Confirmed Buy-Out [ARI] Antoine Vermette

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He'd be a great addition to pretty much any teams' bottom-six, especially those in a position to contend. The Hawks would look much better having Vermette-Kruger as their bottom-six centers than they would Kruger-Hinostroza/Baun/Carrick, for example. The Penguins having Vermette replace Cullen in that fourth line spot would be great for them as well to have Crosby-Malkin-Bonino-Vermette down the middle.

I'd take him in Montreal if we could move Desharnais, Flynn or Byron.
 

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Ya I do know that. They should have to get to the cap floor legally like every other team. But nope Arizona gets special treatment from the league since they are unable to sustain their team LOL.

No rule has been broken.
 

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Ya I do know that. They should have to get to the cap floor legally like every other team. But nope Arizona gets special treatment from the league since they are unable to sustain their team LOL.

Special treatment? Literally any team in the league could have done what Arizona has done. There is nothing at all illegal about it (the worst you could call it is a loophole, but it's the CBA that the league and NHLPA agreed upon). It's just that the other teams decided to throw stupid money at scrub players instead, and we've all seen how THAT strategy has played out for many franchises lately.

But I guess it's easy to be upset if, say, your owner threw $5.5M and an NTC at David Clarkson and you had to fanboy up and rationalize it as some sort of asset rather than a league-wide joke. :sarcasm:
 

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Ya I do know that. They should have to get to the cap floor legally like every other team. But nope Arizona gets special treatment from the league since they are unable to sustain their team LOL.

this is an urban legend at this point. aZ will be above the cap floor despite the dead cap space as they have every single season.
 

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i dont get it, they took on Datsyuk's contract.. that means they most likely wont be contending this upcoming season.

Vermette has 1 year left and he might have returned something at the deadline, so why would he buy him out? I guess they wanna make room for 1 of their youngsters but why wouldnt they just move Richardson (or someon else)?

To be fair, Vermette having a NTC controlling his own destiny would've made him a potentially very tough commodity to ship out, even at the deadline. Could be that when approached about the idea of moving at the deadline (or now even), he expressed no real interest in it.

This way, Vermette gets to effectively control his own destiny by chosing his landing spot. Coyotes don't have to deal with trying to accommodate a deal for a player who may only have a 1 or even 0 team list at the deadline.

He obviously liked playing in Arizona - enough to pull the whole trade and re-sign trick. Maybe this was the only way to actually move him?

Though why moving him is even necessary, is the part i struggle a bit with. He can still play and it was only 1 year left on the deal. Presumably a money thing.
 

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Horrible move by a horrible team and general manager

This.

Arizona constantly gets bailed out by the league, they aquire contracts like Pronger and Datsyuk then they go and make a 27 year old advanced stats geek their GM after firing Maloney.

What a joke

It is a joke! Getting rid of a guy for nothing because young kids might out play him? Why not make them prove it in camp and the pre season?


And the Coyotes are helping cap circumvention with the Pronger and Datsyuk deals. I'm sure the other teams in the league wouldn't be able to do that because they aren't partially owned and being bailed out by the league. If the NHL started punishing the Coyotes they would probably just fold or relocate Hahahaha

It sounds like you've rushed to judgement without having much information.

Let me help you with that:

Tanguay isn't returninig and Vermette won't be getting Top Two PP time this season.

Vermette had 21 EV pts in 76gp last year = 0.28EVppg

58gp 24ps without Tanguay = .41ppg
18gp 14pts with Tanguay = .78ppg

Vermette with Tanguay:

184:08 time played

Goals for per 60 3.91
Goals against per 60 0.98

Vermette without Tanguay:

735:20 time played

Goals for per 60 1.71
Goals against per 60 3.18

Without Tanguay, and without significant PP time, Vermette was headed for a cliff. Without late season chemistry with Tanguay and top PP minutes, Vermette would've likely been a 25pt player last season. Now he's a year older.

They removed him while they still could. Otherwise they'd be paying 100% of his salary for him to play for the AHL affiliate in Tucson. Instead they only have to pay 66% of his salary and he gets to sell his wares to another NHL team.

This is better for the club and better for the player.
 

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Ya I do know that. They should have to get to the cap floor legally like every other team. But nope Arizona gets special treatment from the league since they are unable to sustain their team LOL.

Or they're in a total rebuild and would like to play a number of players on ELCs, so having these contracts allows them to do that
 

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He would be a good fit on the Oilers. We could use a centre who wins draws, also lets us put Drai on the 2nd line with Nuge.

Chia should be all over this.
 

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Special treatment? Literally any team in the league could have done what Arizona has done. There is nothing at all illegal about it (the worst you could call it is a loophole, but it's the CBA that the league and NHLPA agreed upon). It's just that the other teams decided to throw stupid money at scrub players instead, and we've all seen how THAT strategy has played out for many franchises lately.

But I guess it's easy to be upset if, say, your owner threw $5.5M and an NTC at David Clarkson and you had to fanboy up and rationalize it as some sort of asset rather than a league-wide joke. :sarcasm:

I'm not a leafs fan but nice try :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
 

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It is a joke! Getting rid of a guy for nothing because young kids might out play him? Why not make them prove it in camp and the pre season?


And the Coyotes are helping cap circumvention with the Pronger and Datsyuk deals. I'm sure the other teams in the league wouldn't be able to do that because they aren't partially owned and being bailed out by the league. If the NHL started punishing the Coyotes they would probably just fold or relocate Hahahaha :laugh:
What do this have to do with anything? :nopity:
 

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Ya I do know that. They should have to get to the cap floor legally like every other team. But nope Arizona gets special treatment from the league since they are unable to sustain their team LOL.

It's the same rules for every team.

Savard was in Florida last year and is in NJ this year.
 

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It is a joke! Getting rid of a guy for nothing because young kids might out play him? Why not make them prove it in camp and the pre season?


And the Coyotes are helping cap circumvention with the Pronger and Datsyuk deals. I'm sure the other teams in the league wouldn't be able to do that because they aren't partially owned and being bailed out by the league. If the NHL started punishing the Coyotes they would probably just fold or relocate Hahahaha :laugh:

Are you even sure what you're spouting off about?
 

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this is an urban legend at this point. AZ will be above the cap floor despite the dead cap space as they have every single season.

Shhhh. Get out of here with your "truth" - no one wants to hear it...:sarcasm:

They removed him while they still could. Otherwise they'd be paying 100% of his salary for him to play for the AHL affiliate in Tucson. Instead they only have to pay 66% of his salary and he gets to sell his wares to another NHL team.

This is better for the club and better for the player.

Not with his NMC they wouldn't. That's why I think he DID get bought out - because they couldn't send him down if he struggled this season. I'm not ready to judge this move yet until I see what Chayka does next.
 

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It sounds like you've rushed to judgement without having much information.

Let me help you with that:

Tanguay isn't returninig and Vermette won't be getting Top Two PP time this season.

Vermette had 21 EV pts in 76gp last year = 0.28EVppg

58gp 24ps without Tanguay = .41ppg
18gp 14pts with Tanguay = .78ppg



Without Tanguay, and without significant PP time, Vermette was headed for a cliff. Without late season chemistry with Tanguay and top PP minutes, Vermette would've likely been a 25pt player last season. Now he's a year older.

They removed him while they still could. Otherwise they'd be paying 100% of his salary for him to play for the AHL affiliate in Tucson. Instead they only have to pay 66% of his salary and he gets to sell his wares to another NHL team.

This is better for the club and better for the player.

Say whatever you want. Buying out a guy with one year left on his contract who came back to a horrible team by choice on a two-year deal is horrible judgment and matches the coyotes organization to a T.
 

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What do this have to do with anything? :nopity:

It has to do with the entire coyotes organization having bad judgment, and making the NHL look like a joke. Everything they do is a joke. The structure of the latest doan deal. The buyout of vermette. Taking on multiple retired contracts instead of properly icing a team.The yotes fans just wave the CBA in the air but At what point will the NHL finally say no to this awful organization?
 

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It is a joke! Getting rid of a guy for nothing because young kids might out play him? Why not make them prove it in camp and the pre season?


And the Coyotes are helping cap circumvention with the Pronger and Datsyuk deals. I'm sure the other teams in the league wouldn't be able to do that because they aren't partially owned and being bailed out by the league. If the NHL started punishing the Coyotes they would probably just fold or relocate Hahahaha :laugh:

Or maybe... just MAYBE it's because he isn't worth $3.75m and it's not a wise financial move for Arizona (say, compared to a Toronto, Montreal or NYR) to bury that salary in the minors, still have to actually pay it and only get minimal savings on the cap.
 

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It has to do with the entire coyotes organization having bad judgment, and making the NHL look like a joke. Everything they do is a joke. The structure of the latest doan deal. The buyout of vermette. Taking on multiple retired contracts instead of properly icing a team.The yotes fans just wave the CBA in the air but At what point will the NHL finally say no to this awful organization?

Man, if we can make sure Sarcasm keeps his username and this guy changes his name to Irony we could have a serious tag team going on here.
 

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It has to do with the entire coyotes organization having bad judgment, and making the NHL look like a joke. Everything they do is a joke. The structure of the latest doan deal. The buyout of vermette. Taking on multiple retired contracts instead of properly icing a team.The yotes fans just wave the CBA in the air but At what point will the NHL finally say no to this awful organization?

Is it okay when the Leafs do it, though? *coughHortoncough*
 

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Will be bought out

James Mirtle ‏@mirtle 2m2 minutes ago
Coyotes put Antoine Vermette on waivers. Will be bought out.

Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC 3m3 minutes ago
Something odd today. ARIZ has put Antoine Vermette on waivers for purpose of buyout.

Your username sums up this buyout for me
 

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It has to do with the entire coyotes organization having bad judgment, and making the NHL look like a joke. Everything they do is a joke. The structure of the latest doan deal. The buyout of vermette. Taking on multiple retired contracts instead of properly icing a team.The yotes fans just wave the CBA in the air but At what point will the NHL finally say no to this awful organization?

What did you think of Goligoski trade? Or their top rated prospect group? That a joke to you?

How has AZ violated CBA? And is it worse than what other franchises have done? How does Horton trade look in your world? Or Savard trade(s)? What's happening with Lupul or has Toronto found a way to void his deal just yet? But AZ is everything that's wrong with the CBA, right?

AZ will be above cap floor without Datsyuk or Pronger deals. They were above floor last year as well without Pronger as well. Do a little research.
 

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It has to do with the entire coyotes organization having bad judgment, and making the NHL look like a joke. Everything they do is a joke. The structure of the latest doan deal. The buyout of vermette. Taking on multiple retired contracts instead of properly icing a team.The yotes fans just wave the CBA in the air but At what point will the NHL finally say no to this awful organization?

And yet Arizona will be icing a better team now and in the future than the likes of Toronto who blatantly tanked for Matthews.
 
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