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Confucius said:
I stated his best years have gone. Unless Mathews becomes the 1st player in history, nobody has scored more goals in their 2nd 8 years than the 1st.
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That's quite misleading though. The first 8 years for most players in history would stretch through prime into their late 20s, and the subsequent 8 years would stretch through their mid-30s. That doesn't mean that somebody cannot have a career year after the age of 25 though. Many players have done that - even more so when you consider more than just goals.
Also, for the record, the difference for Ovechkin is like 10 goals over ~600 games...
 
I've gone through hockey db rabbit holes before, looking up career's of players and was surprised at how many players had their best regular season + dissapointing playoffs, and how many times players had seemingly down seasons in the regular season, and then great playoff performances.
It's hard to apply trends to any single situation, but I've seen that enough that it doesn't worry me too much at this point, but would be worrying if it carries in to a bad playoff.
 
hamzarocks said:
At worst and at best he's been our 3rd best player

Marner and Nylander have been the two top guys easily

Matthews has been worse then Nylander thsi hear but hes so elite he could have a 20 game stretch and end up 2nd behind marner

Jt is for sure back if matthews this year
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Willy has had a great season, no doubt. Matthews is still producing at a pretty elite clip. Standing points above replacement has his on ice impact at the top of the team with Marner second and Willy 3rd. xSPAR has Marner on top, Matthews second and Willy 3rd.

I wouldn't be too concerned one way or another even if one doubts the numbers. Whereas AM impact has dropped, it has dropped far less than Willy's has improved this year. It's a team game and those 3 are the least of the leafs worries.
I would be far more concerned elsewhere
 
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Dudes been a beast since his draft year. He has the potential to score 25 goals in a calendar month. I suspect lingering injury, not worried at all.
 
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Dekes For Days said:
That's quite misleading though. The first 8 years for most players in history would stretch through prime into their late 20s, and the subsequent 8 years would stretch through their mid-30s. That doesn't mean that somebody cannot have a career year after the age of 25 though. Many players have done that - even more so when you consider more than just goals.
Also, for the record, the difference for Ovechkin is like 10 goals over ~600 games...
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So you agree he won’t score as many in his 2nd 8 years than he did in the 1st, 8. Gretz, didn’t, Ovi didn’t, Lemieux didn’t, Crosby didn’t, Jagr didnt, Stamkos didnt, Hull didnt, nobody did although surprisingly I think Marchand has a shot at it.

The point still remains if you pay 10.5 million per year for the 1st 500, how much for the next 8 if you know he isn’t scoring 500, even if he scores 499.
 
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Confucius said:
So you agree he won’t score as many in his 2nd 8 years than he did in the 1st, 8. Gretz, didn’t, Ovi didn’t, Lemieux didn’t, Crosby didn’t, Jagr didnt, Stamkos didnt, Hull didnt, nobody did although surprisingly I think Marchand has a shot at it. The point still remains if you pay 10.5 million per year for the 1st 500, how much for the next 8 if you know he isn’t scoring 500, even if he scores 499.
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He may or may not score more goals in years 9-16 than 1-8, but that's not really the point. Contracts are about more than just how many goals you're going to score, and you're certainly not better off with 0 goals instead of 499. And his best year very well could be ahead of him. He's not even done his first 8 yet.
 
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Dekes For Days said:
He may or may not score more goals in years 9-16 than 1-8, but that's not really the point. Contracts are about more than just how many goals you're going to score, and you're certainly not better off with 0 goals instead of 499. And his best year very well could be ahead of him. He's not even done his first 8 yet.
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We are talking about his next contract, so you are correct this year and next are part of this deal. Incidentally he will have had his best single scoring season by the end of next year. It’s a solid bet because that as well is a fact every high profile goal scorer’s best season happened sometime in their 1st 8. Expecting anything different is expecting an NHL 1st, which is very very unlikely.
 
Confucius said:
Incidentally he will have had his best single scoring season by the end of next year. It’s a solid bet because that as well is a fact every high profile goal scorer’s best season happened sometime in their 1st 8. Expecting anything different is expecting an NHL 1st, which is very very unlikely.
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Andreychuk's highest goal-scoring season wasn't in his first 8 years...
Sakic's highest goal-scoring season wasn't in his first 8 years...
Bobby Hull's highest goal-scoring season wasn't in his first 8 years...
Rick Nash's highest goal-scoring season wasn't in his first 8 years...
Tavares' highest goal-scoring season wasn't in his first 8 years...
Etc.

I mean, there's a decent chance that last year's 60 goals and 67 goal pace could be his peak goal-scoring, but otherwise certainly wouldn't be an NHL first, and either way it shouldn't discount what he could provide for us for many years to come.
 
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Weird to see people pretending like he looks anything like he did last year.

I love Matthews, and want to re-sign him at whatever it costs. He's still great this year but nothing like his past two years. If we sign him to the biggest contract in NHL history and this is the version we get, then yes, I am concerned.

The problem is that this year will not lower his asking price, because somebody will pay him.
 
Dangles McGavin said:
Weird to see people pretending like he looks anything like he did last year.

I love Matthews, and want to re-sign him at whatever it costs. He's still great this year but nothing like his past two years. If we sign him to the biggest contract in NHL history and this is the version we get, then yes, I am concerned.

The problem is that this year will not lower his asking price, because somebody will pay him.
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let someone else have him then.
 
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See the great Steve Yzermans career …
Check out his elite elite elite numbers before the wings starting winning cups and then check out his less impressive numbers when they started winning and turning that franchise around .
Also check out his playoff numbers as well ..
When he became a complete player , one of the all time greats , and sacrificed offensive individual stats and awards , for a complete dedication to a team game …
The Wings were great ..
So , let’s hope
GLG
 
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Teeder Keon said:
See the great Steve Yzermans career …
Check out his elite elite elite numbers before the wings starting winning cups and then check out his less impressive numbers when they started winning and turning that franchise around .
Also check out his playoff numbers as well ..
When he became a complete player , one of the all time greats , and sacrificed offensive individual stats and awards , for a complete dedication to a team game …
The Wings were great ..
So , let’s hope
GLG
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This is a REALLY BIG reach IMO my friend.

FTR I hope you're right.
 
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No question he has not looked remotely close to last year offensively, let’s hope he’s saving it for the playoffs
 
I think you try and find a big LW that can create time and space for Matthews. He’s F1, going in for puck retrieval. Not a whole lot of counter attacking for his line which is his bread and butter
 
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