Sportsnet: Arizona have received an offer matching their asking price for Jakob Chychrun.

[rt]

You can't be serious.

 

[rt]

After reading a few pages.

Would be ******* awesome to see the tears from a few around here when there is no Othman, Scheider, Lundell, Clarke whoever is going that way but spare parts and a 1st.

Good lord..

Are you confused about the situation? You must be. Arizona doesn’t have to trade Chychrun. If they can’t get a real return, they can keep him. And they they have Chychrun. Who is obviously more valuable than any of Othmann, Schneider, or Clarke. Are you really clueless enough to think any of those players has more trade value in real life? You can’t be.

 

[Tob]

remember when it was all about kakko lafreniere schneider zegras drysdale turcotte byfield for eichel and ended up being krebs? coincidence that its the rangers involved again or just the media trolling for clicks

 

[Taluss]

remember when it was all about kakko lafreniere schneider zegras drysdale turcotte byfield for eichel and ended up being krebs? coincidence that its the rangers involved again or just the media trolling for clicks

Tbh Eichel situation is completely different.

Yeah laf+ or Kakko + is probably very unlikely.

But id definitely do something like Schneider+krav+1st

 

[rt]

remember when it was all about kakko lafreniere schneider zegras drysdale turcotte byfield for eichel and ended up being krebs? coincidence that its the rangers involved again or just the media trolling for clicks

I like Krebs. I’d be good with Krebs as a centerpiece for Chychrun. Also, Schneider is not a clearly superior prospect to Krebs. They’re roughly equivalent. Both are much better prospects than Turcotte. And zero Coyotes fans in this thread are saying Chychrun would return Kakko, Lafreniere, Zegras or Drysdale. Where are you even getting that? They’re saying Schneider would need to be involved. Because he’s a Krebs level prospect. You just proved the opposite point to the one you’re attempting to make.

 

[rt]

Tbh Eichel situation is completely different.

Yeah laf+ or Kakko + is probably very unlikely.

But id definitely do something like Schneider+krav+1st

Yeah. That trio makes sense. I still think you need to add Jones to that, though. Maybe AZ adds Kessel and you dump Nemeth on us?

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Of course Lafreniere isn’t going in. Neither is Kakko. You don’t get to add an untouchable label on five prospects when you want Chychrun. Schneider is obviously in it.

I didn’t. I said NYR can’t afford to trade both Schneider and Othman in the deal. Either or would be more likely the offer but not both. If that can’t push it passed the goal line then doesn’t look like there is a deal to be made there.

 

[Tob]

I like Krebs. I’d be good with Krebs as a centerpiece for Chychrun. Also, Schneider is not a clearly superior prospect to Krebs. They’re roughly equivalent. Both are much better prospects than Turcotte. And zero Coyotes fans in this thread are saying Chychrun would return Kakko, Lafreniere, Zegras or Drysdale. Where are you even getting that? They’re saying Schneider would need to be involved. Because he’s a Krebs level prospect. You just proved the opposite point to the one you’re attempting to make.

im talking about ppl/sabres fans speculating a grade A blue chip would be needed for J.E

 

[Heldig]

Most coyotes fans are OK with ___ + Kravtsov + 2022 1st rounder. The ____ has to be the best piece though.

 

[rt]

I didn’t. I said NYR can’t afford to trade both Schneider and Othman in the deal. Either or would be more likely the offer but not both. If that can’t push it passed the goal line then doesn’t look like there is a deal to be made there.

Of course New York can afford to do that. You’re keeping your actual top young assets (Lafreniere, Kakko, Miller, etc). Non-roster players aren’t the deal-breakers for a young premiere asset like Chychrun. Othmann and Schneider aren’t recent top five picks or anything. Chychrun had a better season last year than either of those two will ever have in the NHL. That’s a fact.

 

[Tob]

Most coyotes fans are OK with ___ + Kravtsov + 2022 1st rounder. The ____ has to be the best piece though.

seems like what marek is insinuating is kravtsov is the best piece with a lesser former 1st rounder hence not moving the needle. If NYR steps up in this scenario, I'd imagine it wouldn't be a prospect better than Kravtsov in addition to kravtsov.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Anyone know why the Coyotes are looking to trade a young and cheap #1 defenseman? I understand why they wouldn't trade him for anything less than a stellar return. But for the reasons they wouldn't want to trade him for anything other than a stellar return it begs the question why would they trade him at all giving his age and contract.

 

[XX]

Anyone know why the Coyotes are looking to trade a young and cheap #1 defenseman? I understand why they wouldn't trade him for anything less than a stellar return. But for the reasons they wouldn't want to trade him for anything other than a stellar return it begs the question why would they trade him at all giving his age and contract.

Tanking next year. Player has already put in five seasons with AZ and is peaking in value. Simple as that. Similar story with Crouse. Not likely to be more valuable than he is this TDL, especially in the context of the rebuild.

Keller is cost controlled through his prime and has really improved under Tourigny, so there's no trade talk with him.

Bill Armstrong built basically a heaven of sorts for scouts in AZ. The plan is to give them an absurd amount of ammo over two or three drafts to do things right.

 

[Tob]

Anyone know why the Coyotes are looking to trade a young and cheap #1 defenseman? I understand why they wouldn't trade him for anything less than a stellar return. But for the reasons they wouldn't want to trade him for anything other than a stellar return it begs the question why would they trade him at all giving his age and contract.

his value is at its peak right now. He was pretty jaded about seeing the roster turn to shit if I recall from an interview with EF and Marek.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Give Tampa a run? The Rangers have the worst xG% at 5v5 in the whole league. The next lowest playoff team is STL at 24th, then Dallas at 15th. They are extremely lucky to even be in the playoff picture at all, let alone this high in the standings. While Shesterkin and the PP could continue to save the day for them, they’re a deeply flawed team at 5v5 and one or two players aren’t gonna change that.

While I agree that the Rangers won't give TB a run for their money and that their record is flattering due to Shesterkin I do find it funny that beating the "Rangers are lucky" drum the most are fans of a team that's as high in the standings as they are because of their league high 9 (!!!) loser points.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Are you confused about the situation? You must be. Arizona doesn’t have to trade Chychrun. If they can’t get a real return, they can keep him. And they they have Chychrun. Who is obviously more valuable than any of Othmann, Schneider, or Clarke. Are you really clueless enough to think any of those players has more trade value in real life? You can’t be.

I am aware of the situation and will wait and see. You should do that as well. Now you just act like you are a part of Arizona’s management throughout this thread. What you like and who you dont like but its not going to be like that. Who is clueless?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Tanking next year. Player has already put in five seasons with AZ and is peaking in value. Simple as that. Similar story with Crouse. Not likely to be more valuable than he is this TDL, especially in the context of the rebuild.

Keller is cost controlled through his prime and has really improved under Tourigny, so there's no trade talk with him.

Bill Armstrong built basically a heaven of sorts for scouts in AZ. The plan is to give them an absurd amount of ammo over two or three drafts to do things right.

If it's a rebuild then he's 23, why wouldn't he be part of that rebuild?

 

[Mikeshane]

It's such a hard trade to speculate on the return because there is probably a wide range of opinion on the value of Chychrun. Is he a future #1 defenseman? If so a 23 year old #1 D has a lot of value.

 

[XX]

If it's a rebuild then he's 23, why wouldn't he be part of that rebuild?

1. His value is unlikely to climb on a team that is purposefully being bad
2. He is underpaid and very likely to test the open market.
3. Him being underpaid now increases his value to contenders, but not AZ
4. He hasn't demanded a trade but likely would become increasingly vocal next year if they're bad again (which is the plan)

So instead of trading him in 23-24, the plan is to trade him now to help supercharge the rebuild.

 

[Richard Banger]

The Tinordi that was just waived?

Would Kravtsov+Lundkvist+1st be acceptable to both teams?

I think this is the trade. It’s the most fair one. Schneider isn’t going anywhere. He just proved himself to be an NHLer at a young stage in his career.

and I think that would be a very good trade for ARZ. If those prospects hit their ceiling they are very very good NHLers

 

[wonton15]

I think the Canucks have an offer in, but Arizona is waiting to see if they will budge on Tucker Poolman.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

1. His value is unlikely to climb on a team that is purposefully being bad
2. He is underpaid and very likely to test the open market.
3. Him being underpaid now increases his value to contenders, but not AZ
4. He hasn't demanded a trade but likely would become increasingly vocal next year if they're bad again (which is the plan)

So instead of trading him in 23-24, the plan is to trade him now to help supercharge the rebuild.

Ok, that makes sense, thanks.

 

[kinghock]

I like Krebs. I’d be good with Krebs as a centerpiece for Chychrun. Also, Schneider is not a clearly superior prospect to Krebs. They’re roughly equivalent. Both are much better prospects than Turcotte. And zero Coyotes fans in this thread are saying Chychrun would return Kakko, Lafreniere, Zegras or Drysdale. Where are you even getting that? They’re saying Schneider would need to be involved. Because he’s a Krebs level prospect. You just proved the opposite point to the one you’re attempting to make.

It is only your opinion and not a gospel:
"Schneider is not a clearly superior prospect to Krebs.
They’re roughly equivalent.
Both are much better prospects than Turcotte".
In my opinion Turcotte>Schneider>Krebs

 

[caps4cup]

While I agree that the Rangers won't give TB a run for their money and that their record is flattering due to Shesterkin I do find it funny that beating the "Rangers are lucky" drum the most are fans of a team that's as high in the standings as they are because of their league high 9 (!!!) loser points.

The Caps have certainly benefitted from loser points. Only 3 teams have fewer losses in regulation though. Luckily for the Caps, there is no 3v3 OT in the playoffs or else they’d be f***ed.

 

[Taluss]

seems like what marek is insinuating is kravtsov is the best piece with a lesser former 1st rounder hence not moving the needle. If NYR steps up in this scenario, I'd imagine it wouldn't be a prospect better than Kravtsov in addition to kravtsov.

If that's the case I dont get what Yotes are doing rn. Makes no sense to trade him for that low of value