Sportsnet: Arizona have received an offer matching their asking price for Jakob Chychrun.

[Bevans]

If Arizona truly wants to get a huge haul (like 3 firsts) they would be foolish not to have a contract coming back. So many teams are up against the cap, that if they do not they would really be only dealing with only a few teams, and therefore diminish the return.

said player coming back being a UFA at seasons end is a bonus IMO.

You can't look at it in a vacuum.

Sure an offer with a Cap dump may be more attractive than one without. but that is despite the dump, not because of it.

They're just not going to do other teams favors. But a really good offer that includes a dump is not a favor.

 

[YP44]

You can't look at it in a vacuum.

Sure an offer with a Cap dump may be more attractive than one without. but that is despite the dump, not because of it.

They're just not going to do other teams favors. But a really good offer that includes a dump is not a favor.

Not looking at in a Vacuum. Arizona would be doing themselves a favor by not limiting the # of teams bidding.

 

[Boondock]

contract status doesn't out weight a players on ice value.

No one said it did, but it does impact the assets a team will pay to acquire.

 

[rt]

I disagree with your assessment on Samoskevitch, I like the kid. I don't know why you dislike Tippett so much, but again, i'm not losing Chychrun. What didn't you grasp there?

Which part of my assessment on Samoskevich? I like him more than Tippett, Knight, Denisenko, Ludvig, Nause, etc. He’s my favorite Panthers prospect. But I dont value him more highly than a late-1st. There are about 20ish kids in this draft I like better.

As for Tippett, I would MAYBE trade our latest of five 2nds for him. But only because we have five of them because we had three last draft. If we only had two last draft and two this draft, I’d keep them and skip Tippett.

 

[Bevans]

Not looking at in a Vacuum. Arizona would be doing themselves a favor by not limiting the # of teams bidding.

False dichotomy. Never suggested they were.

 

[Bevans]

No one said it did, but it does impact the assets a team will pay to acquire.

And how many teams can participate in the bidding war.

 

[Laus723]

Which part of my assessment on Samoskevich? I like him more than Tippett, Knight, Denisenko, Ludvig, Nause, etc. He’s my favorite Panthers prospect. But I dont value him more highly than a late-1st. There are about 20ish kids in this draft I like better.

As for Tippett, I would MAYBE trade our latest of five 2nds for him. But only because we have five of them because we had three last draft. If we only had two last draft and two this draft, I’d keep them and skip Tippett.

Fair enough. Can't say I blame you or really think any differently, guess we'll just have to wait and see how it all shakes out. Tbh, I'd say he doesn't end up a Panther...but I hope he does, and hopefully things work out for both teams.

 

[Viqsi]

Ceulemans+Foudy+Later of the 1sts is my favorite of all the reasonable offers.

At the risk of sparking yet another "no, not Schneider, you can have Lundkvist instead, no really he's as good or even better, TAKE HIM INSTEAD" type deba(t|cl)e, would there be any receptiveness to getting one of Svozil or Knazko instead of Ceulemans? That's a lot more palatable to the Jackets ('cause they're LDs) and they're all three rated about the same in our prospect pool.

EDIT: In point of fact, EliteProspects thought Svozil was the one who should have been the first-rounder instead of Ceulemans, but that was at draft time...

 

[rt]

At the risk of sparking yet another "no, not Schneider, you can have Lundkvist instead, no really he's as good or even better, TAKE HIM INSTEAD" type deba(t|cl)e, would there be any receptiveness to getting one of Svozil or Knazko instead of Ceulemans? That's a lot more palatable to the Jackets ('cause they're LDs) and they're all three rated about the same in our prospect pool.

EDIT: In point of fact, EliteProspects thought Svozil was the one who should have been the first-rounder, but that was at draft time...

No thanks.

Just pick Nemec or Jiricek with your other first. Haha.

 

[Viqsi]

No thanks.

Just pick Nemec or Jiricek with your other first. Haha.

Well, yeah, but we were kind of hoping to have those sorts of guys be additions rather than replacements...

 

[rt]

@Viqsi - I have to say that it’s quite funny that we’re talking trade right now. Generally, you and I are in the exact same position. Being the one small-market fan in these garbage threads where dozens and dozens of other fans from larger markets try to pass off their trash for our treasure.

And it’s really no surprise that we found an amicable, reasonable solution, with zero drama, that’s fair for both sides. And with almost no back-and-forth. Haha.

It’s honestly a little affirming for me. Lol.

 

[Viqsi]

@Viqsi - I have to say that it’s quite funny that we’re talking trade right now. Generally, you and I are in the exact same position. Being the one small-market fan in these garbage threads where dozens and dozens of other fans from larger markets try to pass off their trash for our treasure.

And it’s really no surprise that we found an amicable, reasonable solution, with zero drama, that’s fair for both sides. And with almost no back-and-forth. Haha.

It’s honestly a little affirming for me. Lol.

Yeah, I'm kind of watching all this and going "yep, been there..."

 

[rt]

Yeah, I'm kind of watching all this and going "yep, been there..."

I always do the same when you’re in these things ducking and dodging the bull crap. Haha.

I love the idea of adding Ceulemans and Cutter Gauthier for Chychrun. I hate losing Chychrun. But I think that specific pair of assets results in a tremendous shift for us at the top of our pool.

 

[KniespassZegras]

No one said it did, but it does impact the assets a team will pay to acquire.

you literally did, and it doesnt when one player had more years of control and is significantly better and more valueable

 

[Flan the incredible]

Hornqvist is as good as gone. Will have 9M in space needing to sign 5 bottom 6 Fs and a 6th and 7th defenseman. No issues at all

9 mill to sign 7 guys isn't good. Almost half your forwards making league minimum sounds like zero depth. Thats a lot of league minimum guys on the roster unless you fill it with prospects Still not a good scenerio

 

[SnowblindNYR]

If Im Arizona I don't want the prospect that had a temper tantrum, took his ball and went home. What happens when the Yotes are a bottom feeder for the next 4 seasons? Is this prospect suddenly going to show maturity and be an integral piece of the rebuild, or will he cry about his line mates, about not winning, missing the playoffs???? No one knows for sure, but his willingness to show a sense of entitlement to an NHL roster spot indicates there could be future maturity issues, so this is a huge concern I would think for the Yotes.

You know I realized this at some point that maybe he'll sulk playing for a bottom feeder. But the response to the pouting that we're "only" trying to include Lundkvist who has been voted as the #1 prospect by Rangers fans, because we would rather part with him than Schneider is childish.

 

[violaswallet]

I disagree with your assessment on Samoskevitch, I like the kid. I don't know why you dislike Tippett so much, but again, i'm not losing Chychrun. What didn't you grasp there?

He just dislikes a lot of our prospects--undervalues Knight and Denisenko relative to much of the published consensus. It happens. When it comes to a trade, it's going to go down to what Armstrong/team feel.

My guess is Chychrun will get a top 25 prospect, a top 75-100 prospect, and a first. Question becomes who is in those buckets

 

[Bettman Returnz]

Am I missing something on why knight wouldn’t be considered a top end piece of a trade? I mean I get wanting Lundell but knight is a top goalie prospect.

 

[VijayPatel11]

Am I missing something on why knight wouldn’t be considered a top end piece of a trade? I mean I get wanting Lundell but knight is a top goalie prospect.

For some reason, people on this website believe that since "goalies = voodoo" (incredibly oversimplified statement), they have little to no value, no matter how good their pedigree is. Just a way for fans to justify asking for way more than is reasonable for their players.

 

[Bettman Returnz]

For some reason, people on this website believe that since "goalies = voodoo" (incredibly oversimplified statement), they have little to no value, no matter how good their pedigree is. Just a way for fans to justify asking for way more than is reasonable for their players.

Ya I guess so… knight would be a very good piece in a deal (IMO).

 

[Boondock]

You know I realized this at some point that maybe he'll sulk playing for a bottom feeder. But the response to the pouting that we're "only" trying to include Lundkvist who has been voted as the #1 prospect by Rangers fans, because we would rather part with him than Schneider is childish.

1 - I have never made that argument and I don't think anyone else has either.
2 - The argument that Kravtsov he is being included because he is the least likely to be an impactful player than other prospects. This is exacerbated by the his attitude.
3 - Lundkvist being included instead of Schneider is clearly because NY and other team fans identify Schneider's skill set as being more important to team success and a more difficult skill set to find. It doesn't matter if the Rag's fans voted him their best prospect before the season started. This is now, Schneider has emerged as the better prospect at this moment (development isn't linear, I understand this could change) to consider this childish makes no sense to me at all.

 

[Heldig]

Am I missing something on why knight wouldn’t be considered a top end piece of a trade? I mean I get wanting Lundell but knight is a top goalie prospect.

Goalies are voodoo.

 

[Laus723]

He just dislikes a lot of our prospects--undervalues Knight and Denisenko relative to much of the published consensus. It happens. When it comes to a trade, it's going to go down to what Armstrong/team feel.

My guess is Chychrun will get a top 25 prospect, a top 75-100 prospect, and a first. Question becomes who is in those buckets

completely agree.

 

[Bettman Returnz]

Goalies are voodoo.

They are hard to find…. But to be a good team you need a legit starter.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Am I missing something on why knight wouldn’t be considered a top end piece of a trade? I mean I get wanting Lundell but knight is a top goalie prospect.

He was drafted two seasons ago. The stats aren’t great and he hasn’t established himself yet

Now the thrill is gone.

~ Signed HF