Speculation: Armchair GM - Offseason Thread (Summer Edition)

[BB88]

Our outlook is much better than Detroits and certainly Fantilli has higher upside than anyone on the Wings, but getting him is not an outcome of some master plan. Jarmo's plan just happened to fail badly enough in the right year.

Of course not.

But do we discredit every successfull team that has drafted at the top?

Everyone loves the Devils right now, their road to this point meant being bad at the right time and being lucky in lottery (Hughes, Hischier, Hughes, Nemec)
Colorado is one of the most respected franchises today and they need to be thankfull for being bad at the right time and being lucky in lottery.
Tampa the same.

& if you are unlucky with the draft then you have to figure out a way to address the issue another way, there’s multiple different options for that and that’s why Gm’s get paid millions. To get results.
I believe if they hadn’t gotten Fantilli they’d be much more aggressive in free agency/trades to land that 1C a’la Lindholm for example.

Detroids been drafting in the top10 from 2017-> and still lack that franchise forward and aren’t even still quaranteed to be making the playoffs.
I just fail to see how they are this top tier franchise right now and how there’s a clear vision but Columbus is a bottom tier run franchise with no plan in place.
Columbus has has build a top 2/3 prospect pool in 3 years with a 3rd, 5th& 6th overall picks, they haven’t been drafting 1st overalls like Buffalo/Devils/Edmonton

 

[Doggy]

Wash, Rinse, Repeat

 

[Seedtype]

Why do I keep aging but the Jackets never do?
(Sighs)

 

[CBJx614]

Why do I keep aging but the Jackets never do?
(Sighs)

You know my favorite part about being a CBJ fan?!(*Said in Matthew McConaughey twang*)

I get older, but they stay the same age

 

[Cyclones Rock]

Leonardo DiCaprio keeps getting older, but his girlfriends stay the same age

Leonardo DiCaprio’s dating history has been called into question once again. Meredith Clark writes that the online discourse surrounding his pattern of dating women no older than 25 ignores a real problem: he’s made dating younger women no longer cool

www.independent.co.uk

Sometimes it's a good thing

 

[VT]

Wash, Rinse, Repeat

And that's not including Fantilli and Voronkov, maybe even Jiříček.

Btw, Babcock wanted a veteran. Tomáš Tatar played in Detroit when he coached there and Babcock spoke positively about him. Personally, I'm not exactly sure that's the ideal solution, but you never know. Not because he's a winger, some of the bottom 6 players will leave anyway, but I don't know if Tomáš is one of those players who can lead the team in important moments. Although under Babcock he played well in the PO.

 

[MAHJ71]

Leonardo DiCaprio keeps getting older, but his girlfriends stay the same age

Leonardo DiCaprio’s dating history has been called into question once again. Meredith Clark writes that the online discourse surrounding his pattern of dating women no older than 25 ignores a real problem: he’s made dating younger women no longer cool

www.independent.co.uk

Sometimes it's a good thing

LEOOOOO!!!

Sorry, its a habit..

 

[Xoggz22]

Our outlook is much better than Detroits and certainly Fantilli has higher upside than anyone on the Wings, but getting him is not an outcome of some master plan. Jarmo's plan just happened to fail badly enough in the right year.

To be fair I don't think the plan was three major shoulder injuries, a concussion and a larger portion of the year with a lineup that did not meet NHL criteria for pre-season games. But beyond that...sure.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

I didn’t listen to the interview and I have no heard of myself, but apparently Babcock was on a SiriusXM interview and when asked about our defense named Werenski, Provorov, Severson, and Peeke as building blocks and went on to mention that Peeke is a “big kid who is hard to play against” and how we need guys that are hard to play against.

 

[majormajor]

I didn’t listen to the interview and I have no heard of myself, but apparently Babcock was on a SiriusXM interview and when asked about our defense named Werenski, Provorov, Severson, and Peeke as building blocks and went on to mention that Peeke is a “big kid who is hard to play against” and how we need guys that are hard to play against.

Maybe he hasn't looked closely yet.

But seriously I think Peeke is a lot better than we saw last year. Especially if you can either pair him with a good outlet passer or put him in a foolproof breakout like Torts'. How many times last year did we see Peeke on the breakout waiting with the puck because he couldn't identify an option? We should have just had him give the puck to his D partner, like most teams seem to do when they have a big guy like Carlo who isn't good on outlets. Lars' system seemed to deliberately magnify his weaknesses.

From the "final minute poll" we had I think folks underrate how effective Peeke is at boxing out opponents. He has the range, the lateral mobility, and the strength combination. Gudbranson by comparison can get turned around vs quicker attackers. Peeke is definitely a better shot blocker too. Gets up and down off the ice very quickly, and he seems to be learning a Savardian sense of how to goaltend..

This high praise from Babs makes for an interesting question then, who are the three starting RD?

Severson
Peeke
Boqvist

?

 

[EspenK]

Maybe he hasn't looked closely yet.

But seriously I think Peeke is a lot better than we saw last year. Especially if you can either pair him with a good outlet passer or put him in a foolproof breakout like Torts'. How many times last year did we see Peeke on the breakout waiting with the puck because he couldn't identify an option? We should have just had him give the puck to his D partner, like most teams seem to do when they have a big guy like Carlo who isn't good on outlets. Lars' system seemed to deliberately magnify his weaknesses.

From the "final minute poll" we had I think folks underrate how effective Peeke is at boxing out opponents. He has the range, the lateral mobility, and the strength combination. Gudbranson by comparison can get turned around vs quicker attackers. Peeke is definitely a better shot blocker too. Gets up and down off the ice very quickly, and he seems to be learning a Savardian sense of how to goaltend..

This high praise from Babs makes for an interesting question then, who are the three starting RD?

Severson
Peeke
Boqvist

?

Then the enforcer is in the pres box. (Bad?) Jiricek in Cleveland (Good?) Going to be an interesting camp.

 

[ProfessorFink22]

From the "final minute poll" we had I think folks underrate how effective Peeke is at boxing out
This high praise from Babs makes for an interesting question then, who are the three starting RD?

Severson
Peeke
Boqvist

?

As long as Jiricek is a Monster, I'm happy,

Notice the capital 'M', implying AHL... So that way he can develop into a 'monster' in the NHL in future years!

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Speaking of, Jiricek makes the list

 

[CBJWerenski8]

From the "final minute poll" we had I think folks underrate how effective Peeke is at boxing out opponents. He has the range, the lateral mobility, and the strength combination. Gudbranson by comparison can get turned around vs quicker attackers. Peeke is definitely a better shot blocker too. Gets up and down off the ice very quickly, and he seems to be learning a Savardian sense of how to goaltend..

This high praise from Babs makes for an interesting question then, who are the three starting RD?

Severson
Peeke
Boqvist

?

If the goal was to be “bigger and hard to play against” it would imply

Werenski-Severson
Provorov-Peeke
Boqvist/Bean (likely bean since Babcock likes LD-RD handiness)-Gudbranson
Boqvist/Bean

Provorov or Severson get PP2 minutes

 

[thebus88]

Where is the Babcock prefers LH-RH on D coming from??

I think with how our D is built you have to focus on the “fit” of the defensemen themselves and how many minutes they should be getting.

I think Werenski/Boqvist are both extremely good with the puck/offensively, and even though Boqvist (and well unfortunately somewhat Werenski himself also) is prone to blue line giveaways, I don’t think they’d be impacted much playing on the off side.

Provorov-Werenski
Bean-Severson
Boqvist/Blankenburg-Gudbranson/Jiricek

 

[thebus88]

I didn’t listen to the interview and I have no heard of myself, but apparently Babcock was on a SiriusXM interview and when asked about our defense named Werenski, Provorov, Severson, and Peeke as building blocks and went on to mention that Peeke is a “big kid who is hard to play against” and how we need guys that are hard to play against.

Maybe he hasn't looked closely yet.

But seriously I think Peeke is a lot better than we saw last year. Especially if you can either pair him with a good outlet passer or put him in a foolproof breakout like Torts'. How many times last year did we see Peeke on the breakout waiting with the puck because he couldn't identify an option? We should have just had him give the puck to his D partner, like most teams seem to do when they have a big guy like Carlo who isn't good on outlets. Lars' system seemed to deliberately magnify his weaknesses.

From the "final minute poll" we had I think folks underrate how effective Peeke is at boxing out opponents. He has the range, the lateral mobility, and the strength combination. Gudbranson by comparison can get turned around vs quicker attackers. Peeke is definitely a better shot blocker too. Gets up and down off the ice very quickly, and he seems to be learning a Savardian sense of how to goaltend..

This high praise from Babs makes for an interesting question then, who are the three starting RD?

Severson
Peeke
Boqvist

?

I wonder how much of it was “high praise” and how much of it was just parroting what he was told/sold from someone else in the organization. I wonder how much of him Babcock has actually seen. I could see his tune change very quickly during camp/preseason.

Peeke isn’t better than Gudbranson in any way, mobility and protecting the net are both things Gud is just as good at. IMO. Peeke is in the running with Roslovic for dumbest player on the team. Also IMO.

 

[Monk]

I wonder how much of it was “high praise” and how much of it was just parroting what he was told/sold from someone else in the organization. I wonder how much of him Babcock has actually seen. I could see his tune change very quickly during camp/preseason.

Peeke isn’t better than Gudbranson in any way, mobility and protecting the net are both things Gud is just as good at. IMO. Peeke is in the running with Roslovic for dumbest player on the team. Also IMO.

I feel more comfortable saying Babcock disagrees with you than I would saying Babcock's been sitting around, twiddling his thumbs & not becoming familiar with the players he's about to coach.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

I wonder how much of it was “high praise” and how much of it was just parroting what he was told/sold from someone else in the organization. I wonder how much of him Babcock has actually seen. I could see his tune change very quickly during camp/preseason.

Peeke isn’t better than Gudbranson in any way, mobility and protecting the net are both things Gud is just as good at. IMO. Peeke is in the running with Roslovic for dumbest player on the team. Also IMO.

Again I didn’t listen to the interview myself, but from the person who did, he seemed to make it a point to talk about Peeke by name. And did not mention Gudbranson, bean, Boqvist, or Blankenburg at all.

I think Babs is a fan of the player or what he thinks he can be. I also don’t think it’s a coincidence he mentioned to lefty’s and two righties

 

[stevo61]

Where is the Babcock prefers LH-RH on D coming from??

I think with how our D is built you have to focus on the “fit” of the defensemen themselves and how many minutes they should be getting.

I think Werenski/Boqvist are both extremely good with the puck/offensively, and even though Boqvist (and well unfortunately somewhat Werenski himself also) is prone to blue line giveaways, I don’t think they’d be impacted much playing on the off side.

Provorov-Werenski
Bean-Severson
Boqvist/Blankenburg-Gudbranson/Jiricek

Babcock has always been high on defenders being on the proper side. Even when coaching for team Canada they would take maybe a weaker roster on paper to form LH-RH pairs

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Where is the Babcock prefers LH-RH on D coming from??

In a perfect world the Detroit Red Wings would have a right- and left-handed shooting defenseman on every pairing.


They would settle for acquiring just one right-handed shot in free agency, which begins on Tuesday.


"We got seven left-hand D. I love (to have a righty), but how do you get it?" Red Wings coach Mike Babcock said over the weekend at the NHL entry draft in Philadelphia. "It's great to have this fantasy; like (general manager) Kenny Holland would tell you, there's no tree. I've been all over him, but there's no tree to grab them off of, so we'll get what we get."

"(Former coach) Scotty Bowman was starting a seminar for coaches the other day and he said 'Mike Babcock, he loves those right- and left-hand shots. At the Olympics, he took right- and left-hand shots (for Canada),' " Babcock said during the draft."I just think it's so much easier when you have a right and lefty on every pair. All you got to do is look at L.A. (Stanley Cup champion Kings), a right and lefty on every pair. Makes it easier to get through the neutral zone, easier off D-zone faceoffs to execute. You have the puck more. You can get it off the wall and shoot it in the offensive zone. To me it just makes sense."

Red Wings' Mike Babcock values righty-lefty balance on defense, but says 'we'll get what we get'

The Red Wings have a lot of interest in Dan Boyle, a righty, and Christian Ehrhoff, a lefty. Matt Niskanen might cost more than they're willing to spend.

www.mlive.com

 

[koteka]

I think Babs is a fan of the player or what he thinks he can be.

A lot of us have been a fan of what we thought Peeke can be. But he hasn’t become anything close to what we had hoped for.

 

[3074326]

LEOOOOO!!!

Sorry, its a habit..

I was excited to hear Nationwide yell "LEOOOO" at Leo Carlsson, I must admit.

But, it's ok!

 

[CBJx614]

Looks like Peeke is staying busy this summer

 

[majormajor]

I was excited to hear Nationwide yell "LEOOOO" at Leo Carlsson, I must admit.

But, it's ok!

It seems Fantilli's first name is properly Adamo, so there's potential there. Though maybe he'd rather we stick with plain old Adam.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

It seems Fantilli's first name is properly Adamo, so there's potential there. Though maybe he'd rather we stick with plain old Adam.

Or, for those in “my” generation