Are the NJ Devils already collapsing?

[SteveCangialosi123]

I'm going to allow you to take the lead here, but you really should give me a little credit for predicting this.

He predicted that they’d continue to outshoot, outchance, and outplay opponents but forget how to score and make saves for a little stretch?

 

[Ianturnedbull]

He predicted that they’d continue to outshoot, outchance, and outplay opponents but forget how to score and make saves for a little stretch?

The short answer is: no.

*I* predicted they would "fold like a cheap suit".

 

[SJinNewJersey]

Wow...I completely forgot that Florida traded away their 1st round pick this year. For Ben freaking Chariot nonetheless. That's insane to trade away a completely unprotected 1st round pick in THIS draft.

Panthers are currently tied with Montreal and St. Louis for the 9th worse win percentage in the league. Now, I don't think the Panthers will continue to struggle this much the rest of the season and the odds of that pick being top 3 are very long, but....ooof. As for the playoffs, they still need to pass 4 teams to get into a wildcard spot. Wouldn't put it past last year's President Trophy winners, but they need to start making their move soon.
I was rooting for the Panthers in last year's playoffs. They were an exciting, largely home-grown team and Barkov is one of my favorite non-Devils players. I'm also not a fan of smaller market teams getting shit on as much as they do.

I understand being pissed at Barkov's injury, but you guys are out to lunch if you think it was intentional. Why would Nico intentionally injure him? The two of them don't have any history together that Nico would need to retaliate for nor does Nico have any history of being a dirty player. Was just an unfortunate play and I'm just glad that Barkov wasn't more seriously injured. But calling out a star player in Nico for not dropping the gloves against a bigger, more experienced fighter in Tkachuk is just ridiculous. He has nothing to gain and a whole lot to lose if he gets injured. If the situations were reversed, would you really want Barkov dropping the gloves with someone like Wood?

They also don't have their 1st rounders in 2024 and 2025.

 

[Prominence Problem]

as you invited us, i went there to educate myself and found some really intelligent posts.






you are totally right to be upset. devils shouldn't drag down the quality of your board.

Why am I being quoted on here? I never even posted on the main boards?

 

[John Mandalorian]

Why should Nico "have to answer for that" though? And particularly against a bigger, more experienced fighting in Tkachuk? Who the hell is making these rules? Where the hell is the logic in that?

Sucks that Barkov got injured, but it was an accident. Not like he threw an intentional elbow or anything, just an unfortunate play. No reason Nico should be expected to have to fight a bigger opponent and potentially get injured because some cavemen fans demand some type of "justice".

You don’t know that it was an accident. Yes, Hischier took the deny everything tactic but that doesn’t necessarily work. But let’s say it’s an accident, it was so reckless that it’s no better than if it’s an accident.

It’s understandable that you want for Nico to do the crime and not pay for it. But others aren’t going to agree.

 

[floridada]

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This is in Panthers GDT so STFU

I cant tell whats more embarrassing. That post or the NJ fan that didnt know subliterate was a real word.

 

[SJinNewJersey]

You don’t know that it was an accident. Yes, Hischier took the deny everything tactic but that doesn’t necessarily work. But let’s say it’s an accident, it was so reckless that it’s no better than if it’s an accident.

It’s understandable that you want for Nico to do the crime and not pay for it. But others aren’t going to agree.

And you don't know it was an intentional act to injure a player unless you can read minds. Hischier has 85 penalty minutes in well over 300 games, so he obviously doesn't have any history of playing dirty unlike POS players like Gudas and Tkachuk. It's too bad the swamp kitties and some of their fans don't have too much basic common sense.

 

[HBK27]

And Lundell high sticking was an accident. Why the hell he should answer to that? Exactly.

Are we gonna justify beating up a player every time he receives a minor?

You're moving the goalposts. I never said that Lundell should have to answer for the high sticking penalty. I wouldn't have had a problem if Haula got an instigator on that play. Meanwhile, you specifically said...

So injure the captain of the opposing team - when you have to answer to that - it's an assault, not part of the game

Get accidentally high sticked - go after the high sticker who doesn't want anything to do with fighting, most certainly did not accept the invite to dance, get roughed anyways - not an assault, part of the game

the f*** is this logic

So, why don't you try again and actually address a point I did make, not one that you imagined.

You don’t know that it was an accident. Yes, Hischier took the deny everything tactic but that doesn’t necessarily work. But let’s say it’s an accident, it was so reckless that it’s no better than if it’s an accident.

It’s understandable that you want for Nico to do the crime and not pay for it. But others aren’t going to agree.

This is Nico's 6th season in the NHL. Can you find just one other play in his career to suggest that he's a dirty player and would intentionally injure someone like this? Also, what is his motive for going after Barkov? Absolutely nothing in Nico's past would suggest this was intentional.

Before the prior game between these two teams, Nico was very complimentary of Barkov:



Why is it an automatic that Nico has to fight to "pay for it". And in particular, why should it be against a bigger, more experienced fighter? Why not someone his own size? He's been getting run at for 5 periods now - I guess that doesn't count though as "paying for it", right?

Going by your logic, I guess Dalpe now has to expect to have to take on someone that's got 15-20 pounds on him next game to "pay for it" after accidentally injuring Graves last night. Only fair, right?

 

[OKR]

Not much to talk about when your team is losing is there? Do you hear much out of Ducks, Jackets, or Sharks fans right now?

Yeah dude we were gonna brag about being bad with multiple first overalls on our roster, we were royally pissed at our team being bad.

They still play all the 82 games, there is quite a lot more that you can talk about besides just brag.

Also yeah, i’ve still saw lot more talk about all the other teams you mentioned than i did about Devils, that’s exactly why it has catched my eye.

 

[teugen]

You're moving the goalposts. I never said that Lundell should have to answer for the high sticking penalty. I wouldn't have had a problem if Haula got an instigator on that play. Meanwhile, you specifically said...



So, why don't you try again and actually address a point I did make, not one that you imagined.



This is Nico's 6th season in the NHL. Can you find just one other play in his career to suggest that he's a dirty player and would intentionally injure someone like this? Also, what is his motive for going after Barkov? Absolutely nothing in Nico's past would suggest this was intentional.

Before the prior game between these two teams, Nico was very complimentary of Barkov:



Why is it an automatic that Nico has to fight to "pay for it". And in particular, why should it be against a bigger, more experienced fighter? Why not someone his own size? He's been getting run at for 5 periods now - I guess that doesn't count though as "paying for it", right?

Going by your logic, I guess Dalpe now has to expect to have to take on someone that's got 15-20 pounds on him next game to "pay for it" after accidentally injuring Graves last night. Only fair, right?

You're moving the goalposts. I never said that Lundell should have to answer for the high sticking penalty. I wouldn't have had a problem if Haula got an instigator on that play. Meanwhile, you specifically said...



So, why don't you try again and actually address a point I did make, not one that you imagined.



This is Nico's 6th season in the NHL. Can you find just one other play in his career to suggest that he's a dirty player and would intentionally injure someone like this? Also, what is his motive for going after Barkov? Absolutely nothing in Nico's past would suggest this was intentional.

Before the prior game between these two teams, Nico was very complimentary of Barkov:



Why is it an automatic that Nico has to fight to "pay for it". And in particular, why should it be against a bigger, more experienced fighter? Why not someone his own size? He's been getting run at for 5 periods now - I guess that doesn't count though as "paying for it", right?

Going by your logic, I guess Dalpe now has to expect to have to take on someone that's got 15-20 pounds on him next game to "pay for it" after accidentally injuring Graves last night. Only fair, right?

So I'm the one who is moving the goal posts and you're literally the one who is taking one sentence out of the context and making it to seem like I said Nico was a dirty player. I'm trying to make you understand why Haula gets the benefit of doubt on a situation where the reasoning was exactly the same than on case Barkov. Or not even the same since Barkov got cross checked to the knee, which is a penalty, intentional or not and got injured on top of that. No penalty. Lundell commits a normal minor worthy play, gets the minor and Haula tries to beat the shit out of him for no f***ing reason and on top of that Lundell also gets the major from fighting for literally no reason. Things has been going more on your way.

Against Haula it was a perfectly normal high sticking play, which happen every game, literally every game, and many Devils fans are trying to justify Haula doing what he did, but are uppset about what Tkachuck did.

And what comes to Hischier getting roughed for five periods, Panthers were just playing hard against him, its not like they were trying to injure him. He has been receiving big hits, but hey, that really is a part of the game.

I call it double standards.

 

[barkovcanfinnish]

And what exactly is working so well for the Panthers right now? Maybe it’s not the coaches fault.

Not much. I personally put a lot of blame on Zito. He brought Maurice in who has been a disappointment so far, and failed to address the upcoming cap issues we were going to face. Had to play games with shortened roster many times this season. That’s unacceptable to me.

Bruno came in out of necessity and was good enough to keep us rolling last season, but couldn’t keep up when the playoffs rolled around. Zito had a long time to to think about coaches and his choice was underwhelming even back then. Now it’s looking even worse

 

[HBK27]

So I'm the one who is moving the goal posts and you're literally the one who is taking one sentence out of the context and making it to seem like I said Nico was a dirty player. I'm trying to make you understand why Haula gets the benefit of doubt on a situation where the reasoning was exactly the same than on case Barkov. Or not even the same since Barkov got cross checked to the knee, which is a penalty, intentional or not and got injured on top of that. No penalty. Lundell commits a normal minor worthy play, gets the minor and Haula tries to beat the shit out of him for no f***ing reason and on top of that Lundell also gets the major from fighting for literally no reason. Things has been going more on your way.

Against Haula it was a perfectly normal high sticking play, which happen every game, literally every game, and many Devils fans are trying to justify Haula doing what he did, but are uppset about what Tkachuck did.

And what comes to Hischier getting roughed for five periods, Panthers were just playing hard against him, its not like they were trying to injure him. He has been receiving big hits, but hey, that really is a part of the game.

I call it double standards.

Man, you're really, really struggling with this aren't you. Can you please point out where I made it seem like you said Nico was a dirty player? The comments I made in regards to Nico allegedly being a dirty player were replying to another poster that I had quoted. Are you really mixing up the comments I made towards you versus @Landeskog Calrissian??

As far as Haula vs. Lundell...what benefit of the doubt are you talking about? I already said I would've been fine with an instigator call there on Haula. It was a rough game at that point as both teams were going after each other and Lundell cross-checked Haula in the face as Haula was going in for a hit. Wasn't much of a fight either, so I'm not sure why you're being so overdramatic with the "tries to beat the shit out of him for no f'n reason" quote. Wasn't much of a fight anyway - Haula gives him plenty of time to square up, doesn't land any punches aside from his helmet and just wrestles him down.



If you're going to quote me and come after me - why not address what I'm actually saying, not "many Devils fans"? Again, if you wanted to give Haula and instigator or if he only got a roughly penalty to offset Lundell's penalty, I would've had no problem with it. Haula is also similar in size to Lundell (shorter, maybe 5 pounds heavier) and isn't much of a fighter either - it's only his 5th fighting major in 10 seasons. Doesn't compare to the size difference between Tkachuk and Nico. Nor did Haula keep throwing punches after things were broken up like Tkachuk did.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Any NJD fans concerned about the NYR?

 

[HBK27]

Any NJD fans concerned about the NYR?

No, why? Should we be?

We have enough concerns with our own team at the moment.

 

[teugen]

Man, you're really, really struggling with this aren't you. Can you please point out where I made it seem like you said Nico was a dirty player? The comments I made in regards to Nico allegedly being a dirty player were replying to another poster that I had quoted. Are you really mixing up the comments I made towards you versus @Landeskog Calrissian??

As far as Haula vs. Lundell...what benefit of the doubt are you talking about? I already said I would've been fine with an instigator call there on Haula. It was a rough game at that point as both teams were going after each other and Lundell cross-checked Haula in the face as Haula was going in for a hit. Wasn't much of a fight either, so I'm not sure why you're being so overdramatic with the "tries to beat the shit out of him for no f'n reason" quote. Wasn't much of a fight anyway - Haula gives him plenty of time to square up, doesn't land any punches aside from his helmet and just wrestles him down.



If you're going to quote me and come after me - why not address what I'm actually saying, not "many Devils fans"? Again, if you wanted to give Haula and instigator or if he only got a roughly penalty to offset Lundell's penalty, I would've had no problem with it. Haula is also similar in size to Lundell (shorter, maybe 5 pounds heavier) and isn't much of a fighter either - it's only his 5th fighting major in 10 seasons. Doesn't compare to the size difference between Tkachuk and Nico. Nor did Haula keep throwing punches after things were broken up like Tkachuk did.

Dude, I wasn't even originally talking to you and you slided in to that convo.

For the last time: Obviously Nico is not going to have a fist fight with the opposing team's goon. It doesnt make any sense and is not a part of any "hockey etiquette". If Barkov challenges him upon return and Nico doesnt answer the bell, then you have a case.

Tkachuk's douchebaggery was exceptional and his assault on a player / person not willing to engage is not acceptable. No wonder that Devils fans were upset. Hope they behaved well on the Panthers board.

This is what I was replying to originally and if you're willing to slide in to that convo, be prepared to talk about it. Pay attention.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

No, why? Should we be?

We have enough concerns with our own team at the moment.

Well...maybe. 7-2-1 in their last 10 vs NJD 3-5-2 in their last 10.

 

[TBF1972]

Quite a bit off-topic but ever since i joined this site, pretty much no Devils fans were posting anything, then came Hughes draft and few of them popped out of their hide. Followed by one hot start and all of sudden they were in everywhere talking about how great they’re and acting arrogant, like where were 80% of you when the team struggled?

Fun team to watch tho, and always had nice jerseys, hope they make it in the playoffs to kinda show that you can make it without playing exactly like others.

do you prefer the fan bases, who talk shit all the time? even when their team is clearly a bottom feeder? constantly overvalue their pieces in trade proposal, like a second liner on a lottery team would be a game changer for a title contender.

happy holidays. god bless you with some goal tending.

 

[HBK27]

Dude, I wasn't even originally talking to you and you slided in to that convo.

This is what I was replying to originally and if you're willing to slide in to that convo, be prepared to talk about it. Pay attention.

Great - yes that happens quite often here, being a message board and all. Not much one-to-one only conversation.

So, are you actually going to address any of the points I'm making or just complain?

 

[Combat Koala]

this f***ing thread...

 

[HBK27]

Well...maybe. 7-2-1 in their last 10 vs NJD 3-5-2 in their last 10.

Carolina is 9-0-1 and overtook us for the division lead.

Pittsburgh is 8-1-1 and on our heels.

Both better records in their past 10 games than the Rangers and closer to us in the standings.

So no, not concerned about them at the moment.

 

[TonySoprano]

Man watching Nico seal the game by stripping the p***y cat's number 1 overall pick like that to set up the empty netter, taking 2 defenders away to play it to the open man. Big time YIKES for Florida. BAD BAD Look

 

[Xirik]

Quite a bit off-topic but ever since i joined this site, pretty much no Devils fans were posting anything, then came Hughes draft and few of them popped out of their hide. Followed by one hot start and all of sudden they were in everywhere talking about how great they’re and acting arrogant, like where were 80% of you when the team struggled?

Fun team to watch tho, and always had nice jerseys, hope they make it in the playoffs to kinda show that you can make it without playing exactly like others.

I like how people make shit up to form a narrative. Devils fans weren't acting arrogant at all.

 

[Devilsfan118]

Man watching Nico seal the game by stripping the p***y cat's number 1 overall pick like that to set up the empty netter, taking 2 defenders away to play it to the open man. Big time YIKES for Florida. BAD BAD Look

Ekblad apparently finally found his calling in the NHL being a faux tough guy.

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

They'll end up 3rd in the Metro and lose to the Pens in the 1st round. Good learning year.

 

[Louskoolaid89]

Any NJD fans concerned about the NYR?

When we next play them on January 7th. Until then not really.