Anyone else concerned about Matthews?

[Martin Skoula]

So your point is that nhl players are "different and unique" from each other. Fully agreed.

And the "difference" and "uniqueness" of the leafs core players that we are discussing are that they are MENTALLY WEAK AND FRAGILE!!!!!

If you're going to continue the argument of "But it's not their fault that they're mentally weak and fragile. People are different" then I'll counter with "Their flaws/weaknesses/fragilities aren't something we should just ignore and maybe we should shake things up and move on from some of the core".[/I]

Well we'd have to pay to dump them wouldn't we? What team in their right mind would trade for such DRAMATIC AND UNPRECEDENTED OVERPAYMENTS

 

[Notsince67]

Well we'd have to pay to dump them wouldn't we? What team in their right mind would trade for such DRAMATIC AND UNPRECEDENTED OVERPAYMENTS

I DEMAND CONSISTENCY DAMMIT!

 

[Gabriel426]

I'm not saying that. Just a criteria that some around here have imposed.

Also depends how that player played in the run to the Cup too.

 

[Martin Skoula]

I DEMAND CONSISTENCY DAMMIT!

I find this post UNACCEPTABLE. I. DO. NOT. ACCEPT. THIS. POST.

PERIOD.

 

[Notsince67]

I find this post UNACCEPTABLE. I. DO. NOT. ACCEPT. THIS. POST.

PERIOD.

ME EITHER! AND WHY IS MY MONITOR COVERED IN DROPLETS OF WATER?

 

[Notsince67]

Also depends how that player played in the run to the Cup too.

IF Pasta was a leaf, he would be accused around here of choking in the regular season for 2 years and not making the playoffs, choking in 2 first rounds, choking in 4 conference finals, and choking in the stanley cup final.
He would be branded an overall loser and a reason to break up the core

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Well we'd have to pay to dump them wouldn't we? What team in their right mind would trade for such DRAMATIC AND UNPRECEDENTED OVERPAYMENTS

They're all very player-friendly front-loaded contracts (which Dubas shockingly didn't use to lower aav) where poor teams could get these players for like 6-8 million in REAL money. Half the league cares more about real money than cap hits.

 

[Gabriel426]

IF Pasta was a leaf, he would be accused around here of choking in the regular season for 2 years and not making the playoffs, choking in 2 first rounds, choking in 4 conference finals, and choking in the stanley cup final.
He would be branded an overall loser and a reason to break up the core

Well if he is part of the Core and still put up his numbers. I don’t think there will be a lot of criticism due to his current contract.

His new contract is fair, but if he is a Leafs, the expectation of his new deal will be like 12mil, which is overpaid.
Kind of like AM, I can see him getting 13mil but I just can’t see him getting 14or higher at this point.
Once again, if he leads the Leafs and win the Cup and Conn Smythe, that’s another story.

 

[m1ker]

Absolutely I’m concerned. This guy goes to sleep in any tough game and feasts on weak teams. Matthews and bunting deserve to be on the third line.

 

[HolyCrap]

Podcasts have already confirmed he's been playing hurt.

I'm only concerned if this is the best he can do until surgery.

That’s bad news then.

 

[egd27]

He is getting paid unless he gives some back.

Let's see how much he values having 88 around, because he'll be the likely casualty if Matthews goes for the huge payday.

 

[Notsince67]

Let's see how much he values having 88 around, because he'll be the likely casualty if Matthews goes for the huge payday.

I doubt that. Losing Willy would be a disaster. Take away one of Matthews, Marner or Nylander and who is left 3 years from now?

 

[Niagara Bill]

Let's see how much he values having 88 around, because he'll be the likely casualty if Matthews goes for the huge payday.

WN is not a casualty, the Leafs are. WN is clearly a mercenary first and team player second. Trained well by papa. He lost one of his young Sweds this week. I expect he just leaves either as free agent or trade. $$$ first. How many teams did papa play for? 9?

 

[IPS]

I sometimes feel like a lot of people in leaf forum are bots designed to drive me crazy.

Lol you're not that special buddy, don't worry

 

[therealkoho]

Guru to the uneducated

Good answer

 

[egd27]

I doubt that. Losing Willy would be a disaster. Take away one of Matthews, Marner or Nylander and who is left 3 years from now?

I don't disagree, but If Matthews demands an excessive amount, someone else has to take less.

 

[therealkoho]

He’s not getting more than MacKinnon IMO. And if he’s not willing to be reasonable you can just trade him anyways, Marner is by far the better player and more consistent player. He is the guy we should be looking to keep as a lifelong leaf.

This

 

[egd27]

WN is not a casualty, the Leafs are. WN is clearly a mercenary first and team player second. Trained well by papa. He lost one of his young Sweds this week. I expect he just leaves either as free agent or trade. $$$ first. How many teams did papa play for? 9?

Certainly a reasonable opinion. My point was if AM refuses to "give back", then the Leafs will likely not be able to play in the 88 bidding.

 

[IPS]

Reminds me of Ovechkin in 2011. Ovi was the same age then as Matthews now and people were wondering if he was cooked. If I remember correctly Ovi was also playing through injuries and getting cortisone shots

Was a couple years in a row actually where Ovie was way below his normal standard.

He’s not getting more than MacKinnon IMO. And if he’s not willing to be reasonable you can just trade him anyways, Marner is by far the better player and more consistent player. He is the guy we should be looking to keep as a lifelong leaf.

Is that the train you all are jumping on now?

Lol guy was a 60-goal 2-way force last season and all it takes is one down year for everyone to start shitting on him. What a fickle fanbase, my god.

 

[BTP]

 

[hamzarocks]



Eh yo chill he hasn't fallen that low yet

 

[geo25]

Has a core player been told they are in play to be traded? Are they all sulking because of this? Dubas has free rein and nothing to lose and maybe very vindictive, bye WN.?

 

[ITM]

let someone else have him then.

At what price?

 

[geo25]

Interesting possibility? Dubas surely sees the writing on the wall dosent he?

Not in slightest .. he will be back to game shape soon







What does that really mean?

 

[geo25]

Interesting possibility? Dubas surely sees the writing on the wall dosent he?