GDT: Are You Ready to Rummmm...er, Draaaaaaft!

[Bench]

Do engines normally have brakes? Oh wait... different type of engine. Train vs internal combustion.

My hype train is powered by the hot steam of my spicy takes.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

My hype train is powered by the hot steam of my spicy takes.

Mine is powered by my sheer lack of knowledge. My train moves because I have no reason to think that it can't. Kind of like how Wile E. Coyote doesn't fall off a cliff until he looks down. If he never looked down, he'd never fall.

E: Can't be disappointed about who we pick if I don't put any work into researching the prospect

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Nowhere close. Did you just start following this draft class yesterday? The difference in perceived rankings is largely a function of position, not expected ceiling. If Boldy for example played center you can bet your ass you would see his name higher on public draft lists. Relative to his ceiling he is a super quality option at 9 or 10. This class has a strong top 10 or 11. If you aren't willing to watch the prospects you won't know where the talent falls off.

Absolutely not. Been following it for over a year. Their is a talent drop from the guys that go 5/6 vs 10/11.

They're not all exactly equal.

Dropping down is a dumb idea as even if you think the drop is marginal, we MUST be on the right side of that margin.

You wanna add picks okay great. Sell our cap space for one.

You want to add another late 1st kkay great. Pckg some of our picks to move up

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Maybe. Always a risk, though. If you think anyone will take your guy, even a remote chance, I think you just hold firm - even if it's not a "value" pick according to mocks.

Yep, like the Lions with the Ragnow pick last year. Had they tried to move back even one spot because "a center isn't a good pick at #20", they'd have lost their guy to Cincinnati. If you want a guy and he's mocked anywhere close to your pick, you take him. I mean you wouldn't take Seider at 6 because he's not slated for another dozen picks nor would you have taken Filip Hronek at 16 because he lasted till like 53. But if a guy is expected to be taken by 8-12 and you're holding 6... you don't play that game.

 

[PullHard]

My hype train is fueled by hatred and fear, similar to how Paul Holmgren operated as Flyers GM

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Absolutely not. Been following it for over a year. Their is a talent drop from the guys that go 5/6 vs 10/11.

They're not all exactly equal.

Dropping down is a dumb idea as even if you think the drop is marginal, we MUST be on the right side of that margin.

You wanna add picks okay great. Sell our cap space for one.

You want to add another late 1st kkay great. Pckg some of our picks to move up

Who is going 5/6 and who is going 10/11? I need to know who you have in mind exactly. For the record I am not saying we should trade back as a result of this. If we do trade back I don't think it will be for a consensus top 11 pick anyways.

 

[Bench]

My hype train is fueled by hatred and fear, similar to how Paul Holmgren operated as Flyers GM

On the upside, you get to hang out with Bryz now. On the downside, he's going to talk nonsense about the universe like Carl Sagan on a bad acid trip.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Who is going 5/6 and who is going 10/11? I need to know who you have in mind exactly. For the record I am not saying we should trade back as a result of this. If we do trade back I don't think it will be for a consensus top 11 pick anyways.

5/6= dach/zegras

10/11= krebs/newhook

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

On the upside, you get to hang out with Bryz now. On the downside, he's going to talk nonsense about the universe like Carl Sagan on a bad acid trip.

Wait, that's a downside? I love Bryz.

 

[jkutswings]

Would anyone be willing to trade 6OA for Tyson Barrie? 27 year old 50 point defenseman? Does that seem like an over- or underpayment?

I could see it as part of multiple moves. As in, trade down from 6 to the 9-12 range for more assets, then deal that pick for Barrie and get back into the 1st round with the extra picks you've accumulated.

But I think I still like the centers up top too much to do that.

 

[izlez]

It's the same thing every year in every sport with every fan base. Everyone wants to trade down.

But no one wants to trade up. Everyone 5-12 is equal, so we should trade down. If that's true, why would anyone want to trade up?

If that's not true and teams identify guys that are better, we are equally as likely to have identified someone as being better and we don't have to give up assets to get that guy.


It could happen. It probably wont. But it sure don't make sense from the logic we're using.

 

[Mister Ed]

Took this post off the main board, this is fun to see. (Hudler and Veleno turned out as pretty good picks) :

Year (pick): Name (TSN Rank) - drafted higher than expected
2001 (13): Ales Hemsky (unranked)
2002 (11): Keith Ballard (38)
2002 (15): Jesse Niinimaki (unranked)
2003 (11): Jeff Carter (22)
2003 (14): Brent Seabrook (27)
2004 (5): Blake Wheeler (unranked)
2005 (8): Devin Setoguchi (26)
2005 (14): Sasha Pokulok (unranked)
2006 (14): Michael Grabner (hm)
2007 (4): Thomas Hickey (13)
2007 (15): Alex Plante (32)
2010 (14): Jaden Schwartz (29)
2013 (13): Josh Morrissey (28)
2015 (14): Jake DeBrusk (28)
2015 (15): Zachary Senyshyn (40)
2017 (7): Lias Andersson (13)
2017 (15): Erik Brannstrom (29)

Year (pick): Name (TSN Rank) - drafted lower than expected
2001 (47): Alexander Polushin (16)
2002 (21): Anton Babchuk (10)
2002 (58): Jiri Hudler (16)
2003 (22): Marc-Antoine Pouliot (13)
2004 (17): Marek Schwarz (6)
2004 (25): Rob Schremp (15)
2007 (17): Alexei Cherepanov (5)
2007 (20): Angelo Esposito (8)
2007 (24): Mikael Backlund (15)
2007 (28): Nicholas Petrecki (14)
2012 (18): Teuvo Teravainen (7)
2012 (22): Olli Maatta (10)
2013 (24): Hunter Shinkaruk (14)
2015 (16): Mathew Barzal (9)
2015 (24): Travis Konecny (15)
2017 (24): Kristian Vesalainen (15)
2018 (30): Joe Veleno (14)

 

[Bench]

It's the same thing every year in every sport with every fan base. Everyone wants to trade down.

There's this dream of getting the pick you want AND MORE. And it can happen. Sometimes. But almost always I subscribe that you lock in on your guy and ensure that happens before taking another stab later in the draft. Trading back more than a spot or two only makes sense in the later 1st round, in my opinion.

At #6 I might be willing to swap with #7 or 8, depending on the read for their picks. Sort of like how LA appears willing to move from #5 to 6 should a certain player be available for the Wings. It's basically an insurance plan from Detroit to say, "We know you don't love the guy like we do, but in order to ensure 100% you don't actually take him and anyone else that might be comin' for your pick, we'll sweeten the pot OK? OK."

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Wow on Niinimaki

 

[Bench]

Took this post off the main board, this is fun to see. (Hudler and Veleno turned out as pretty good picks) :

This is really interesting. At a glance, it looks like "reaching" turned out a lot better than taking the "fallers."

Which is funny, because when draft grades come out after a draft, it usually favors teams who picked the most fallers and penalizes the teams that took the most guys ahead of their projected spot. In short, we need to remember not to care about draft grades.

As an aside, how the hell was Wheeler unranked by TSN? Asleep at the wheel there, holy cow.

 

[drw02]

Don't like that rumor, Seider at 10 would be brutal imo. Not sure how credible this guy is though

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Wait, that's a downside? I love Bryz.

Plus his dog is like a smoking hot chick, sounds like a blast.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Don't like that rumor, Seider at 10 would be brutal imo. Not sure how credible this guy is though

I don't buy it. I'm thinking this is Stevie trying to drum up interest as a backup plan. I'm sure that they do like Seider, but I doubt how hard they are looking to move down. I bet it's something like give us Virtanen or similar prospect instead of 40OA.

 

[drw02]

I don't buy it. I'm thinking this is Stevie trying to drum up interest as a backup plan. I'm sure that they do like Seider, but I doubt how hard they are looking to move down. I bet it's something like give us Virtanen or similar prospect instead of 40OA.

Yeah seems fishy, Yzerman has been preaching speed and skill since he took over, to then take a lumberjack D-man in the 1st over the handful of high end F's they can choose from at 6 would be downright strange

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Don't like that rumor, Seider at 10 would be brutal imo. Not sure how credible this guy is though

That guy has "German Andreas Lilja" written all over him.

 

[Bench]

Yzerman looking so obscured by smokescreen, you'd swear he was Littlefinger.

 

[WesNichols14]

Don't like that rumor, Seider at 10 would be brutal imo. Not sure how credible this guy is though

He's a writer for the Athletic and the Editor in Chief for eliteprospects.com. I would consider him reliable, however he could be getting worked.

 

[Marky9er]

That guy has "German Andreas Lilja" written all over him.

What is your take on Kolyachonok? Guy wouldn't make a forward pass in the prospect game, but I see people high on him even late first mentions...

Belarusian Karl Alzner?

 

[jkutswings]

https://www.tsn.ca/trade-bait-avalanche-listening-to-offers-for-barrie-1.1326529

Let's say it goes:
Hughes
Kakko
Turcotte
Byram

And Colorado deals Barrie to Vancouver for #10.

Do the Avs get greedy, and have a guy they'd love at 6 to swing another deal with Detroit?

I'd prefer to stay put and take one of Dach/Zegras/Cozens. But there's definitely some juicy storylines brewing...

 

[DInTheB]