Speculation: Armchair GM Thread: I can't believe it's not butter, I can't believe we didn't get Ryan Hartman.

[Skobel24]

Would anyone here do Stone for Gagner? I think Gagner would fit well, and could slot in the 3C role, or middle 6 RW.

 

[duffy9748]

To Philadelphia
Johnny Gaudreau
T.J. Brodie

To Calgary
Travis Konecny
Ivan Provorov
Philadelphia's 2018 1st

Tkachuk - Monahan - Konecny
Bennett - Backlund - Frolik
Ferland - Jankowski - Dube
Hathaway - Stajan - Lazar

Hamilton - Giordano
Provorov - Hamonic
Stone - Kulak

Flyers fan here who thinks a deal is there to be made this summer. It would never involve Provorov or Konecny though. Many will jump to Gaudreau because of his ties to South Jersey, but that’s not a trade Hextall would make right now.

 

[Kahvi]

Flyers fan here who thinks a deal is there to be made this summer. It would never involve Provorov or Konecny though. Many will jump to Gaudreau because of his ties to South Jersey, but that’s not a trade Hextall would make right now.

Really curious to know what you would offer for Gaudreau then. Better be quality and not quantity.

 

[viper0220]

Why are we trading Johnny? That is not a smart thing, take a look at history, it rarely work out for the team that has traded the best player.

 

[viper0220]

Flyers fan here who thinks a deal is there to be made this summer. It would never involve Provorov or Konecny though. Many will jump to Gaudreau because of his ties to South Jersey, but that’s not a trade Hextall would make right now.

If that is the case, in the nicest way you can *beep* off. There is no way we trade Johnny for a bag of poop.

 

[Baxterman]

Flyers fan here who thinks a deal is there to be made this summer. It would never involve Provorov or Konecny though. Many will jump to Gaudreau because of his ties to South Jersey, but that’s not a trade Hextall would make right now.

If both guys are off the table then I doubt there is a deal to be made.

 

[Baxterman]

Why are we trading Johnny? That is not a smart thing, take a look at history, it rarely work out for the team that has traded the best player.

Because the season is over and fans are just spit balling ideas for fun.

But the rationale that I could (very tiny chance) see a Gaudreau deal is:

1. He lets you know he wants to head back East either now or as a FA
2. The team doesn't see a path to winning with the current core and Gaudreau gets you a big package
3. A team in the US (likely NJ/Philly) overpays to get the hometown, marketable kid on their team.

I think 1 and 3 are key which is why if what the Philly fan says above (which is understandable) that the key guys from Philly aren't included then there is no deal. No trading him for picks and prospects the trade would be made with a very big "star" tax on it.

 

[Dack]

I thought he was saying the trade wouldn't be for Gaudreau.

 

[The Gnome]

Would love to somehow get Boone Jenner.

Same, I'd be trying to bring in someone like him for sure for the bottom six. Go grab Charlie Coyle if we can for a defensive prospect and Frolik maybe? Larger physical players to compliment the talent we already have, hopefully at minimal cost. I'm still a fan of trying to grab Rousell as an extra or 4th line guy, great pest and work ethic.

The way this season has ended is super deflating, but I'm still someone who wants to be patient with the core roster for the most part and add, not subtract. I think a new coach would give a massive boost to this club. Move Stone for a mid pick and maybe flip it to Carolina for Williams. He's a prime candidate to get moved for futures. Buyout Brouwer, and say farewell to Stajan. Then try to land one top 6 sniper via FA like Kane or Neal. I'm not gonna speculate and try and armchair GM these trades, just saying how I'd approach it. Keep the core, and find a way to add to our group.

Tkachuk-Monahan-Gaudreau
Neal/Kane-Backlund-Williams
Bennett-Janko-Coyle
Jenner-Shore-Ferland

Extras: Rousell, Mangiapane

Gio-Hamilton
Brodie-Hamonic
Kulak-Andersson

That is a solid forward lineup with serious depth...just spit balling as we are clearly headed to an early off season with no draft picks to look forward too. Just gross, time to get out the Jays gear and forget about hockey. All we can do now is pray to the hockey gods when the lottery happens.

EDIT: still not sure about Shore, we may need to find a better 4th line C

 

[The General]

Flyers fan here who thinks a deal is there to be made this summer. It would never involve Provorov or Konecny though. Many will jump to Gaudreau because of his ties to South Jersey, but that’s not a trade Hextall would make right now.

The thing is, if you are going to justify moving someone as talented as Gaudreau, the price is going to be high. He's a proven scorer, and given the offensive talent the Flyers possess, I think Johnny would be a good fit in Philadelphia silks. Gaudreau is still relatively young, and would be an upgrade to Konecny. Plus, adding someone with that level of offensive dynamic to a roster that includes Voracek and Giroux would elevate their game, and as experienced players give them more space in which to create offense. T.J. Brodie, on the other hand, fits the bill of the kind of defender the Flyers have always seemed to covet - good offensive instincts and playoff experience. If Konecny and Provorov are both off the table, I don't think a deal is plausible. The Flames need to get fair value for a player with the level of skill Gaudreau brings to the table.

 

[MDCSL]

Tkachuk-Monahan-Gaudreau
Neal/Kane-Backlund-Williams
Bennett-Janko-Coyle
Jenner-Shore-Ferland

Extras: Rousell, Mangiapane

Gio-Hamilton
Brodie-Hamonic
Kulak-Andersson

This is actually a serious line up improvement and probably cheap to do assuming Minnesota is willing to give up coyle without getting a roster player back, which I’m not sure would happen. The only weak point might be janks if he can’t be a 40 point c next year, the third line will still struggle.

 

[Flameshomer]

A forward upgrade is definitely necessary, but I think that a solid centre upgrade (2nd or 1st line quality) would be more beneficial. This is my preference of attempts to fix the roster:

Scenario 1:
- Offer Tavares an enormous contract. We can stomach it.
Scenario 2:
- If that doesn't work, try to trade for Ryan O'Reilly. (Jankowski+Brodie as the main chips)
-Not offering Tavares money also gives us room to make a pitch for Antti Raanta. .926 save percentage on the Coyotes is just... beautiful work. Great numbers with the Rangers too. Goaltending is our number 1 hole longterm.
-If we can't acquire a centre in a trade that makes sense, instead sign Kane or Neal (under or at 6 Mil a season). This might still be possible if we acquire ROR, but won't be if we acquire Tavares.

 

[Flameshomer]

Tkachuk-Tavares-Neal
Gaudreau-Monahan-Ferland
Jankowski-Backlund-Frolik
Bennett-Shore-Lazar
Stewart, Stajan

Gio-Andersson
Kulak-Doug
Brodie-Hamonic
Not Bartkowski

Do it Brad

Lol if we sign Tavares we definitely can't afford Neal, but nice try!

Also it's way better for us if we can wait one more year to buy out troy (doable because Tkachuk and Bennett don't need extensions until next year).

I really feel like no one read the math I did up there

 

[ThatHighGuy]

I’d offer JVR a contract. We have holes in the top 6 and he’s always been a good goal scorer around the net.

 

[The Gnome]

This is actually a serious line up improvement and probably cheap to do assuming Minnesota is willing to give up coyle without getting a roster player back, which I’m not sure would happen. The only weak point might be janks if he can’t be a 40 point c next year, the third line will still struggle.

Which is why I said Frolik and a defensive prospect, like Kylington maybe? They would need a forward coming back, and it looks like they could use a future dman in their pipeline. Again, I'm not going to work armchair trades hard as I'm not to sure about other team needs. My half assed proposals were more aimed at the concept of adding to the core without subtracting much from the current roster. But hey, I'm bored at work these days so here is a weakish attempt:

MIN: Frolik+Kylington
CGY: Coyle

CLB: ????
CGY: rights to Jenner

(trading for Jenner would be tough they definitely don't need defense and need help upfront, so no idea how we'd do that. Let's just axe that idea for a moment and plug in Rousell/Mangiapane).

OTT: Stone
CGY: 2019 Pens 3rd round pick

CAR: 2019 Pens 3rd round pick+ (a small plus)
CGY: Williams

Sign one of : Neal/Perron/Kane
Sign: Rousell

Tkachuk-Monahan-Gaudreau
Neal/Perron/Kane-Backlund-Williams
Bennett-Janko-Coyle
Rousell/Mangiapane-Shore-Ferland

The only two question marks are Janko and Shore. But I have a feeling Janko will fill into his current role going into next season. With Shore, I really have no idea. I mean if we could land Tavares, great, but I really do not see that happening. Why would he want to come here after the season we just had?

 

[duffy9748]

If both guys are off the table then I doubt there is a deal to be made.

That’s what I was getting to.

 

[duffy9748]

The thing is, if you are going to justify moving someone as talented as Gaudreau, the price is going to be high. He's a proven scorer, and given the offensive talent the Flyers possess, I think Johnny would be a good fit in Philadelphia silks. Gaudreau is still relatively young, and would be an upgrade to Konecny. Plus, adding someone with that level of offensive dynamic to a roster that includes Voracek and Giroux would elevate their game, and as experienced players give them more space in which to create offense. T.J. Brodie, on the other hand, fits the bill of the kind of defender the Flyers have always seemed to covet - good offensive instincts and playoff experience. If Konecny and Provorov are both off the table, I don't think a deal is plausible. The Flames need to get fair value for a player with the level of skill Gaudreau brings to the table.

There’s a short list of players that Hextall would move Provorov for and Gaudreau isn’t one of them. Gaudreau would absolutely be worth Konecny++, I just don’t see Hextall moving him. Gaudreau is an elite player and locked up to a very good deal, but trading your #1 defenseman for a winger isn’t the recipe to success.

A deal involving Simmonds, Brodie/Hamilton, and swapping draft picks makes more sense than anything with Gaudreau.

 

[The Gnome]

There’s a short list of players that Hextall would move Provorov for and Gaudreau isn’t one of them. Gaudreau would absolutely be worth Konecny++, I just don’t see Hextall moving him. Gaudreau is an elite player and locked up to a very good deal, but trading your #1 defenseman for a winger isn’t the recipe to success.

A deal involving Simmonds, Brodie/Hamilton, and swapping draft picks makes more sense than anything with Gaudreau.

No to moving Gaudreau from my POV. What would you want from us for Simmonds?

 

[Baxterman]

That’s what I was getting to.

I will admit the only Gaudreau deal I see working is to overpay to get him home and that would involve the marketing aspect that most fans don't care about so I don't expect many Flyers fans to have any interest in the types of deal I (and most Flames fans) would be looking for with Gaudreau.

 

[duffy9748]

No to moving Gaudreau from my POV. What would you want from us for Simmonds?

Flyers are in a pretty flexible position moving forward. The logical thing to do would be to move Simmonds for a futures and then trade for 1-2 impact players with prospects/picks.

Many Flyers fans got on board for Simmonds for Bennett+Ferland.

With rumors saying Calgary will want a 1st round pick, would Hamilton be available for a package? Flyers hold two first round picks and have 8-10 very good prospects that aren’t far from the NHL.

 

[The Gnome]

Flyers are in a pretty flexible position moving forward. The logical thing to do would be to move Simmonds for a futures and then trade for 1-2 impact players with prospects/picks.

Many Flyers fans got on board for Simmonds for Bennett+Ferland.

With rumors saying Calgary will want a 1st round pick, would Hamilton be available for a package? Flyers hold two first round picks and have 8-10 very good prospects that aren’t far from the NHL.

ugh, if the flames are looking for a 1st round pick, I really have no idea what they are doing. They need to add to the core, not take away from it imo. I'm not ready to move on from Bennett, and no to moving Hamilton. moving Ferland+Brodie may be doable. If Freidman is right about us wanting a 1st round pick, then I fail to understand what our management is doing with all the have invested in making us better now, and for the next 2-3 years.

 

[Body Checker]

If (and we're not) we were rebuilding then Gaudreau to Flyers would be a rebuilding package of Frost, Myers, 2018 1st (Flames choice of STL or Philly) and 2019 2nd.

If it was to be a hockey trade then Konecny would absolutely have to be involved.

 

[Mr Snrub]

Flyers are in a pretty flexible position moving forward. The logical thing to do would be to move Simmonds for a futures and then trade for 1-2 impact players with prospects/picks.

Many Flyers fans got on board for Simmonds for Bennett+Ferland.

With rumors saying Calgary will want a 1st round pick, would Hamilton be available for a package? Flyers hold two first round picks and have 8-10 very good prospects that aren’t far from the NHL.

Hamilton is off the table, opens up way too big of a roster hole. I would be all over Ferland and Bennett for Simmonds though.

 

[Body Checker]

Also isn't the talk of Treliving going for a 1st just spinning our wheels? Like c'mon, you totally misjudge your roster, make the Hamonic trade and now want to get a 1st? How about a top 6 forward and a nice bottom 6 forward? Use the assets for that. Hey I won't mind using an asset (Fox, Brodie) to get a 1st but these moves also must consider getting a top 6 forward for next year. So if the wish list is a 1st and a top 6 forward then it's admitting the Hamonic deal was ill advised. But sigh yeah I'll move on, we still got Hamonic so it's not like we spent our 1st on a one year rental and missed the playoffs. I hope Treliving learns from all this.

 

[The General]

There’s a short list of players that Hextall would move Provorov for and Gaudreau isn’t one of them. Gaudreau would absolutely be worth Konecny++, I just don’t see Hextall moving him. Gaudreau is an elite player and locked up to a very good deal, but trading your #1 defenseman for a winger isn’t the recipe to success.

A deal involving Simmonds, Brodie/Hamilton, and swapping draft picks makes more sense than anything with Gaudreau.

You know, I wasn't sure if I was too low on Provorov or not. I knew he was looking like a future All-Star on the blueline, but I wouldn't be surprised if he turned into a true franchise defenseman. Is that your feeling on him too?