Speculation: Armchair GM Thread: I can't believe it's not butter, I can't believe we didn't get Ryan Hartman.

[Johnny Hoxville]

Trades:

- Trade: Backlund and Brodie for William Nylander

- Trade: Dougie and Dube for Michael Stone

- Trade: Frolik for Karl Alzner

- Sign: Calvin De Haan

Gaudreau - Nylander - Stone
Bennett - Monahan - Tkachuk
Ferland - Janks - Dube
Mangiapange - Shore - Lazar

Gio - Alzner
De Haan - Hamonic
Kulak - Stone

 

[Flames Fanatic]

Trades:

- Trade: Backlund and Brodie for William Nylander

- Trade: Dougie and Dube for Michael Stone

- Trade: Frolik for Karl Alzner

- Sign: Calvin De Haan

Gaudreau - Nylander - Stone
Bennett - Monahan - Tkachuk
Ferland - Janks - Dube
Mangiapange - Shore - Lazar

Gio - Alzner
De Haan - Hamonic
Kulak - Stone

Alzner has regressed to basically Stone, but without his shot and a worse contract. Hard pass.

Toronto doesn't do the first deal imo. Would be like us trading Gaudreau for Kadri and Gardiner.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

Alzner has regressed to basically Stone, but without his shot and a worse contract. Hard pass.

Toronto doesn't do the first deal imo. Would be like us trading Gaudreau for Kadri and Gardiner.

I’m not sure he’s regressed, I just don’t think he’s being slotted properly. Weber has been hurt most of the year he’s been over used.

And maybe TO doesn’t, but I can still dream lol. The other guy I was 50/50 of doing for that package was Kuznetsov. He would be another target.

 

[The General]

To Philadelphia
Johnny Gaudreau
T.J. Brodie

To Calgary
Travis Konecny
Ivan Provorov
Philadelphia's 2018 1st

Tkachuk - Monahan - Konecny
Bennett - Backlund - Frolik
Ferland - Jankowski - Dube
Hathaway - Stajan - Lazar

Hamilton - Giordano
Provorov - Hamonic
Stone - Kulak

 

[DFF]

To Philadelphia
Johnny Gaudreau
T.J. Brodie

To Calgary
Travis Konecny
Ivan Provorov
Philadelphia's 2018 1st

Tkachuk - Monahan - Konecny
Bennett - Backlund - Frolik
Ferland - Jankowski - Dube
Hathaway - Stajan - Lazar

Hamilton - Giordano
Provorov - Hamonic
Stone - Kulak

This line up may get shut out half the time

 

[The General]

This line up may get shut out half the time

I don't know about that. I think Tkachuk would look good playing with Monahan, he makes clever passes and always seems to be creating offence that way. Plus, Konecny is a heart and soul guy who, as he develops, has great leadership qualities. I think the Flames need more leadership in their forward core.

 

[Baxterman]

To Philadelphia
Johnny Gaudreau
T.J. Brodie

To Calgary
Travis Konecny
Ivan Provorov
Philadelphia's 2018 1st

Tkachuk - Monahan - Konecny
Bennett - Backlund - Frolik
Ferland - Jankowski - Dube
Hathaway - Stajan - Lazar

Hamilton - Giordano
Provorov - Hamonic
Stone - Kulak

Replace the 1st with Patrick and it would be worth considering otherwise I would pass.

Edit: Probably have to switch out Provorov if Patrick included so switch out Provorov for Sanheim

 

[MDCSL]

I don't know about that. I think Tkachuk would look good playing with Monahan, he makes clever passes and always seems to be creating offence that way. Plus, Konecny is a heart and soul guy who, as he develops, has great leadership qualities. I think the Flames need more leadership in their forward core.

We need to add offense, not take it away

 

[BobColesNasalCavity]

Trades:

- Trade: Backlund and Brodie for William Nylander

- Trade: Dougie and Dube for Michael Stone

- Trade: Frolik for Karl Alzner

- Sign: Calvin De Haan

Gaudreau - Nylander - Stone
Bennett - Monahan - Tkachuk
Ferland - Janks - Dube
Mangiapange - Shore - Lazar

Gio - Alzner
De Haan - Hamonic
Kulak - Stone

Alzner is terrible and has a f***ed up hand for the rest of his life essentially. I read somewhere he has to get his wife to cut his food because of it.

Isn't it Mark Stone?

I'm actually good with trading Brodie as long as Rasmussen gets that spot. He's looked good and he might be a little green but he's never going to get better unless he gets minutes in the NHL. We need another centerman and probably a RW. I don't know how you can fill both without a 1st and 2nd this year. Unless you sign Taveres...

I mean realistically what are our trade chips off the roster that could be packaged for an upgrade?

 

[KodakGinger]

If Dominik Bokk is still on th board, I would do this any day. I think Parsons is a stud and is gonna be our number on soon enough.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Move 1:

Hamilton+ For Marner (7 years 6.75 million)

Move 2:

Stone for Buffalo 3rd

Move 3:

Phillips and 3rd(buff) for Jarry.

Move 4:

Fox, Kylington and Rittich for Christian Dvorak

Team:

Gaudreau-Monahan-Ferland
Tkachuk-Dvorak-Marner
Bennett-Backlund-Dube
Mangiapane-Jankowski-Shore
Whoever

Giordano-Brodie
Kulak-Hamonic
Valimaki-Andersson
Depth FA

Smith
Jarry

I think at some point you want Valimaki to pass Kulak.

 

[Mobiandi]

Re-uniting Tkachuk with Dvorak and Marner here would be a dream. Don't think we get Dvorak that easily though

 

[The General]

We need to add offense, not take it away

Is the problem a lack of skill on the team, or is it lack of drive? From what I've seen, this team simply lacks motivation and underperformed en masse. I think the problem is a culture of entitlement in the dressing room, not a lack of high-end offensive talent. You can fire the coach, but you can't ignore the fact that this team simply gave up down the stretch and played their way out of the playoffs. I feel bad for Gulutzan, not that I think he's a great coach, but I get frustrated watching the lack of drive on this team and I think the problem is in the room, not on the ice.

 

[MDCSL]

Is the problem a lack of skill on the team, or is it lack of drive? From what I've seen, this team simply lacks motivation and underperformed en masse. I think the problem is a culture of entitlement in the dressing room, not a lack of high-end offensive talent. You can fire the coach, but you can't ignore the fact that this team simply gave up down the stretch and played their way out of the playoffs. I feel bad for Gulutzan, not that I think he's a great coach, but I get frustrated watching the lack of drive on this team and I think the problem is in the room, not on the ice.

I think the problem is a combination of both, a lack of drive which I attribute a lot to the coach, and a lack of skill in our bottom 6. Maybe you want a small top 6 upgrade but really we need a productive third line, because our top line can’t carry us offensively every year.

 

[The General]

I think the problem is deeper than the coach. Remember when Gaudreau and Monahan showed up to practice hungover and Hartley had to bench them? If the first line is going to lead this team into contention they need to show a lot more emotion and care a lot more about their performance and how it can impact the win column. Especially when the games become important and you're fighting for a playoff spot.

 

[Baxterman]

Is the problem a lack of skill on the team, or is it lack of drive? From what I've seen, this team simply lacks motivation and underperformed en masse. I think the problem is a culture of entitlement in the dressing room, not a lack of high-end offensive talent. You can fire the coach, but you can't ignore the fact that this team simply gave up down the stretch and played their way out of the playoffs. I feel bad for Gulutzan, not that I think he's a great coach, but I get frustrated watching the lack of drive on this team and I think the problem is in the room, not on the ice.

Lack of skill no doubt.

Outside of the Tkachuk, Monahan and Gaudreau this team is severely lacking skill in its forwards.

Backlund is productive for a secondary player but not overly skilled offensively, Bennett and Ferland should be adequate 3rd pieces on a top 6 line at best but neither are overly skilled or great at creating offense.

 

[Flames Fanatic]

I’m not sure he’s regressed, I just don’t think he’s being slotted properly. Weber has been hurt most of the year he’s been over used.

And maybe TO doesn’t, but I can still dream lol. The other guy I was 50/50 of doing for that package was Kuznetsov. He would be another target.

He was so bad in Washington in his last season he was a healthy scratch and Caps fans cheered when he left.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

I expected a better response from you.

1. The Flames are supposedly looking for a 1st and of the things that could get us one, this is the type of package that would hurt us the least.
2. In that particular scenario shedding Frolik's contract makes signing Tavares possible
3. Kylington has enough value to push Frolik's value from a 2nd to a 1st

You may have expected a better response, doesn't make it wrong. A magic bean isn't worth giving up on two significant pieces for. That magic bean (could easily be a pick in the 20s) may turn out as good as Kylington. Come talk to me if that's a top ten pick.

If the goal is to have enough cap space for Tavares, there are smarter ways to do it. If the cap goes up as rumoured, offering him league max is within the realm of possibility, even if it's a dumb idea.

 

[SmellOfVictory]

Trades:

- Trade: Backlund and Brodie for William Nylander

- Trade: Dougie and Dube for Michael Stone

- Trade: Frolik for Karl Alzner

- Sign: Calvin De Haan

Gaudreau - Nylander - Stone
Bennett - Monahan - Tkachuk
Ferland - Janks - Dube
Mangiapange - Shore - Lazar

Gio - Alzner
De Haan - Hamonic
Kulak - Stone

We already have one too many Micheal Stones. I do not want two of them.

 

[Calculon]

Since it's basically the off-season, here's my attempt at something that will never happen

-Fire Gulutzan and hire someone competent

-Trade Hamilton for Marner

-Trade Stone for a couple of 3rd's

-Buyout Brouwer

-Sign Ian Cole to 3yrs x 3M

-Sign Tavares to 7yrs x 11M

Tkachuk (0.925M) - Tavares (11M) - Marner (0.9M)
Gaudreau (6.75M) - Monahan (6.375M) - Ferland (1.75M)
Bennett (1.95M) - Backlund (5.35M) - Frolik (4.3M)
Lazar (0.8M) - Jankowski (1.5M) - Shore (0.95M)
Hathaway (0.75M)

Giordano (6.75M) - Brodie (4.65M)
Cole (3M) - Hamonic (3.9M)
Kulak (0.9M) - Andersson (0.75M)

Smith (4.25M)
Rittich (1.5M)

Forwards: 43.23M
Defence: 19.95M
Goaltending: 5.75M
Buyouts: 0.767M+0.137M+1.5M= 2.404
Total: 71.33M

 

[Master Bill]

Why is the thought of trading Dougie so popular here? People forget he's only 24, will get better and wiser every season, and will probably play at a high level for another 6-8 years. When Gio's gone, this guy will be our #1.

If you want to trade a D for help up front, Brodie should be the one heading out before anyone else.

 

[Tkachuky]

Why is the thought of trading Dougie so popular here? People forget he's only 24, will get better and wiser every season, and will probably play at a high level for another 6-8 years. When Gio's gone, this guy will be our #1.

If you want to trade a D for help up front, Brodie should be the one heading out before anyone else.

100%. Brodie should be the one to go but his value is probably pretty darn low i would think.

 

[Master Bill]

100%. Brodie should be the one to go but his value is probably pretty darn low i would think.

Hmm would it be? We'd say he had a bad year but others will see that he put up 32 pts, played 23+ mins a game, and on a great cap hit. I think he has sufficient value to bring a top 6 forward, hopefully something like a Hall-Larsson type trade.

 

[Body Checker]

Brodie for Kapanen and 2018 1st would accomplish both of Treliving's goals - get a 1st back and improve forward depth. Kapanen has 20 goal upside and is one of the fastest players in the NHL plus a good penalty killer.

 

[Flames Fanatic]

Brodie for Kapanen and 2018 1st would accomplish both of Treliving's goals - get a 1st back and improve forward depth. Kapanen has 20 goal upside and is one of the fastest players in the NHL plus a good penalty killer.

Except it doesn't help our most glaring need which is a top six forward.

A 1st is nice, but this team needs help now, while we have guys in their primes or on better deals than they will get latter. A 1st could take years to turn into something, or it might never.