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Personally, I think a lot of the "Subban has an attitude problem" is a subtle racial dig.

It's funny, I never once thought race during any part of this. Most of the time I don't even notice race anymore. There are so many average white guys that are considered cancers with attitude problems, I never considered their to be a problem wide spread enough to think that Subban was treated differently based on race. Frankly, I still don't.

Sure we have the occasional problems with fans, I think Subban has been singled out a couple of times. But that is different than forming a consensus, either conscious or subconscious, on reputation.
 

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Personally, I think a lot of the "Subban has an attitude problem" is a subtle racial dig. We've heard the lamenting for a long time over the fact that too many pro players act like robots, then when someone comes along that challenges that at all, he's cut down pretty quickly.

The common theme among the ones with "an attitude problem" I can think of is that they're not English-Canadian. Mario Lemieux was French-Canadian. Brett Hull had dual citizenship and represented the USA internationally, and both he and Lemieux took a lot of crap for being perceived as "whiners" (a label never assigned to Steve Yzerman, who plenty of actual officials said was the biggest whiner in the game). Alexander Ovechkin is Russian. PK Subban is black. Basically, if you're a white Canadian who played in the WHL or the OHL, you're fine...anyone else may be tagged as "head case" or "attitude problem" or "locker room cancer".

The bolded aside, he does play with swagger that's for sure... His numbers the last two seasons are darn good... +21 in 123 games with almost a point per game this season.... awesome performance.

Speaking of Montreal.... big game for them tonight, if they go down two at home it could be curtains.. I'm assuming Price starts, if so he needs to play like an all-star..
 
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I have no idea why the Habs would want to trade a Norris Trophy candidate who is only in his early 20s ... unless there is a HUGE return coming the other way.
 

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It's funny, I never once thought race during any part of this. Most of the time I don't even notice race anymore. There are so many average white guys that are considered cancers with attitude problems, I never considered their to be a problem wide spread enough to think that Subban was treated differently based on race. Frankly, I still don't.

From my own observation, a lot of the average white guys that are considered cancers have names that end in -ov or -ev. Hell, the biggest issue/non-issue this year was how an 18-year-old Nail Yakupov celebrates scoring a goal. There are nonstop questions over seemingly everything about Alexander Semin. No, it's not a strictly racial thing, it's a "different" thing led by the hockey media. It's the difference between "eccentric" and "flaky", between "inconsistent" and "enigmatic", between "quiet" and "unemotional".

I'm simply saying that over the years, I've noticed that there's a clustering of the more negative toward players who don't fit a particular profile. I've noticed it in researching both baseball history and hockey history.
 

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From my own observation, a lot of the average white guys that are considered cancers have names that end in -ov or -ev. Hell, the biggest issue/non-issue this year was how an 18-year-old Nail Yakupov celebrates scoring a goal. There are nonstop questions over seemingly everything about Alexander Semin. No, it's not a strictly racial thing, it's a "different" thing led by the hockey media. It's the difference between "eccentric" and "flaky", between "inconsistent" and "enigmatic", between "quiet" and "unemotional".

I'm simply saying that over the years, I've noticed that there's a clustering of the more negative toward players who don't fit a particular profile. I've noticed it in researching both baseball history and hockey history.

Olli Jokinen??? Steve Ott??? Not sure Ott counts but he is from PE which is only a tiny part of Canada..
 

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I didn't realize Methot had the GWG last night for Ottowa. I have to say, I'm very happy for him doing so well these days.
 

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Isles with a great effort tonight. down 3-1 8 minutes into the game, they come back to win (and control play in the 3rd) 4-3. They had every reason to fold and just kept at it...reminds me of something...
 

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Isles with a great effort tonight. down 3-1 8 minutes into the game, they come back to win (and control play in the 3rd) 4-3. They had every reason to fold and just kept at it...reminds me of something...

Go Go Basement Brothers!!
 

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Isles with a great effort tonight. down 3-1 8 minutes into the game, they come back to win (and control play in the 3rd) 4-3. They had every reason to fold and just kept at it...reminds me of something...

Me too.... as in the Blue Jackets!! :laugh:

Kidding aside, great win for the Brooklyn Islanders, I hope they do it twice on the Island as well.. Montreal won too, is all I need now for my Kentucky Derby eve celebration is to see the Wild destroyed going down 2-0 to the Hawks... it would be a trifecta hockey night ;)
 

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Personally, I think a lot of the "Subban has an attitude problem" is a subtle racial dig. We've heard the lamenting for a long time over the fact that too many pro players act like robots, then when someone comes along that challenges that at all, he's cut down pretty quickly.

The common theme among the ones with "an attitude problem" I can think of is that they're not English-Canadian. Mario Lemieux was French-Canadian. Brett Hull had dual citizenship and represented the USA internationally, and both he and Lemieux took a lot of crap for being perceived as "whiners" (a label never assigned to Steve Yzerman, who plenty of actual officials said was the biggest whiner in the game). Alexander Ovechkin is Russian. PK Subban is black. Basically, if you're a white Canadian who played in the WHL or the OHL, you're fine...anyone else may be tagged as "head case" or "attitude problem" or "locker room cancer".

From my own observation, a lot of the average white guys that are considered cancers have names that end in -ov or -ev. Hell, the biggest issue/non-issue this year was how an 18-year-old Nail Yakupov celebrates scoring a goal. There are nonstop questions over seemingly everything about Alexander Semin. No, it's not a strictly racial thing, it's a "different" thing led by the hockey media. It's the difference between "eccentric" and "flaky", between "inconsistent" and "enigmatic", between "quiet" and "unemotional".

I'm simply saying that over the years, I've noticed that there's a clustering of the more negative toward players who don't fit a particular profile. I've noticed it in researching both baseball history and hockey history.

I find your rationale pretty weak. Yzerman never took the flak Lemieux and Ovechkin have, so there must be an English-Canadian bias in the media? Give me a break.

That must be why the media is so hard on Datsyuk and Malkin but take it so easy on those good English Canadian boys Sean Avery, Matt Cooke and Dany Heatley (yes I know Heatley was technically born in Germany but he was raised an Albertan), among many many others.

Hockey players have a tradition of being less flamboyant than many other professional team athletes. Part of it probably comes with being in a sport where there is a long history of players policing themselves - do something that embarrasses the other team and your apt to get a fist in the mouth or a stick across the back of the legs.

Players that have flashier personalities are going rub some of the more traditionalists (players, fans and media) the wrong way. Some players are just awkward in their social interactions, and so they get mis-interpreted as being aloof a**holes. Finally, some players actually are a**holes (I'd like to think English Canadian Jeff Carter fits here).

Don Cherry aside, I don't see a racial or nationalistic bias by the media being a prevalent issue.

As for Subban, I have no idea what he is like off the ice. But I'd love to have his skills on my team and I don't see why Montreal would trade him right now.
 

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Anyone else finding this year's playoffs to be a bit less exciting than last year's first round? Is it because we're just coming off the excitement of the Jackets run to the playoffs?
 

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Anyone else finding this year's playoffs to be a bit less exciting than last year's first round? Is it because we're just coming off the excitement of the Jackets run to the playoffs?

Maybe it's because one of the better teams is on the outside looking in and this is the first year we have directly experienced this?
 

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Maybe it's because one of the better teams is on the outside looking in and this is the first year we have directly experienced this?

Been thinking this myself. Usually when I watch the playoffs I'm thinking "wow these teams are on another level" but this year I'm thinking "Jackets could handle these guys".

To major major's point, I think the answer is yes, but it also manifests itself in what Fan posted.
 

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Been thinking this myself. Usually when I watch the playoffs I'm thinking "wow these teams are on another level" but this year I'm thinking "Jackets could handle these guys".

To major major's point, I think the answer is yes, but it also manifests itself in what Fan posted.

It's possible that the Wild may get swept or only win one game.... I sure would have loved to get a crack playing the Hawks with a Bobrovsky playing at a .950 SV% and 1.8 GAA clip... I'm not saying we'd be doing much better but one only knows for sure if the games could have been played... I'm still ticked we came so close yet missed the playoffs..
 

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And mad props to everybody involved in that Join the Battle commercial they just showed on NBCSN.

Huge step up from those County-fair esque ads that ended with Rimer yelling at the end of them.

 
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Robert

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Milbury channeling his inner tr00 fan with that Nash criticism.

You beat me to it.... I have no luv for Milbury but it was short of funny listening to his admonishment on national TV.... Can't say I'm surprised though, it's not exactly a rare thing for Nash to float around at the worst possible time..
 

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I'm watching the Rangers game. Dorsett's taking dumb penalties, Brass looks good, and Moore looks like a lost child.

Nash has had guys draped on him all game, but looks like he's about to bust through into beast mode.
 

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I'm watching the Rangers game. Dorsett's taking dumb penalties, Brass looks good, and Moore looks like a lost child.

Nash has had guys draped on him all game, but looks like he's about to bust through into beast mode.

JohnnyMoore looked good in game 1. Came thisclose to potting one.
 
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