Around the League '15-'16: New Years Edition

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I'm not as worried about the Ducks. Their goal differential is awful and their spot in their division currently is appropriate. San Jose should wind up at #2 in the division, followed by whichever of Phoenix, Vancouver or Anaheim sucks least.
 
I'm not as worried about the Ducks. Their goal differential is awful and their spot in their division currently is appropriate. San Jose should wind up at #2 in the division, followed by whichever of Phoenix, Vancouver or Anaheim sucks least.

I think the Ducks are gonna get a bum rap all year because of their stats thru 40 games like the Kings in 2012. They've figured it out lately and they're bucking their trends already. They're currently where they 'should' be but there are more signs of life for sure.

Still thinking it'll be all California but Calgary s gonna be a pain in the rear and Edmonton will put on a late push with McDavid and Draisaitl down the middle with Nurse picking it up.

Van needs to do what's best for themselves and sell the Sedins and tank harrrrrrd.
 
I think the Ducks are gonna get a bum rap all year because of their stats thru 40 games like the Kings in 2012. They've figured it out lately and they're bucking their trends already. They're currently where they 'should' be but there are more signs of life for sure.

Still thinking it'll be all California but Calgary s gonna be a pain in the rear and Edmonton will put on a late push with McDavid and Draisaitl down the middle with Nurse picking it up.

Van needs to do what's best for themselves and sell the Sedins and tank harrrrrrd.

Yeah... it's boring but it's consistent. Where teams are at the all-star break is generally where they wind up (meaning in or out of the playoffs). So few teams swap places because down the stretch everyone is playing each other as it is.

And I miss Brad Doty. Raccoon Jesus is ok, but it's no Brad Doty. Was Anze Kopidor taken?
 
Not going to happen Ron, Kings will get there but no way Chicago does.

It's not possible for a team that has played 65 playoff games over the past three years to contend. In fact, based on what I heard earlier in this thread, they will be lucky to make the playoffs.

Was just going to post about all the excuses for the Kings missing the playoffs last season...where Chicago was going to feel the brunt of it this season. Well, we see that's pretty much a farce.

There is one other point that can be made about the apparent difference: the Kings are a big team and hitting is a big part of their success. So much so that all that hitting wore them out in season 4 of the dynasty. The Blackhawks are more of an offensive juggernaut where hitting is not a large part of their game; therefore, they are not feeling the effects of long seasons as much as the Kings would.

Anyway, I remember that take from earlier this season by someone (don't recall who). Maybe it has some merit, I don't know.

I also remember all the handwringing just a month or so ago about how we should tank to spot no. 2 in the division so we can avoid Chicago, who was clearly headed to a wild card spot. So ridiculous. I made it a point that no way Chicago misses one of the top 3 spots, but I didn't expect them to surge to no. 2 in the league so fast. They are scary good.
 
Yeah... it's boring but it's consistent. Where teams are at the all-star break is generally where they wind up (meaning in or out of the playoffs). So few teams swap places because down the stretch everyone is playing each other as it is.

And I miss Brad Doty. Raccoon Jesus is ok, but it's no Brad Doty. Was Anze Kopidor taken?

:D

Kopidor WAS taken at the Brad Doty birth actually, no clue what happened then. Maybe I'll re-brand when everyone figures out who I am and starts hating me again!

Was just going to post about all the excuses for the Kings missing the playoffs last season...where Chicago was going to feel the brunt of it this season. Well, we see that's pretty much a farce.

Anyway, I remember that take from earlier this season by someone (don't recall who). Maybe it has some merit, I don't know.

I also remember all the handwringing just a month or so ago about how we should tank to spot no. 2 in the division so we can avoid Chicago, who was clearly headed to a wild card spot. So ridiculous. I made it a point that no way Chicago misses one of the top 3 spots, but I didn't expect them to surge to no. 2 in the league so fast. They are scary good.

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I'd also add that Chicago is running on Kane--who missed much of last season if you recall--and Panarin, new to the NHL and not a deep playoff run. Supplemented by a bunch of new faces, and top-notch goaltending from Crawford. All their top horses are having off years and injuries, like Toews and Keith. I don't think it's a total coincidence. Remember zombie mode Kopitar last year? Not going to go into the Kings stuff, and honestly it's such a subjective claim in any case that I'm not even going to bother trying to change anyone's mind, but I think that Chicago's early struggles along with TB, the Rangers, and the Ducks all crashing this year provide some merit to the idea that deep playoff runs leave bruises.
 
Chicago really struggled when Keith went down with his knee injury, and like clockwork turned it up when he was back in the lineup. really makes you realize how a single dman can impact a team. not saying him being out was the only factor for the team faltering, but it was definitely the biggest one
 
I'd also add that Chicago is running on Kane--who missed much of last season if you recall--and Panarin, new to the NHL and not a deep playoff run. Supplemented by a bunch of new faces, and top-notch goaltending from Crawford. All their top horses are having off years and injuries, like Toews and Keith. I don't think it's a total coincidence. Remember zombie mode Kopitar last year? Not going to go into the Kings stuff, and honestly it's such a subjective claim in any case that I'm not even going to bother trying to change anyone's mind, but I think that Chicago's early struggles along with TB, the Rangers, and the Ducks all crashing this year provide some merit to the idea that deep playoff runs leave bruises.

And deep is a misnomer. It was epic. Down 3-0 in a series to win 4-3. 3 game 7's on the road (no Cup champ had ever won TWO, much less three), 27 games total, one short of the max... the team was spent. They're not robots, and anyone who objectively watched the Kings last year would tell you they looked a step slow all season.

It's great that the Hawks have been able to rebound. Frankly, they're a (slightly) better team than the Kings, and probably should have won that WCF vs. the Kings in '14 (but they didn't! tee-hee!)
 
Why is Chiago surprising though?

They have a legit #1 goalie.
They have a Norris winner in Keith.
They have Toews and Kane.
Hossa and Seabrook.

They haven't lost a lot and they have some young prospects making a name for themselves.

They have a core just like we do.
 
:D

Kopidor WAS taken at the Brad Doty birth actually, no clue what happened then. Maybe I'll re-brand when everyone figures out who I am and starts hating me again!



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I'd also add that Chicago is running on Kane--who missed much of last season if you recall--and Panarin, new to the NHL and not a deep playoff run. Supplemented by a bunch of new faces, and top-notch goaltending from Crawford. All their top horses are having off years and injuries, like Toews and Keith. I don't think it's a total coincidence. Remember zombie mode Kopitar last year? Not going to go into the Kings stuff, and honestly it's such a subjective claim in any case that I'm not even going to bother trying to change anyone's mind, but I think that Chicago's early struggles along with TB, the Rangers, and the Ducks all crashing this year provide some merit to the idea that deep playoff runs leave bruises.

The Kings were still feeling those bruises from the 2013 playoffs in the 2014 cup run. :nod:
 
To be honest Chicago doesn't rely on a heavy game so fatigue isn't going to hit them as hard as it did the kings. I remember reading lots of kings had to lay down during flights with ice packs and such. Not saying its an excuse for last year but I think it has some merit.
 
The Kings had their SC run in 2012 and then a brutal stretch of physical games in 2013 and still returned to win in 2014, winning three game 7's along the way.

Everything factors into why a team is bad, and while that certainly may have been a very small factor, a bigger factor was Slava Voynov beating up his wife and the Kings employing Jarret Stoll and Mike Richards and essentially running with two wasted lines the entire season. Center play is huge to the Kings success and last year the Kings had two of the worst centers in the league and a rookie who was probably not ready but was forced into action because of how awful the other two were. That is a bigger reason than fatigue from years ago.
 
Ristolainen is awesome, the growth from year one to year two has been amazing.

He got under the skin of at least three Coyotes in those last two minutes. That pretty much ensured there was going to be a melee at after the horn sounded.
 
The Kings had their SC run in 2012 and then a brutal stretch of physical games in 2013 and still returned to win in 2014, winning three game 7's along the way.

Everything factors into why a team is bad, and while that certainly may have been a very small factor, a bigger factor was Slava Voynov beating up his wife and the Kings employing Jarret Stoll and Mike Richards and essentially running with two wasted lines the entire season. Center play is huge to the Kings success and last year the Kings had two of the worst centers in the league and a rookie who was probably not ready but was forced into action because of how awful the other two were. That is a bigger reason than fatigue from years ago.

Right. I don't think it was the sole reason, but hard to write it off as a contributing factor with so much evidence and the eyetest. I mean, we still finished with the same points as in 2012, and I doubt this year's 'burnout' teams are going to just fall off either, but there's certainly a palpable drop in performance, and judging by plenty of medical evidence, it can be deep fatigue/physical in combination with emotional letdowns (achievement in 2014) and mental fatigue/motivational issues.

Long-term burnout is a thing and it isn't just physical.
 
The one time I root for you Sens! Nice! Karlsson thanks for beastin on us but being a turd for the Sharks. -3
 
The one time I root for you Sens! Nice! Karlsson thanks for beastin on us but being a turd for the Sharks. -3


And he's now a minus on the season. His sink continues. I know +/- isn't the be-all-end-all, but if he's like a -7 or something on the season and wins the Norris, that just doesn't sit well. He's not expending energy killing penalties and he's supposed be considered an "above average" defender at minimum. At least stay the **** in the positive on even strength play.
 
The Pacific is starting to turn it on, glad we've got a pretty good lead.

Some perspective. The Ducks have been playing much better obviously, 6-3-1 in their last 10. Over that span they've:

lost 2 points on the Kings
stayed even with the Sharks
gained 1 point on the Coyotes
stayed even with the Canucks
gained 2 points on the Flames
gained 3 points on Edmonton.

They've gained 2 points on the Avalanche and 5 points on slumping Nashville, which is helpful because even if they continue at a .650 point percentage they'll likely end up 4th in the division. It's taking a lot to make up ground lately.

I thought it was going to be an easy 5 teams from the Central, but now I'm not so sure.

Minnesota I could see slumping a bit, but I'm perplexed by Nashville. They have some great parts there. They added a really good player and already had a formidable back end and great goalie. Can't figure out why the wheels have fallen off, their style and roster is built for stability.
 
And he's now a minus on the season. His sink continues. I know +/- isn't the be-all-end-all, but if he's like a -7 or something on the season and wins the Norris, that just doesn't sit well. He's not expending energy killing penalties and he's supposed be considered an "above average" defender at minimum. At least stay the **** in the positive on even strength play.

Yeah +/- is just meh to me doesn't say much about a player. But I was actually hoping he'd beast on the sharks tonight like he does us all the time. But he just had one of those games. Eventually Sens did win in a shootout but was hoping for a win in regulation.
 
Winnipeg is at 45 points; Calgary and Edmonton are at 43. Winnipeg is that close to being at the bottom of the conference.

Anaheim has 45 points, but that's a red herring. I don't see Vancouver nor Colorado holding them off for the last wild card spot; so therefore, we will definitely have 4 teams from each division in the playoffs (if Arizona doesn't falter, that is).
 
How funny, or pathetic, would it be if the Pacific sent at least 4 teams to the playoffs? It's certainly a closer possibility than it was in, say, November. Like, would that even be allowed? Or would the league trade a Pacific team to the Central because of the optics of it?
 
How funny, or pathetic, would it be if the Pacific sent at least 4 teams to the playoffs? It's certainly a closer possibility than it was in, say, November. Like, would that even be allowed? Or would the league trade a Pacific team to the Central because of the optics of it?

Look at the standings closely. The Pacific isn't that far off from the Central at all, especially in the middle of the pack. And the Kings already have a large number of games in hand on all those teams (2 on Dallas, 4 on Chicago, and 5 on St. Louis).
 
Yeah +/- is just meh to me doesn't say much about a player. But I was actually hoping he'd beast on the sharks tonight like he does us all the time. But he just had one of those games. Eventually Sens did win in a shootout but was hoping for a win in regulation.

It says a decent amount in context, especially in relationship to your team and teammates.

What it tells me is exactly what I see every time I see them play--he's an elite offensive defenseman that has defensive lapses aplenty.

Ottawa as a team is -12, so you wouldn't expect many of their players to be good there. However, Karlsson's usual partner is Methot, who is +6. His newest on and off partner is Claesson, so that hurts--and he's a -8. They're on a suck streak in that regard, so his is obviously dinged, but if you're going to call a guy the best all around d-man in the game, he can't be -1 when he has teammates (including d-men) that are +6, 5, 8, and 14 on the same team. And that's with his extremely offensive deployment (not tired from the PK--getting steadily fed 5v5 time and all the PP a guy can handle) so he's getting to pad his stats while getting the "boo hoo he's tired he can't be expected to carry his team defensively too" treatment from all the apologists.

To be fair I didn't see tonight's game so for all I know it's -3 the same way Doughty was vs. the first Ottawa game where McNabb ****ing fell down and a slowass changeup went thru Quick so who knows. All I know is that if you put up 47 points but you're still a 5v5 minus it's hard to argue you're having a statistically large positive impact on your team's chances to win despite being a high-CF% player. He still only has a 50% GF%, 8th on the Sens.

The thing is, those stats defy the eye test to a small degree, because I think he has a greater offensive impact than the points actually show--not in the sense that he should have more points, but that he's doing more throughout the game to generate offense (hence the high CF%). And he's usually decent defensively but he his breakdowns are so, so visible because they're judgment lapses and soft play in front of his own net, so honestly, he's like a microcosm of last year's Kings--drive play lots, but if you give up a chance, give up a gnarly one.

Not even going to dive deep into his GA and GA/60 again but he's still given up the most 5v5 goals in the league and his GA/60 is 167th out of 187 d-men who have played 300 or more minutes this year.
 
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