Are the Oilers a top 5 contender next season with Jack Campbell?

[ManofSteel55]

Ironic that you're literally describing Campbell's season last year without even realizing it...

He was amazing, and then God awful. And then not great in the playoffs.

I'm not sure if its ironic, because it was very different. In Edmonton, it was game by game. Regardless of which guy we had in the net, we didn't know if we were getting a show stealing performance or if we were getting a guy who couldn't stop a beach ball. Every night. Campbell isn't a superstar and we know that, but I don't think we will get the types of swings in play that we saw in Edmonton from him last year. I've never quite seen anything like last years goaltending insanity in between the pipes in Edmonton.

 

[Team_Spirit]

The best part about delusional Oilers fans (outside of them thinking the WCF was a very close series) is them believing that Campbell is an upgrade on Smith/Koskinen. Holland paid double for a goalie that is, at best, a lateral move.

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The Maple leafs had the worst goaltending of any playoff team. And Campbell was a huge part of that.

Who dat at no2?

Damnnn Lou set up the Leafs nicely but Doobas had to ruin it with his greyhounds

 

[ManofSteel55]

I didn't make about the Leafs, you and your fellow Oilers fans did because you can't handle something a person from Toronto said. So instead of discussing the topic you discuss their team.

Ceci and Barrie would not make any other team as a regular. If there is an injury to a bottom pair guy, maybe you can throw Barrie in. At least he can skate/pass somewhat decent. Ceci couldn't play in Ottawa when their team was a dumpster fire, came to Toronto and was just as bad. Both of those guys got the boot out of TO for being so horrible. I mean if you guys are happy with them then sure, but no one else thinks that D core is even remotely close to being average, forget about good.

Also pretty sure everyone was laughing at Ceci/Barrie and us for icing them when we had them here but sure.

Some people really living in a fantasy world, still riding the high off winning the Pacific. Playoff record in the last 5 years against non-Pacific teams is 1-11, the sole win came against the mighty Chicago Blackhawks. There's a reason why despite being the best team in the Pacific, the Oilers get annihilated once they play a non-Pacific team. Level of competition in other divisions vs the Pacific is not even remotely close to being the same. The sooner Oilers fans recognize this, the sooner they'll see what the problem is with their team and why they're not considered top 5. No depth and one of the worst blue lines in the league.

This is the type of stupid statement that makes people stop taking you seriously. There is no metric out there that shows Ceci as a replacement level player. None. He excelled in every role given last year, and was far better defensively than the defensive stud he was brought in to replace (Larsson).
Barrie started the season struggling under our lack of system. He was still putting up points regularly, but was best on the bottom pair. As soon as Woodcroft and Manson arrived, that changed. He wasn't a liability at all. He had good positioning, and even made some good defensive plays every now and then. To suggest that he isn't an NHL regular is asinine.

Its apparent that your analysis of these players is based entirely on what you saw them do (and not do) in Toronto half a decade ago. You might want to pay attention to what these players are doing now, as opposed to 4 years ago.

 

[SnipeShowJB11]

You wish

more like dreams every night.

 

[North Cole]

1. A bruised elbow is not the same as a torn hipflexor or a high ankle sprain. Not all injuries are the same and any point to the contrary is pure ignorance.

2. A high ankle sprain is not a "very broad term for the injury sustained". While high ankle sprains have different levels of severity, they are serious injuries. You don't just rub some dirt on one or throw tape on it. Treatment is routinely immobilization in a boot for several weeks initially depending on severity. It's debilitating for every step you take as the actual joint itself and not just the ligaments are involved. Being in icehockey with high skates, it makes it easier to attempt to play through than sports like soccer/football where there is no high ankle support, but its excrutiating still due to the lateral nature of a stride and uneven pressure on the bottom of the skate. Theres a reason why you see players with high ankle sprains miss 4-12 weeks in the regular season.

3. Why are secondary assists okay for offensive defensemen but theyre "inflating" or any less important for a forward? Yet to see justification for this.

4. You've yet to describe why a secondary assist is any less important than the primary.

3) There isn't any justification, it's just hand waving to not have to come up with a rebuttal. I showed the same stats of a bunch of other elite forwards where Drai is right in the same range and instead what got focused on was the outlier McDavid which was irrelevant to the original comments. No reason to deal with it any further, they're just arguing in bad faith because the original point was wrong but they can't admit that.

 

[Notsince67]

Leading goal scores in last years pay offs
Mackinnon 13
Kane 13

Hardly refutes the fact that he is shit defensively

 

[PaulD]

Best team in Canada - Oilers.

Hardly refutes the fact that he is shit defensively

Tavares and Nylander were both minus players last year..... on a team loaded with plus players .
Doesn't mean they were not helping the team.
Nobody said Kane is Brad Marchand.
But he is s hell of a power forward . Speed and skill galore. Tough as nails. Great hands around the net.

Hardly refutes the fact that he is shit defensively

Yes it does.

 

[PaulD]

Who dat at no2?

Damnnn Lou set up the Leafs nicely but Doobas had to ruin it with his greyhounds

Well the Oiler coach might have bragged about "the handshake" after getting eliminated........ has the fans confident for the next season

 

[Maplebeasts]

If you split his season in half his first 25 games he had a .939 save % his next 24 he had a .888

His first half was absolutely elite

Right so he was good until the calendar flipped to December, where he was then way below average the rest of the way including the playoffs. Who knows what's gonna happen when he's playing an actual starters load but last year wasn't exactly good.

 

[MessierII]

Right so he was good until the calendar flipped to December, where he was then way below average the rest of the way including the playoffs. Who knows what's gonna happen when he's playing an actual starters load but last year wasn't exactly good.

He was good in April to finish 7-0-2 .915% 1 shutout. Pretty much struggled January, February then was injured March.

 

[TheOrangeDesk]

If anybody is moving the goal posts in this conversation, it's you.

1. You accuse Draisaitl of not having a serious injury with your claim that "everyone plays through injuries in the playoffs" without elaborating on your statement to offer examples of players that played through debilitating injuries and put up 2PPG while doing so.

2. Then, when it was pointed out that his injury was significant, you claim the extent of his injury was unknown when he, along with many media personnel, CLEARLY came out and stated that he played with a high ankle sprain which is a SIGNIFICANT INJURY.

3. You refuse to listen to arguments that many elite players have a high amount of secondary assists and that records such as Gretzky's, which Draisaitl broke, existed in the first place due to the presence of secondary assists. It was also pointed out that other elite players such as Makar have a high rate of second assists but apparently he's a defencemen so he doesn't count.

4. After stating that Draisaitl "feasted" on second assists, now you say that his goals and total points are irrelevant.

Your arms must be exhausted by now. Just own up and take the freaking L.

this was a brilliant demolition of a poster who constantly spews bullshit. thank you

 

[TheOrangeDesk]

Hardly refutes the fact that he is shit defensively

what about him having these stats:
playoffs:
56% GF
59% xGF
5th best GA/60 on team with guys over 10min per game

 

[SnipeShowJB11]

Hardly refutes the fact that he is shit defensively

I like when people talk about production and goals, then get curb stomped with a fact, their first words are "well x player is sh** defensively" lol. He could have got 30 goals in a playoff run and some Joe Blow would come say , "Well herp derp he is sh** defensively".

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

I didn't make about the Leafs, you and your fellow Oilers fans did because you can't handle something a person from Toronto said. So instead of discussing the topic you discuss their team.

Ceci and Barrie would not make any other team as a regular. If there is an injury to a bottom pair guy, maybe you can throw Barrie in. At least he can skate/pass somewhat decent. Ceci couldn't play in Ottawa when their team was a dumpster fire, came to Toronto and was just as bad. Both of those guys got the boot out of TO for being so horrible. I mean if you guys are happy with them then sure, but no one else thinks that D core is even remotely close to being average, forget about good.

Also pretty sure everyone was laughing at Ceci/Barrie and us for icing them when we had them here but sure.

Some people really living in a fantasy world, still riding the high off winning the Pacific. Playoff record in the last 5 years against non-Pacific teams is 1-11, the sole win came against the mighty Chicago Blackhawks. There's a reason why despite being the best team in the Pacific, the Oilers get annihilated once they play a non-Pacific team. Level of competition in other divisions vs the Pacific is not even remotely close to being the same. The sooner Oilers fans recognize this, the sooner they'll see what the problem is with their team and why they're not considered top 5. No depth and one of the worst blue lines in the league.

Whatever Leafs fan. I stopped taking you seriously when you said Barrie and Ceci wouldn’t crack any other team. You doubled down on the shitastic take and then went with the usual Leafs victim route.

Just take a step back and think: MAYBE those ex Leafs aren’t actually bad on other teams. Shocking development.

You keep bringing up the fact about non Pacific rivals like I give a shit. Only thing that matters is MY team made it to the conference finals, while you’re whining about the refs and how they rigged it against your team.

 

[Fogelhund]

Leafs fan.

Campbell has the talent, to be an elite goalie, and at times, he is.

Campbell also has some durability issues, but his biggest issue are his mental health struggles. He has moments where he, and his games struggles a great deal.



Campbell describes this time as difficult for his mental health and he felt unmotivated to play hockey.[22][23] He said he would "view myself in the mirror as like if I'm a good or bad person based on if I won or lost."[24]

Honestly, I don't know what you are going to get from Campbell. He's 30, 31 in January, are these challenges something he's going to overcome at that age?... he's a very likable guy, someone you want to see succeed. If he has a bad stretch, it seems to compound itself... but when he's on, he is elite.

So... he could win you games on his own, or he could completely fold... The Leafs made the decision to walk away, as they just didn't know what they were going to get game by game, week by week.

 

[Notsince67]

what about him having these stats:
playoffs:
56% GF
59% xGF
5th best GA/60 on team with guys over 10min per game

So you are saying he is good defensively? Wow. He isn't a rookie. People have actually seen him play for years.

 

[Notsince67]

I like when people talk about production and goals, then get curb stomped with a fact, their first words are "well x player is sh** defensively" lol. He could have got 30 goals in a playoff run and some Joe Blow would come say , "Well herp derp he is sh** defensively".

Curb stomped? He would barely be the 5th best offensively gifted forward on the leafs. My am i feeling bruised that I pointed out he is so crap defensively, he would actually be bottom 3 in defensive talent. Totally over rating this guy. He is a mid level one way player

 

[Tairy Greene]

It depends if you think the Oilers were a contender last season. Jack isn't the kind of goalie that makes a non contender suddenly a contender.

 

[Mobiandi]

Last year was "their year" and they blew it, downhill from here on out...

Was it? They were probably the worst NHL conference finalist since 2012 Arizona

 

[Three On Zero]

Was it? They were probably the worst NHL conference finalist since 2012 Arizona

Calgary was a better match for Colorado, but Markstrom decided implode on a nuclear level.

Campbell is probably going to be the most talked about goalie this season. Coming from the hockey Mecca of Canada and going to a team that’s trying to prove they can play with the big teams

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Leafs fan.

Campbell has the talent, to be an elite goalie, and at times, he is.

Campbell also has some durability issues, but his biggest issue are his mental health struggles. He has moments where he, and his games struggles a great deal.



Campbell describes this time as difficult for his mental health and he felt unmotivated to play hockey.[22][23] He said he would "view myself in the mirror as like if I'm a good or bad person based on if I won or lost."[24]

Honestly, I don't know what you are going to get from Campbell. He's 30, 31 in January, are these challenges something he's going to overcome at that age?... he's a very likable guy, someone you want to see succeed. If he has a bad stretch, it seems to compound itself... but when he's on, he is elite.

So... he could win you games on his own, or he could completely fold... The Leafs made the decision to walk away, as they just didn't know what they were going to get game by game, week by week.

That's nothing that a great goalie coach can't fix.

 

[ALine]

Just because this now seems to be more about the leafs than oilers…
October-December Campbell’s record is more of a reflection of leafs strong two way play.
January through remainder of season, leafs continue on to 4th overall record,despite Campbells poor play(when he was actually healthy), due to leafs strong two way play.

Oilers are not a strong two way team.

 

[The Panther]

...going to a team that’s trying to prove they can play with the big teams

He wasn't doing that in Toronto?

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Was it? They were probably the worst NHL conference finalist since 2012 Arizona

And they still dismantled the Flames on the way.

 

[KyleDubasBoyGenius]

I like how in a thread not even about the Leafs, you still make it about how Leafs fans are always the victims.

Btw, your opinion about how Ceci and Barrie wouldn’t make it on 31 other teams is why people would lose their shit. Because it’s a shitty take.

If someone said something as asinine as that for the Leafs, you’d be one of the first ones screaming about Leaf haterz. Don’t be a hypocrite.

While I don't agree with it, that was a strong viewpoint of rival fans when they were Leafs. In a press conference Dubas simply defended Ceci's play and got ripped to shreds (He never even offered Ceci a contract and had no intentions of keeping him when he said this. He was protecting him). Rival fans thought he was such a moron for defending Ceci.
Also, I couldn't help but notice in the other most recent Oilers thread about a column regarding their cap, it became a Leafs bash fest for no reason.