, and not 8th and 9th.

Although it is extremely unlikely to be tied in every possible stat that acts as a tiebreaker after the regular season, I find it disturbing that tossing a coin would determine a playoff spot in any professional league. Would they really not check, for example, their goal differentials in the games that between those teams are already taken into account?

 

[Ron*]

Ottawa Stars game is fun talk about no defense and all run and gun.

That's why most people expect Dallas to come thudding back to Earth. The Niemi/Lehtonen goaltending tandem doesn't inspire a whole lotta confidence going forward.

 

[Drumstick Handler]

Jesus is back in Anaheim!

And back between the pipes as well! Khudobin pulled after two basically similar far pad rebound goals.

 

[ru4reals]

That's why most people expect Dallas to come thudding back to Earth. The Niemi/Lehtonen goaltending tandem doesn't inspire a whole lotta confidence going forward.

They have a great line but playoffs are a whole new animal and don't feel this team has the D to go anywhere.

 

[Ron*]

And back between the pipes as well! Khudobin pulled after two basically similar far pad rebound goals.

Ducks clearly have goaltending issues. Andersen has been great in some games and pretty bad in others. Really inconsistent. Khudobin looked like the answer for about 2½ games and then *implosion*.

Can Jesus save the Ducks from themselves?

 

[ru4reals]

And another one! Shortie!

 

[Ron*]

They have a great line but playoffs are a whole new animal and don't feel this team has the D to go anywhere.

Niemi gets pulled, Lehtonen gets injured, and Niemi comes in relief and promptly gives up a shorty.

As I was saying...

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Never mind the defense of both teams, who are led by guys who are let's say 'questionable' on the defensive side of the puck...I'm more baffled by Ottawa's ability to find guys who can put up .950+ save percentages for 40 games a season. Anderson, Lehner, Hammond, Anderson again...

I love Karlsson and Klingberg is looking like him very quickly, but I'm getting sick of the general consensus being it's okay to be good on offense if you're mediocre on defense...I mean, it's important to be able to outscore your problems when they occur, but if a guy is constantly giving up goals/pressure only to get it back...I mean, does anyone remember how much **** Doughty got during the finals for turning the puck over to Pouliot and getting scored on before he went through the legs and scoring on Lundqvist? It wasn't even bad defense, it was a bad turnover, but for the rest of the series, that's all we heard about...add bad pinches and iffy defense to that and you have Karlsson nearly every other game. It's unbelievable how much people pump his tires...but I guess it's because he's sexy offensively, of that there is no denying, but give Doughty a system where he has full-go green light all the time and no PK time...just argh. So frustrating that PWHA writers have a hard time evaluating defensemen outside of straight points.

Edit: This is fun to watch though, straight 80s hockey but with today's full-team talent.

 

[kingsfan28]

That was a serious touchdown pass from Benn to Benn for the goal. Its still 5-2 Sens.