OT - NO POLITICS April edition - RIP Gordon Lightfoot

[LSCII]

So he gets away with at the very least manslaughter. I hope her family files a civil case against him. And wins.

That's not how it has ever worked on a movie set. There's a long line of precedent where they do not charge the actors because the weapons and ammunition is literally someone's job to keep straight. Happened with Brandon Lee, Vic Morrow, etc. They charge the armorer, and the production company gets sued in civil court, and pays out.

Not sure as it sounds like the prosecutor that resigned botched the investigation. Will be interesting to read the documents once filed as to why the charges were dropped

The DA that brought the chargers overreached and wanted to make an example, despite the long history of how things like this end up going. It's was dumb to have charged him to start with because he was going to beat the charge had they gone to trial. Which is why the new DA was like, yeah, nah.

 

[CDJ]

Comical that people want to call Baldwin a murderer. I think we all know why.

He’s an asshole but it has absolutely nothing to do with this case. If there’s something to be mad at him about it’s the voicemail he left his daughter years ago. He sure as shit isn’t a murderer or manslaughterer. The fact he was charged on this was purely a political stunt- this was hardly the first time something like this has happened on set and we already know what the precedent was. But he did an impression of a guy some ppl rly like so he should go to jail for murder lmao

The poor woman’s family should receive A LOT of money tho

 

[CamFan81]

Comical that people want to call Baldwin a murderer. I think we all know why.

He’s an asshole but it has absolutely nothing to do with this case.

This is a very interesting take... One that I absolutely agree with.

 

[Ddawg]

Lived in ABQ for about 25 years. State slogan is come on vacation, leave on probation.

 

[Alicat]

That's not how it has ever worked on a movie set. There's a long line of precedent where they do not charge the actors because the weapons and ammunition is literally someone's job to keep straight. Happened with Brandon Lee, Vic Morrow, etc. They charge the armorer, and the production company gets sued in civil court, and pays out.


The DA that brought the chargers overreached and wanted to make an example, despite the long history of how things like this end up going. It's was dumb to have charged him to start with because he was going to beat the charge had they gone to trial. Which is why the new DA was like, yeah, nah.

That's why I want to read the motion to dismiss. We should learn more about the prosecutorial overreach as they have to lay everything out for the court. I won't be shocked to see the court sanction the former prosecutor either.

 

[Gee Wally]

There are reports that after investigating that the gun used had been modified. In such a way that just cocking the hammer could make it go off without ever pulling the trigger.

Still a horrific situation. With many more questions to be answered.

But the modification is the main reason for change in/ dropping of charge.

 

[EverettMike]

There are reports that after investigating that the gun used had been modified. In such a way that just cocking the hammer could make it go off without ever pulling the trigger.

Still a horrific situation. With many more questions to be answered.

But the modification is the main reason for change in/ dropping of charge.

If that report is correct (and I believe it is) there is a zero percent chance any jury convicts him.

Even if he did pull the trigger, though, it's an absurd case. An actor is given what they're told is essentially a prop that is 100% safe and that there is not a live round in it. They trust the professionals whose sole job on set is to load them with blanks.

Like @CDJ said it's obvious why some want to call him a murderer, but I'd 100% be defending someone like James Woods under the exact same circumstances.

The better conversation to be had is WHY THE f*** ARE REAL GUNS ALLOWED WHEN FILMING. How did that not end after Brandon Lee's death? The director of the John Wick movies worked on The Crow and that's why he doesn't use real guns in his films. Have they ever suffered in anyway because of that?

If you can't use a fake prop gun don't use any gun in your movie. No weapon with the capability of killing someone should ever be used in any production.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

There are reports that after investigating that the gun used had been modified. In such a way that just cocking the hammer could make it go off without ever pulling the trigger.

Still a horrific situation. With many more questions to be answered.

But the modification is the main reason for change in/ dropping of charge.

I understand the legalities of it. Just that I grew up with hunting rifles and pistols in the household and my father teaching me gun control and also being taught in middle school that once it is in your hands, you are responsible for it. Memories of my father catching me on that after I saw him check the weapon before he gave it to me and then yell that I didn't check it myself.

 

[Ddawg]

I understand the legalities of it. Just that I grew up with hunting rifles and pistols in the household and my father teaching me gun control and also being taught in middle school that once it is in your hands, you are responsible for it. Memories of my father catching me on that after I saw him check the weapon before he gave it to me and then yell that I didn't check it myself.

Smart dad, wish they were all responsible like this.

 

[LSCII]

I understand the legalities of it. Just that I grew up with hunting rifles and pistols in the household and my father teaching me gun control and also being taught in middle school that once it is in your hands, you are responsible for it. Memories of my father catching me on that after I saw him check the weapon before he gave it to me and then yell that I didn't check it myself.

Sure but that’s a real life real world scenario. On a movie set they have specific protocols on who can and cannot check the weapons. Once it’s been cleared by the armorer or whomever is in charge of them, nobody is to touch it even to check. The actors should be with the armorer when they intually load and clear it but that doesn’t always happen because a lot of the actors are not gun people and have no experience with firearms.

That why like Mike said, it’s silly to even use real weapons on a set now. They can add in the special effects after to make it look real and nobody viewing the movie notices but everyone is far safer.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

Sure but that’s a real life real world scenario. On a movie set they have specific protocols on who can and cannot check the weapons. Once it’s been cleared by the armorer or whomever is in charge of them, nobody is to touch it even to check. The actors should be with the armorer when they intually load and clear it but that doesn’t always happen because a lot of the actors are not gun people and have no experience with firearms.

That why like Mike said, it’s silly to even use real weapons on a set now. They can add in the special effects after to make it look real and nobody viewing the movie notices but everyone is far safer.

Well in this case it was a real world scenario wasn't it? Someone died.

I agree they don't need real weapons on the set. They can CGI you and I flying over the TD Garden but they need real weapons?

The whole thing I find morbid about this whole thing is he is going back to continue filming the movie. Are they going to film that same scene again?

 

[Ladyfan]

So he gets away with at the very least manslaughter. I hope her family files a civil case against him. And wins.

They won't win.

This was the right decision.

They do need to look into why there were loaded guns (with real bullets) on set.

 

[Ladyfan]

My mom's funeral was today. I did pretty well until one of her favorite songs was sung by family friends of ours. And then came the waterworks.

We got a police escort through town to the cemetery on the naval base. For as much as I hate Pensacola traffic, one thing they are great at is pulling over for funerals. I mean they come to a complete stop even on the other side of a four lane highway. There was even a pedestrian who saluted.

Then when we got to the base entrance, the police escorts and the navy sentry guards all saluted. I know it's protocol but it still gives me chills.

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Sending a hug.

The music always kills me. My Mom played the organ at a church in Boxborough MA for 49 years. She retired at 80. She aways threatened to play Over the Rainbow for her last day and did. It was a beautiful rendition. The choir sang it at her memorial service and I lost it.

I am not very religious but always liked the Christmas Eve service at Mom's church. They sang many Christmas carols. At the end of the service everyone would get a candle and go outside to sing Silent Night and then quietly leave.

The first Christmas after she left us me and my sis went to the Christmas Eve service. The music killed me and I haven't been back. ....maybe someday I will try again.

 

[LSCII]

Well in this case it was a real world scenario wasn't it? Someone died.

I agree they don't need real weapons on the set. They can CGI you and I flying over the TD Garden but they need real weapons?

The whole thing I find morbid about this whole thing is he is going back to continue filming the movie. Are they going to film that same scene again?

They finished The Crow and The Twilight Zone movie as well despite on set tragedies. And really, they're only finishing the movie because they know they're going to have to pay out in civil cases, so they're trying to make some dough off it to cover that.

And again, its not a real world scenario despite the tragic accident. There never should have been a single live round on set, let alone in the gun they were filming a scene with. It's a work place accident.

 

[BMC]

I understand the legalities of it. Just that I grew up with hunting rifles and pistols in the household and my father teaching me gun control and also being taught in middle school that once it is in your hands, you are responsible for it. Memories of my father catching me on that after I saw him check the weapon before he gave it to me and then yell that I didn't check it myself.

Yup, my dad taught my sister and I how to handle firearms, we were about 10 years old. Prior to that woe be to us if we went anywhere near the gun cabinet and after that woe be to us if we didn't check the firearm ourselves, whether he checked it first or not, just like your dad. Every time I check a firearm I can hear my dad telling me safety first last and always (words to that effect).

 

[EverettMike]

They finished The Crow and The Twilight Zone movie as well despite on set tragedies. And really, they're only finishing the movie because they know they're going to have to pay out in civil cases, so they're trying to make some dough off it to cover that.

And again, its not a real world scenario despite the tragic accident. There never should have been a single live round on set, let alone in the gun they were filming a scene with. It's a work place accident.

 

[BMC]

That's not how it has ever worked on a movie set. There's a long line of precedent where they do not charge the actors because the weapons and ammunition is literally someone's job to keep straight. Happened with Brandon Lee, Vic Morrow, etc. They charge the armorer, and the production company gets sued in civil court, and pays out.


The DA that brought the chargers overreached and wanted to make an example, despite the long history of how things like this end up going. It's was dumb to have charged him to start with because he was going to beat the charge had they gone to trial. Which is why the new DA was like, yeah, nah.

Hmmm...I didn't know that about it being the production company's responsibility & not the performer's. Interesting.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

They finished The Crow and The Twilight Zone movie as well despite on set tragedies. And really, they're only finishing the movie because they know they're going to have to pay out in civil cases, so they're trying to make some dough off it to cover that.

And again, its not a real world scenario despite the tragic accident. There never should have been a single live round on set, let alone in the gun they were filming a scene with. It's a work place accident.

Any time a real weapon is introduced to an environment it is a real world scenario.

Either way I agree they don't need real weapons on a set of a movie.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

The Baldwin stuff is gross negligence on his part.

He broke the 1st 2 and most important rules of gun safety.

1. Assume every gun you handle is loaded
2. Never point a gun at anything you are not intending to kill

On top of that, this wasn't a tragic accident during filming like Brandon Lee. This was someone having no respect for a firearm and horsing around with it ultimately killing someone as a result.

And yes, gun safety is everyone's job not just the armorer. You're #1 job when handling any firearm is to do it safely. Period.

 

[LSCII]

The Baldwin stuff is gross negligence on his part.

He broke the 1st 2 and most important rules of gun safety.

1. Assume every gun you handle is loaded
2. Never point a gun at anything you are not intending to kill

On top of that, this wasn't a tragic accident during filming like Brandon Lee. This was someone having no respect for a firearm and horsing around with it ultimately killing someone as a result.

And yes, gun safety is everyone's job not just the armorer. You're #1 job when handling any firearm is to do it safely. Period.

Uh huh. Whatever you say. LOFL

 

[Therick67]

Actors play many roles they aren't experts on. They rely on people who are experts and paid to make things safe..

 

[EverettMike]

The Baldwin stuff is gross negligence on his part.

He broke the 1st 2 and most important rules of gun safety.

1. Assume every gun you handle is loaded
2. Never point a gun at anything you are not intending to kill

On top of that, this wasn't a tragic accident during filming like Brandon Lee. This was someone having no respect for a firearm and horsing around with it ultimately killing someone as a result.

And yes, gun safety is everyone's job not just the armorer. You're #1 job when handling any firearm is to do it safely. Period.

They were preparing for a shot and he was told to aim it at the camera. We now know the gun had been modified so it could fire without anyone pulling the trigger.

What "horsing around" do you think he actually did? Specifically, please.

 

[McGarnagle]

The overall negative impression of Alec Baldwin as being an insufferable douche colors the popular interpretation of the material facts and forensics of the case itself.

 

[jgatie]

There are reports that after investigating that the gun used had been modified. In such a way that just cocking the hammer could make it go off without ever pulling the trigger.

Still a horrific situation. With many more questions to be answered.

But the modification is the main reason for change in/ dropping of charge.

If it was, it was probably to facilitate "fanning" the hammer or "slip shooting", which is what you see in the old westerns when the gun is pulled and the opposite hand "fans" or whacks the hammer back repeatedly, firing rounds off very quickly. It's also nearly impossible to hit anything that way, and almost certainly is a product of Hollywood and/or the trick shooting exhibitions seen in Wild West shows.

If it was modified, it should never have been in the hands of a novice actor. Slip guns are seriously dangerous and slip guns loaded with live ammo are a tragedy waiting to happen.

 

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