Confirmed Buy-Out [ARI] Antoine Vermette

[varano]

Perhaps Chayka has a number he can spend this year, in real dollars, on NHL player salaries. Perhaps every penny he saves is a penny he can spend over next season's NHL player budget. This isn't the year everything comes together for the Coyotes. Why not go big next Summer?

Why does it have to be like that?? Why not spend money like a regular NHL team instead of buying out guys in their last year to save a couple bucks and slot in an ELC in his place. Vermette much like doan can provide leadership

 

[Gyfu]

I hope habs sign him

If we can get rid of desharnais ok, but for now i don't think we need him really, and it's not cause i don't like him but i'd rather give a chance to the kids

 

[Daggerinaround]

Thoughts

Without any more acquisitions looks like 3 rookies right now. Strome, Dvo, Fischer...?

If you want to include the "young" talent, 7 forwards under 25.

Domi - Hanzal - Duclair
McGinn - Strome - Doan
Reider - Dvo - Fischer
Martinook - Richardson - White

I think its moved a little.
Domi , Strome duke
Reider anzal. Fish

 

[Karl Eriksson]

Don't know if this would be considered as an upgrade over DD.

Would be nice to see Vermette brought in if only to stop the whining about how therein plays DD 4 mins too much per game.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

He and Hudler should sign with the Hawks

 

[AZviaNJ]

I think its moved a little.
Domi , Strome duke
Reider anzal. Fish

No chance Tip puts Strome between Domi & Duclair...at least not this upcoming year. When the Killer D's are together Hanzal (or another vet C added) will be between them.

 

[Avenger*]

Chicago needs to throw 600K at him, 600K at Hudler and get Vesey. Bring that cup back home to where it belongs!

Because that's realistic...

 

[OutsideLookingIn]

Why does it have to be like that?? Why not spend money like a regular NHL team instead of buying out guys in their last year to save a couple bucks and slot in an ELC in his place. Vermette much like doan can provide leadership

Why do you care?

If your not a fan, just root for Toronto. Is Toronto doing it right by trading guys like Kessel and retaining salary?

Not every team is required to follow the same path. Maybe it works or maybe it doesn't.

Once again, why do you care?

 

[Blackhawks]

Because that's realistic...

How much more ridiculous do I need to be for you to realize it was sarcasm?

 

[Seedling]

Seems odd for a guy who they wanted back and wanted to go back. Something else is going on here I suspect. What that is, I have no idea?

 

[Jakey53]

Seems odd for a guy who they wanted back and wanted to go back. Something else is going on here I suspect. What that is, I have no idea?

Different GM.

 

[rt]

Seems odd for a guy who they wanted back and wanted to go back. Something else is going on here I suspect. What that is, I have no idea?

I can help:

Tanguay isn't returninig and Vermette won't be getting Top Two PP time this season.

Vermette had 21 EV pts in 76gp last year = 0.28EVppg

58gp 24ps without Tanguay = .41ppg
18gp 14pts with Tanguay = .78ppg

Vermette with Tanguay:

184:08 time played

Goals for per 60 3.91
Goals against per 60 0.98

Vermette without Tanguay:

735:20 time played

Goals for per 60 1.71
Goals against per 60 3.18

Without Tanguay, and without significant PP time, Vermette was headed for a cliff. Without late season chemistry with Tanguay and top PP minutes, Vermette would've likely been a 25pt player last season. Now he's a year older.

They removed him while they still could. Otherwise they'd be paying 100% of his salary for him to play for the AHL affiliate in Tucson. Instead they only have to pay 66% of his salary and he gets to sell his wares to another NHL team.

This is better for the club and better for the player.

Very, very interesting:

Individual penalty differential isn’t exactly a statistic that’s regularly used, but can certainly help a team determine whether a player is tangibly affecting overall ability to get through a game without playing shorthanded.

Players with positive penalty differentials draw more penalties than they take, and negative differentials are the opposite.

Last season, Vermette finished the year with six individual penalties drawn… but with 25 individual penalties taken.

Per Corsica Hockey, that was good for a minus-19 differential at even strength, worst on the team by a full five penalities (defenseman Connor Murphy was the second worst, with a minus-14). Even controversial Coyotes forwards like Shane Doan and Martin Hanzal, both of whom are no stranger to the penalty box, did a better job of balancing out their transgressions with power play opportunities provided.

For Vermette, there wasn’t exactly a preconceived notion that he was drawing penalties for the team. If anything, there was a sense of frustration surrounding his play because of his time spent in the box – but where some players only seem to spend a disproportionate amount of time in the box, Vermette actually did.

That, combined with his poor possession play, certainly helps explain why the team was willing to shell out money just so he wouldn’t play next year.

http://www.todaysslapshot.com/nhl-w...toine-vermette-buyout-necessary-evil-arizona/


Cliff's? : he's going to be awful without choice PP mins and Alex Tanguay. He's also a penalty taking machine that never draws any. He's a net negative.

 

[NobleSix]

Don't know if this would be considered as an upgrade over DD.

DD is terrible. It would be an upgrade without a doubt.

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

Shouldn't they wait to see how Dvorak and Strome look in camp before trying to get rid of him?

 

[rt]

Shouldn't they wait to see how Dvorak and Strome look in camp before trying to get rid of him?

Sure. Unless they feel his presence on ice actively hurts the team. Like what the numbers assert in my post above.

 

[mouser]

Shouldn't they wait to see how Dvorak and Strome look in camp before trying to get rid of him?

Vermette's NMC could make him untradeable by that point if he got beat out by the youngsters.

 

[RemoAZ]

Why does it have to be like that?? Why not spend money like a regular NHL team instead of buying out guys in their last year to save a couple bucks and slot in an ELC in his place. Vermette much like doan can provide leadership

This isn't about money. It's about TALENT. This team is better today and in the future with Strome and Dvorak getting NHL time rather than the minutes Vermette would have burned. Macinnis was impressive in rookie camp and Dauphin and Gaudet opened some eyes in there short looks last season. That's a lot of young center talent pushing for roster spots. The future starts now. I would imagine this decision came down to moving Richardson or Vermette and our new GM likes Richardson's stats a lot more.

 

[Gains]

I wish we could have traded DD for him, He earns 250k less than Vermette. Zona gets a cheaper buyout and we upgrade our 3C.

 

[aufheben]

Why does it have to be like that?? Why not spend money like a regular NHL team instead of buying out guys in their last year to save a couple bucks and slot in an ELC in his place. Vermette much like doan can provide leadership

He literally just told you why.

 

[Avenger*]

How much more ridiculous do I need to be for you to realize it was sarcasm?

With the amount of nonsense spewed on this board where the poster is actually serious, "sarsasm" with no further indication of such is not clearly obvious.

You should know that by now.

 

[thewookie1]

Chicago needs to be on this like bees on honey

 

[Seanaconda]

It is a joke! Getting rid of a guy for nothing because young kids might out play him? Why not make them prove it in camp and the pre season?


And the Coyotes are helping cap circumvention with the Pronger and Datsyuk deals. I'm sure the other teams in the league wouldn't be able to do that because they aren't partially owned and being bailed out by the league. If the NHL started punishing the Coyotes they would probably just fold or relocate Hahahaha

Why wouldn't other teams be able to do it?? If you're able to trade injured players it's free game and if you have cap space you're not using to trade for an asset why not do it?

The cap would only effect Philly before the first day of the season anyways. Datsyuks they helped Detroit more but moved up to pick the guy they wanted just to take on cap for a year.

And I'll believe these coyote fans saying they would be at the cap floor anyways. But I don't think it should matter either way.

They have the ability to use their cap space as an asset smart to use it. Toronto did alot of this their tank year too just using more real money.

 

[Palmer2Fitz]

Even if the coyotes needed the Pronger and Dats contract to get to the cap floor, who cares? Even though it's not the case they wouldn't be breaking any rules. They have an insane amount of ELC's on their roster and a but load more that could be ready in the next year or two. They have to manage their money properly because most of those young guys will cost a lot more when their ELC is up plus OEL will be due for a monster contract soon. Are the haters on here suggesting that we should go and dump a bunch of money on terrible contract or two that will force us to lose a couple young studs in the near future? Chayka may be inexperienced but he is an extremely bright young man and I support every decision he has made so far.

 

[Mr Positive]

Even if the coyotes needed the Pronger and Dats contract to get to the cap floor, who cares? Even though it's not the case they wouldn't be breaking any rules. They have an insane amount of ELC's on their roster and a but load more that could be ready in the next year or two. They have to manage their money properly because most of those young guys will cost a lot more when their ELC is up plus OEL will be due for a monster contract soon. Are the haters on here suggesting that we should go and dump a bunch of money on terrible contract or two that will force us to lose a couple young studs in the near future? Chayka may be inexperienced but he is an extremely bright young man and I support every decision he has made so far.

Plus, the only reason there is a cap floor is to guarantee that players get money. It was a concession to the players union. If Detroit sends Datsyuk to Arizona, that means that Detroit can spend more money on players, and the players don't care if it's Detroit doing it or Arizona

 

[Bleedred]

He's still a 40-ish point player.

I haven't read this thread much or really seen why they bought him out. I'm guessing he was more of a Maloney guy and with Maloney outta there and a new regime in, they wanted to go in a different direction.