Speculation: Arizona only has 5 players signed for next season
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Jumptheshark
Rebooting myself
It is a complete rebuild of the organization. They made the decision to start from scratch.
I think some are so blind by hate they are not understanding the logic.
The day the oilers traded Ryan Smyth they should have done it. But instead they built a team hoping to sneak into the playoffs.
Some of the hate is coming from the analytical community who after 5 years still refuse to admit their golden boy didnt know what he was doing.
Arizona is building a whole new foundation and to do so.. you need to nuke the old one.
As long as they do not rush the kids this plan will work
Kranix
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Did a quick glance at capfriendly and I don't see many players teams are absolutely looking to offload.
Some, like Lucic, have M-NTC thus they may not want to go to a Tanking franchise to finish up their career.
In the end, all AZ has done with the 2022 draft is recoup the picks that they lost in 2020 and 2021 due to the Hall trade and the combine penalty.
If you take the expectation that Colorado will turn it around and Carolina holds their spot at the top of the Metro, the Coyoytes (own 2nd) will have 3 picks in the 25-35 range.
Since like 2013, the best picks in those 11 picks have been:
2013 - Theodore then a big gap til Dickinson and Compther
2014 - Pastrnak, then a big gap til Kempe
2015 - Aho, then a gap til Beauvillier, Roslovic, then to Fischer/Dermott
2016 - Kyrou, then Asplund, Peake, Frederic, Howden, Thompson
2017 - Jokrijaru, Hague, Tolvanen (still incomplete, but don't expect a high end player from there. Maybe a middle 6 or 2nd pair Dman)
So far, from those 55 picks, 3 Top end players in Theodore, Pastrnak, Aho. Then a drop off to a some guys who are middle 6 to bottom 3 Dmen.
So, still up to AZ to draft right and develop. But, not as if history shows that there is a great hit rate in that range of the draft.
Some, like Lucic, have M-NTC thus they may not want to go to a Tanking franchise to finish up their career.
In the end, all AZ has done with the 2022 draft is recoup the picks that they lost in 2020 and 2021 due to the Hall trade and the combine penalty.
If you take the expectation that Colorado will turn it around and Carolina holds their spot at the top of the Metro, the Coyoytes (own 2nd) will have 3 picks in the 25-35 range.
Since like 2013, the best picks in those 11 picks have been:
2013 - Theodore then a big gap til Dickinson and Compther
2014 - Pastrnak, then a big gap til Kempe
2015 - Aho, then a gap til Beauvillier, Roslovic, then to Fischer/Dermott
2016 - Kyrou, then Asplund, Peake, Frederic, Howden, Thompson
2017 - Jokrijaru, Hague, Tolvanen (still incomplete, but don't expect a high end player from there. Maybe a middle 6 or 2nd pair Dman)
So far, from those 55 picks, 3 Top end players in Theodore, Pastrnak, Aho. Then a drop off to a some guys who are middle 6 to bottom 3 Dmen.
So, still up to AZ to draft right and develop. But, not as if history shows that there is a great hit rate in that range of the draft.
PensPlz
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Idk. Maybe just dissolve the team? Too many teams now anyways. Too many teams makes for too many games. Too much travel. Talent is very diluted...
Product just isn't getting better.
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LeBrun: Coyotes GM Bill Armstrong on why they went scorched earth and the long road ahead
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And of course, the Coyotes will try yet again to be creative with their cap space, as they were last year (having netted picks that way). As I reported recently, the Coyotes tried hard to get in on the Jack Eichel deal as a third-party broker willing to rent out cap space, but in the end, Vegas and Buffalo were able to strike a deal without Arizona needing to be involved.
In any case, the Coyotes will hope to use that cap space again ahead of the trade deadline and the draft.
“We’ve obviously tried to be very creative in trying to generate picks and we’re going to continue to do that all the way through,’’ Armstrong said. “That’s something we haven’t been shy about, trying to acquire picks and cap space because the flat cap has been at a premium. So, we’ve always tried to use that to our advantage and will continue to do so.’’”
Sooner or later they'll force Meruelo to sell, belatedly realizing that he's played the NHL all along just to try to land an NBA team which is what he really wants (recalling his failed bid for the Atlanta Hawks).
Panthaz89
Buffalo Sabres, Carolina Panthers fan
yeah as soon as the players they draft will be ready players that are in their prime years are going to leave because they don't want to waste their best years wasted away... this isn't NHL 22 their players are gonna be frustrated stuck in a rebuild for a several years.
Doug Armstrong was extremely successful with the blues rebuild and bill Armstrong was right there with him. I expect him to follow the same pattern. Bottom out, bring in young, high picks, and then surround them with aging leaders like Tkachuk, morrow, langenbrunner, Kariya, upshall, etc to help the young guys learn how to be pros.
Jumptheshark
Rebooting myself
Some posters here love bashing the team. They are clearing the decks of all bad energy.
People want them to fail. Draft bad, sign over priced ufas and give away their players.
I can see their plan
The Coyotes are going to need more than mood rings, incense, cat tapestries, and Barry Manilow playing in the background to get them going again.
EdJovanovski
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As someone who's always been obsessed with deserts & thinks they have the nicest jerseys in sports, I hope they never relocate
I don't really know what their plan is, if they even have one. This isn't just a recent story. PHX/ARI has been a get out of jail free card for the rest of the league for 2 decades. I guess every league needs a team the ARI. I personally think it soils the reputation of the league having a team so poorly run as they are. There are far better destination the NHL could be in and could do a far better job managing the team than what we've see out of this Franchise the past 20 years. Either get people in there who are serious about hockey or move the team to a location and give it to people who are.
Right now, like I said earlier, they are a get out of jail card for the rest of the GMs and an early retirement location for players.
Right now, like I said earlier, they are a get out of jail card for the rest of the GMs and an early retirement location for players.
how though?
1.) the coyotes can’t offer more than 20% of the max cap for 7 years. The leafs can offer 8 years. 17.5% would make him higher paid.
the coyotes made it known that they would offer 15 x 7 as an RFA. He chose 11.6 x 5 in Toronto. If his primary goal was Arizona. He would have signed there last time. When they had SOME semblance of a team.
2.) the coyotes couldn’t afford amenities in the bubble and have had no fans for 3 years now.
3.) they were LATE on SB. Auston Matthews will get full SB in Toronto. Why would he sign some where the owners already couldn’t pay.
he knows the coyotes players. He works out with them. He knows how bad they were treated in comparison to top organizations.
Matthews might end up there. Especially if he signed with the leafs and gets front loaded. But if he did it would have nothing to do with money.
there are reports he is interested in growing the game in Latin communities. I mean he could want to do that in LA. But Arizona with no team anand no arena and no money would be nuts
TheScandal89
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Its getting pretty bad there, it's probably cheaper to go to a Coyotes game then paying for 3 hours of using your air conditioner over there. I'm sure the League, and perhaps Matthews himself, hopes that he can save the franchise.
except that plan has lead to horrific failure for multiple teams over the past 20 years.
Is it possible that they will have too many draftpics? I think they should try to do something like lower pic for a higher pic + Hagelin/Kerfoot.
They will either be aggressive and package picks to move up and/or trade picks for future picks (ie a 2022 2nd for a 2023 2nd and a 7th).
There are never too many draft picks but there are challenges that organizations face when their picks develop and need to be signed. The one problem teams in this position have is that they can't sign all of the players they draft. Decisions have to be made as prospects develop. While some prospects can be signed to AHL contracts until spots open up others have to be released.
One way around this problem is to draft a lot of kids who are playing in European leagues or heading for college. That postpones the need to sign some of them.
There are also cap issues to be planned for as well, especially if you have a number of high draft picks with expiring entry-level contracts.
there’s some terrible, uneducated, and plainly jaded comments in here. Your posts are always informal and well thought out. I appreciate your posts in this thread in particular.
same as the Panthers, the Yotes aren’t going anywhere. The Panthers were terrible for a long time due to terrible ownership that couldn’t get out of their own way and wanted to use adjacent land for a casino and hotels to help fund the team. They were denied at every attempt, so they capped the team. The fans were made to suffer. Now, they have excellent owners who’ve invested heavily in the team and continue to, paid all employees during the lockout unlike many other teams in major sports, hired an incredible GM, sit at the top of the League…some idiots still say they’ll be moved.
I enjoy that the Coyotes mere existence clearly annoys the clueless. I’m a Panther fan, period, but I look forward to Armstrong hopefully making them a contender.
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