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Confirmed Buy-Out [ARI] Antoine Vermette

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Group Chat Legend said:
And yet Arizona will be icing a better team now and in the future than the likes of Toronto who blatantly tanked for Matthews.
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If you want to speculate on that then be my guest. You have no way of saying that. But just so we're on the same page.... Losing thirty million dollars a year while barely reaching the Cap floor up until this year and drafting in the top 5 last year is tanking by inferiority
 
mcpw said:
That's because you chose to pay 16.33M for Lupul, Robidas, Clarkson, Gleason, and the Kessel retention.
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What exactly are you complaining about?
You're complaining that they resigned a guy who was their top line left winger at the time and is at the end of his career?

Or you're complaining about robidas who they signed for depth?

What are you complaining about? Because truthfully it sounds like you're complaining about the type of transactions that every organization goes through? Kind of like the coyotes regret signing Mike Smith but don't buy him out because he's massively overpaid so they get to reach the cap floor lol
 
varano said:
If you want to speculate on that then be my guest. You have no way of saying that. But just so we're on the same page.... Losing thirty million dollars a year while barely reaching the Cap floor up until this year and drafting in the top 5 last year is tanking by inferiority
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So toronto was tanking by incompetence then?
 
Group Chat Legend said:
And yet Arizona will be icing a better team now and in the future than the likes of Toronto who blatantly tanked for Matthews.
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I'm not a leafs fan I don't like the leafs really and they've obviously been bad for a while.



But the coyotes are literally marginally better then the leafs in terms post lockout success, they've been a lottery team aside from a pair of 1st round exits to detroit and a fluke WCF run.


Pheonix can never retain their top talent due to their stingy owners and location, no offense to the people of AZ, maybe it's a nice place to live but I doubt many nhl players dream of playing in the desert, and getting lowballed to do so.

Toronto media scares alot of players off but IF they manage to rebuild, good players will go there.
 
hbk said:
What did you think of Goligoski trade? Or their top rated prospect group? That a joke to you?

How has AZ violated CBA? And is it worse than what other franchises have done? How does Horton trade look in your world? Or Savard trade(s)? What's happening with Lupul or has Toronto found a way to void his deal just yet? But AZ is everything that's wrong with the CBA, right?

AZ will be above cap floor without Datsyuk or Pronger deals. They were above floor last year as well without Pronger as well. Do a little research.
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You just proved again what I said. Coyotes fans are so proud that they get to mess around with the CBA

I don't understand why you're so proud of your prospect group? Its been gained by inferiority and to be honest a GM who forced water through a rock to make good trades that the organization spit on by canning him.

Again, the leafs are not using the Horton deal to poke their head above water like the yotes are but if you need to keep looking at Horton to justify these types of organizational moves, then just go ahead...
 
varano said:
What exactly are you complaining about?
You're complaining that they resigned a guy who was their top line left winger at the time and is at the end of his career?

Or you're complaining about robidas who they signed for depth?

What are you complaining about? Because truthfully it sounds like you're complaining about the type of transactions that every organization goes through? Kind of like the coyotes regret signing Mike Smith but don't buy him out because he's massively overpaid so they get to reach the cap floor lol
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:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
Lupul first line winger

I'm complaining about Leafs fans teaching other franchises' fans about cap management.
 
snipes said:
He would be a good fit on the Oilers. We could use a centre who wins draws, also lets us put Drai on the 2nd line with Nuge.

Chia should be all over this.
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It also opens option for this year . If he does well on the 3rd line and Draisaitl is ready to be that 2nd line C we can trade RNH once his value goes up . Lets us add another D if needed . If the team is doing well maybe just stand pat but the options are there
 
Group Chat Legend said:
And yet Arizona will be icing a better team now and in the future than the likes of Toronto who blatantly tanked for Matthews.
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I definitely agree that ARI has the brighter immediate future.

But "blatantly tanked for Matthews?" As if the Leafs could've even been a .500 team if they tried their hearts out. What a disgusting roster.
 
varano said:
You just proved again what I said. Coyotes fans are so proud that they get to mess around with the CBA

I don't understand why you're so proud of your prospect group? Its been gained by inferiority and to be honest a GM who forced water through a rock to make good trades that the organization spit on by canning him.

Again, the leafs are not using the Horton deal to poke their head above water like the yotes are but if you need to keep looking at Horton to justify these types of organizational moves, then just go ahead...
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I don't see any difference in AZ trading for dead cap space that org wasn't going to use and Toronto paying 20% of Kessel's salary to play on another team. None.

do the math already. There are literally websites dedicated to dispel fiction like this. aZ has never been below cap even when you exclude the Pronger contract. And they aren't this year when you exclude datsyuk's deal as well. Never happened so please stop stating this as a fact.

AZ is in a rebuild so they were never going to be a cap ceiling team breaking in 6-8 first and second year players. Regardless though they are above the floor.
 
varano said:
Say whatever you want. Buying out a guy with one year left on his contract who came back to a horrible team by choice on a two-year deal is horrible judgment and matches the coyotes organization to a T.
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Did you fail to read it or fail to understand it? If you feel you accomplished to both read and understand those points, why not address them?
 
varano said:
He was coming off a PPG season with 25 goals. Whens the last time a coyote player did that?
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2012-13 Kunitz? On pace to greatness? Might even have bought him a place on the olympic team.

(why Coyote player? I'm not a Coyotes fan)
 
Very, very interesting:

Individual penalty differential isn’t exactly a statistic that’s regularly used, but can certainly help a team determine whether a player is tangibly affecting overall ability to get through a game without playing shorthanded.

Players with positive penalty differentials draw more penalties than they take, and negative differentials are the opposite.

Last season, Vermette finished the year with six individual penalties drawn… but with 25 individual penalties taken.

Per Corsica Hockey, that was good for a minus-19 differential at even strength, worst on the team by a full five penalities (defenseman Connor Murphy was the second worst, with a minus-14). Even controversial Coyotes forwards like Shane Doan and Martin Hanzal, both of whom are no stranger to the penalty box, did a better job of balancing out their transgressions with power play opportunities provided.

For Vermette, there wasn’t exactly a preconceived notion that he was drawing penalties for the team. If anything, there was a sense of frustration surrounding his play because of his time spent in the box – but where some players only seem to spend a disproportionate amount of time in the box, Vermette actually did.

That, combined with his poor possession play, certainly helps explain why the team was willing to shell out money just so he wouldn’t play next year.
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http://www.todaysslapshot.com/nhl-w...toine-vermette-buyout-necessary-evil-arizona/
 
Given the money he was on, his poor possession numbers, his awful on-ice discipline, and generally negative impact on other players performances, I can see why the Coyotes wanted to get rid of him. But with one more year, was the buy out worth it?
 
Anomie2029 said:
Given the money he was on, his poor possession numbers, his awful on-ice discipline, and generally negative impact on other players performances, I can see why the Coyotes wanted to get rid of him. But with one more year, was the buy out worth it?
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Perhaps Chayka has a number he can spend this year, in real dollars, on NHL player salaries. Perhaps every penny he saves is a penny he can spend over next season's NHL player budget. This isn't the year everything comes together for the Coyotes. Why not go big next Summer?
 
Chicago needs to throw 600K at him, 600K at Hudler and get Vesey. Bring that cup back home to where it belongs!
 
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